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    Thread: r32 vs. wrx

    1. 01-30-2004 02:01 PM #1
      i know there has been a lot of discussion on the r32 vs. the wrx sti and evo, but how does it match up with a regular wrx, which is supposed to run 0-60 in 5.4 sec.? (Sorry if this has been discussed before. I did a search and didn't find anything.)

    2. 01-30-2004 04:49 PM #2
      Search is your friend.

    3. 01-30-2004 04:53 PM #3
      Hahaha, the regular WRX running 0-60 in 5.4? I dont think so. WRX is the most overrated car on the planet. The STI is a true performer but the regular WRX is not the STI.

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      01-30-2004 04:57 PM #4
      I test drove a WRX before I leased my A4. This is when I had my GTI VR6. I was so dissapointed with the WRX. It didn't feel as fast as I thought it would bel. The WRX handled great but was so cheap looking on the inside. I prefered the VR6 engine. This was a 12V VR6 that I had.
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    5. 01-30-2004 05:01 PM #5
      i just based 0-60 in 5.4 sec on some numbers i saw in car and driver's test of the car. are these way off?

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      01-30-2004 05:48 PM #6
      Same here I test drove the WRX before getting my GTI

    7. 01-30-2004 06:00 PM #7
      I have two cars that run 0-60 in the high 4s and low 5s. I test drove a WRX and there is NO WAY that the WRX will post a 5.4 I might believe 6.4

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      01-30-2004 06:06 PM #8
      Quote, originally posted by GelbM3 »
      I have two cars that run 0-60 in the high 4s and low 5s. I test drove a WRX and there is NO WAY that the WRX will post a 5.4 I might believe 6.4

      What is the weight difference between a 01 s4 and 01 wrx. The s4 has a little more hp and torque but is a mid 5 sec to 60 car. So why can't the 227 hp wrx be a mid 5 sec to 60 car???
      I owned both cars and although I never timed them to 60 they seemed very close.
      The downside to the wrx is HORRIBLE interior quality.
      Did you test drive a brand new wrx or one that was broken in?

