Anyone used a grounding kit on their 24V engine?

[^Doogie]

I've been reading up on these lately and I really started to wonder if it would improve the response and performance of the 24V much. Anyone installed one?

http://vividracing.securesites...d=402

I've heard really good things about this mod on various other forums (various other cars) and I started wondering whether this would improve the throttle responsiveness of the 24V.

Anyone have an opinion? HPA? Eurosport? Care to chime in and/or do some tests?

[RHADZ71]

This is from before the VF:

Here's the thread with a bunch of info. Our local experience is, it doesn't work on the 1.8t but provides some benes to the VR - find out for yourself.


Modified by RHADZ71 at 10:54 PM 2-23-2004

[^Doogie]

bakersfield, this one's for you dude. An inexpensive mod that seems to have small but definite gains.

I'm still wondering about whether it'll improve responsiveness. From all the stuff I've read, this is what people jizz over the most. Sounds compelling for the 24V

(I know, I don't even belong in this forum any more but I can't pull myself away )

[VDUBNDizzy]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1054918

[salsanacho]

this is intriguing, just finished reading the whole 13 page thread over in the 1.8T forum. Anybody try this out yet and have pics for the 24V grounding points?

[bakersfield_gti]

i was just gonna say, screw buying it, just make it yourself.
i already have been talkin to a buddy who makes custom ones for hondas, he got a few hp out of it for his rsx. doogie knows im a poor bastard but need goodies.

rhad, can you put up a picture of yours so i can see where you put the manifold and central point at?

Modified by bakersfield_gti at 2:36 AM 1-26-2004

[salsanacho]

I thought the pics were for a 1.8T engine? yeah i knew that the dyno was done on a 24V, I just didn't want to go around strapping ground wires everywhere without having those points certain. Basically I was hoping for pics of each point to ground to, like they had for the 1.8T engine.

[^Doogie]

Quote, originally posted by bakersfield_gti »

doogie knows im a poor bastard but need goodies.

Actually I meant more that you're a handy bastard who likes to mess with stuff that ain't broke, but whatever explanation works for you

I just knew you'd be on this like white on rice. (and when I say rice I don't mean your buddy's RSX)

[bakersfield_gti]

i know your talking ish, but it dosent bother me for some reason.
wow, what a nice day it is.
just cuz its something to do, dont mean im always the one to do it.
i still havnt done the green temp sensor thing!

This topic was something i had been thinkin about for a while since one of my friends who makes these kits checked out my car and said i should try it to see if i got any gains like the honda fools do. If im not lazy like i always am, ill probably do it this weekend while i install my strut tower bar.

[dc_dnb]

perceived gains are to be had, but I haven't seen a dyno sheet to indicate anything yet and my car still isn't finished (the damn money tree won't be productive again for about a month)

If you're going to try this, don't waste money on a kit. Streetwires makes some nice 0/1AWG wiring and corresponding hex screw connectors that work out well. Most people use 4 or 8 AWG. I just had a pile of 0/1 to use.

Anyways, I'd do it for the "supposed" MPG gain.... spend at MAX $40.00 on this one.

[RHADZ71]

Quote, originally posted by dc_dnb »

perceived gains are to be had, but I haven't seen a dyno sheet to indicate anything yet

Did you miss the second post in this thread? Not much gain, but there is proven gain on the 24v VR6 right there.

[dc_dnb]

Quote, originally posted by RHADZ71 »

Did you miss the second post in this thread? Not much gain, but there is proven gain on the 24v VR6 right there.

yeah, I can read but since I don't know the dyno, the car, the place, or the weather I wouldn't bet anything on it, which is why I said that I hadn't seen a dyno sheet to indicate that. scanned sheets don't count unless I know the above variables.

[bakersfield_gti]

I read all 13 pages of that topic and i know exactly what to do now
haha took me forever to read that ish!

Quote, originally posted by bakersfield_gti »

i was just gonna say, screw buying it, just make it yourself.

Quote, originally posted by dc_dnb »

If you're going to try this, don't waste money on a kit. Streetwires makes some nice 0/1AWG wiring and corresponding hex screw connectors that work out well. Most people use 4 or 8 AWG. I just had a pile of 0/1 to use.