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      01-30-2004 09:58 PM #9
      It's not that the WRX can't do it in 5.4 seconds. It's that it can't do it
      more than a few times before blowing up the transmission. Car & Driver's technique for
      getting mid 5's out of the WRX is to rev it up to 5000+ rpms, and drop the clutch.
      They're counting on enough to wheelspin at the launch to avoid fragging the tranny
      or smoking the clutch. If you launch it like a sane person, figure low 6's.
      Two of my friend's have WRX's and one of them loaned me his for a couple
      days, for of allthings, a VW enthusiasts drive (the drive belt on my supercharger had given up
      the day before). So I got to drive his WRX with a whole bunch of other
      Vdubs on the open highway and on various twisty mountain roads. The
      overwhelming thought that kept running through my head throughout the day was
      "Holy Turbo Lag Batman!!"
      Now admittedly, we're a mile above sea level here so that creates
      both more turbo lag and later onset. That means, if you're driving
      a twisty road and brake into a corner in 3rd gear and let the revs
      drop below 3500 rpms, and then hit the gas again midcorner to
      get going again.. *nothing* happens. I mean, it's disconcerting how
      little power there is. Now going uphill this isn't a big deal because
      you tend to row through the gears more to get some power
      as the car is always wanting to slow down and powering out of corners
      going uphill is fun and engaging. But downhill it's really
      weird. I just want to cruise into the turn light on the brakes, hit
      the gas and pull out of it nice and smooth. Instead, with the WRX I had
      to keep it on the boil all the time, even doing downhill, and
      of course that then means I was shifting and braking twice as much too.
      I also noticed there's almost no backpressure on the engine when
      you get off the gas so you can't slow down or adjust your line
      with the throttle. This means, you're braking to slow down,
      downshifting to keep the revs above 3500 rpms, and then having
      to get back on the gas quickly to make any headway out of the corners
      before the turbo slows down. If you want to go balls to the wall
      all the time, it'll do it. It's not relaxing or fun to drive at a moderate pace.
      Now I've heard that at sea level it's not this bad. The cutoff between
      no power and power is at about 3000 rpms instead of 3500 rpms, but
      I'd still find that annoying. The R32 by comparison makes
      peak torque at only 2800 rpms. Hit the gas, and *bang* you've
      got torque, right now.
      Ok, so how'd it stack up against the other dubs in the group I was driving with?
      Against a stock 1.8t, it was faster, but not by much.
      Against a chipped 1.8t, it was faster off the line (if launched properly)
      but slower on the highway at high 75+ mph speeds.
      Against a chipped VR6 at this altitude, it's faster (the VR6 is down 30hp here).
      I've heard that a chipped VR6 will hang with a stock WRX at sea level in a
      3rd-4th gear pull.
      Against a supercharged VR6 like my own.. beats it off the line
      but gets walked badly on the highway. The WRX suffers from huge drivetrain
      loss, and its 4th gear is too short, and 5th gear too tall so it always
      seems to get slaughtered on the highway.
      In the handling department the WRX didn't inspire me. It's comfortable over
      the rough stuff, but has lots of body roll, and while the AWD pulls the front around
      if you're in the meat of the torque, otherwise it shows moderate understeer
      when driven at only 7/10ths.
      The sound? What sound? My WRX friend always comments on how
      much he loves the sound of my VR6 whenever I let him drive it, which I do
      fairly often, just to rub it in. He gets back in his WRX and it's "blub blub blub"..
      totally uninspiring.
      Interior.. very basic and functional. Great steering wheel (but the R32 has a nice wheel too)
      seats are supportive but nothing like the Konigs. Doors close with a horrible tinny
      rattle, especially if the windows are rolled down. The interior look doesn't matter
      as much to me as how much road/suspension noise intrudes, and the WRX
      is pretty noisy (more road noise than engine/exhaust noise), compared to my Mk3 GTI-VR6
      and I'm sure the R32 will be quieter still.
      ian

    10. 01-30-2004 09:59 PM #10
      It's not that the car can't post those times, but what they did to get those times...
      The WRX was launched at a 5000 rpm clutch drop... good for acceleration numbers, bad for a car...
      I raced one in my stock 1.8T with him starting behind me so AWD launch wasn't a factor..(if he was faster, he would pull me and/or pass me) he wasn't faster in fact i pulled him...take it for what it is worth...

    11. 01-30-2004 11:08 PM #11
      Quote, originally posted by g60rabbit »
      What is the weight difference between a 01 s4 and 01 wrx. The s4 has a little more hp and torque but is a mid 5 sec to 60 car. So why can't the 227 hp wrx be a mid 5 sec to 60 car???
      I owned both cars and although I never timed them to 60 they seemed very close.
      The downside to the wrx is HORRIBLE interior quality.
      Did you test drive a brand new wrx or one that was broken in?

      I have test driven two WRX's. Both were new. One was about 2 years ago, the second was last fall. They both felt heavy and the turbo "boost" seemed slow and over quickly (nothing much before 3500 RPM and it was all over at 5500 RPM). Quite honestly, they felt maybe a half second faster than my '99 GTI.
      To convince myself that my sense was "about right", I just did a simple linear regression on 0-60 times vs HP & TQ to weight ratios for a half dozen cars where I knew the HP, TQ, weight and 0-60 times. Assuming that an AWD looses 25% in the driveline while a FWD or RWD looses 15%, my calcs tell me that a WRX should run about 5.9 to 6.0 and is a bit faster (0.2 to 0.3 sec) than a 1.8T GTI, and about the same as a 24V VR6 (the WRX is approx 300 lbs heavier than a 1.8T and 200 lbs heavier than a VR6, and, per my driveline assumption, has larger driveline loses). Using the same regression, the WRX should be about 0.5 sec faster than my '99 12V VR6. The time vs TQ/wt (compared to the time vs HP/wt) curve fit is statistically better as one would expect. I am ignoring gearing, HP profiles, TQ profiles, tires, who's driving, how they are driving, etc. But it feels about right.