[RHADZ71]

Quote, originally posted by dc_dnb »

yeah, I can read but since I don't know the dyno, the car, the place, or the weather I wouldn't bet anything on it, which is why I said that I hadn't seen a dyno sheet to indicate that. scanned sheets don't count unless I know the above variables.

Are you serious? ~5 WHP and ~5 TQ is what it is regardless of specifics but, whatever, here are your specifics:
DynoJet
03.5 GLI
Mesa AZ (approx 2000 ft above sea level)
100 GD degrees in the shade
91 Octane fuel
run 1 is EVO CAI and Milltek Exhaust
run 2 is with Hyper ground kit
and run 3 is in 4th gear.

So there you go, sh!tty gas, sh!tty weather (for dyno runs) and it still shows obvious gains for a bunch of wires daisy-chained across your engine bay - not too damn bad. Anything else?

[bakersfield_gti]

dude, post a picture of your ground setup, please

[scooter4N]

can someone post actual pics of VR6 24V grounding job? I was working on my and got little lost
Thanks

[RHADZ71]

Here you go (5 wires 6 points of contact across the engine bay):
#1 point chassis (under the battery basically) to #2 battery neg post
#2 point battery neg post to #3 block (central point)

#3 central point to #4 standard neg ground (you'll see it down there when you look

#3 central point to #5 throttle body (that's right, three lines off the central point - make it happen)
#5 throttle body to #6 chassis (fender worked too, just test out different points if you can)

Ultimately:





Modified by RHADZ71 at 4:36 AM 1-27-2004

[^Doogie]

Quote, originally posted by bakersfield_gti »

i know your talking ish, but it dosent bother me for some reason. wow, what a nice day it is. just cuz its something to do, dont mean im always the one to do it. i still havnt done the green temp sensor thing!

Haha you know I love ya dog

I just miss my baby a little so I'm gonna start modding vicariously through you You seem like you have the cojones (sp?) to do just about anything.

[scooter4N]

thanks

[bakersfield_gti]

its all good. I give you props for not getting a lemming car like a evo or a neon.

i was checkin out the g35's at the LA auto show, it would be hard for me to miss my GTI with one of them cars.

i have the juevos but not the feds. If i had the cash id probably already have a turbo kit on the beyach. Basicaly im willing to try anything that will help performance. I have very few cosmetic mods.

<terance & philip>CHEERS!</terance & philip>

THANKS FOR THE PICS RHAD

[salsanacho]

awesome, thanks

[fojettabowit]

I love that last pic were the supercharger is circled. I need one of those babies badly!!

[OptimusGlen]

anyone know if this will do anything for the 12v VR6?

[bakersfield_gti]

dosent hurt to try. just give it a go and see if it helps.
if you read, its not always a for sure thing.
you have to try it to see if it will work.

[^Doogie]

So bakersfield... you do it yet? Anyone?

[bakersfield_gti]

i have to wait till next weekend, i didnt get paid this week.

[awwsheeet]

we developed a grounding kit custom measured for a vr6. in 1.8t it provides less surging and 20-30 miles per tank extra. we have the kit ready but havent brought it to the dyno yet. the 24valve mk4 kits give 5 hp and 7 tq thats at stock.....maybe more with more mods! not bad for a 100 mod.
if anyone is interested well send you a custom kit measured out for whatever car and engine you have. no universal kits and if your in LI nyc area your welcome to get a free ride in kitted cars (wrx, 1.8t and 24vavles) and if you go with a kit free installation.

hit me up if yoru interested.

kit is 100% copper oxy free automotive grade 4 gauge wire (thicker than all other brand name kits), custom measured so it looks stock. 24k connectors and 100% guarenteed to satisfy.

--eric
ericeng3000@hotmail.com

[gef73]

how much for a 24v vr6 kit?

[bakersfield_gti]

i think he said 100 bucks.

[awwsheeet]

yeah its 100 shipped even if you paypal

[bakersfield_gti]

how about $30 shipped?

[awwsheeet]

im sorry currently the kit is for sale at 100$ its 4 guage and has 24k gold connectors. you homemade kit would be less money if you go that route but thats up to you

[Strider]

Hmm well lets see some Dyno plots and someone go get a ride in that hog!!

[oddy]

I'll take you up on that ride.. I live in PA but may be able to come up one day

anyone else that lives around me wanna join for the road trip?

[gef73]

any pics of the kit?