    12. 01-30-2004 11:19 PM #12
      No comparison. The WRX is a cheap piece of poo. DRive both and you will know why the R32 cost more. DOnt worry about the numbers. both cars will have similar performance that only a true pro could eek out the differences. My guess it the R32 would overtake the WRX at some point and keep ahead all the way till redline. If thats your thing. The STI, pure performance for the buck. IF you are considering spending 30k for the R32, than forget the regular WRX, look at the STI. compare the two 30k cars, not the 30k and 25k cars.
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    13. 01-31-2004 10:57 AM #13
      If there's one thing I hate in a turbo car, it's BAAAAD turbo lag.
      That is what the WRX has... big... BAAAAAAD lag.
      Off topic: Anyone know off the top of their heads what turbo Subaru is using for this car? I'm sure the Disco Potato would be a nice matchup for the WRX engine, if it fits. I might try to find a cheap WRX for my next company car, as my wife thinks we're total dorks for having two Jettas currently, and I want a used 337/20AE for my next work car. But, my first mod would be trying to get the GT28RS in there to reduce the lag.

    14. 01-31-2004 12:22 PM #14
      funny....I have a friend( in sales) at a rather large local Suburu dealer....
      he tells me that there replacing transmissions/drivelines/all wheel drive components at an alarming rate on WRX's..
      I've always suspected that it's a tin can with a large engine...after driving one for a few hours...I realized that I was correct....
      The WRX can't hold a candle to an R-32...I'd hate to try and buy a WRX used...

    15. 01-31-2004 06:19 PM #15
      You guys need to pull your heads outta your butts. I'm sure the R32 is a nice luxurious car but it's in the $30,000 class and compared to the competition it's performance is lacking. A stock Evolution or STi would eat the R32 any day, let's compare our numbers!
      Evolution: 271HP 3263lbs $30k
      STi: 300HP 3263lbs $30k
      R32: 240HP 3409lbs $30k
      WRX: 227HP 3100lbs $25k
      Heck, throw a turbo-back exhaust and a tunable computer on a base WRX and it'll probably be faster than the R32! The R32 weighs more than the competition and has less power than the $30k competition. At least you guys will like your interior! Too bad you'll be laughed upon from the outside when you get smoked by something like a Subaru or a Mitsubishi or maybe even a stock Mustang GT.

    16. 01-31-2004 06:27 PM #16
      Homo.

    17. 01-31-2004 06:30 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by N2N »
      Homo.

      Now is that any way to treat the Noob?
      DaVidJ 1) welcome to Vortex.
      2) we are sick and tired of explaining why we want an R32...search for this very subject and you will see why....it isn't just about the performance, if it was $30K would go a long way to making an aircooled Beetle in a Monster...

    18. 01-31-2004 06:33 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by N2N »
      Homo.

      HEY LOOK AT ME, I'm mad because someone shoved the facts in my face and I can't think of a better way to respond! What an intelligent way to represent the VW community.

    19. 01-31-2004 06:36 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by gizmopop »
      Now is that any way to treat the Noob?
      DaVidJ 1) welcome to Vortex.
      2) we are sick and tired of explaining why we want an R32...search for this very subject and you will see why....it isn't just about the performance, if it was $30K would go a long way to making an aircooled Beetle in a Monster...

      Seems like the people around here ARE concerned with performance with all this talk of 0-60 times.

    20. 01-31-2004 06:46 PM #20
      Everyone forgets, too, that the WRX was released in late 2001/early 2002. What other car at the time had the same performance/fun per dollar value as the WRX?
      None.
      That's why it was so critically acclaimed, and that's why tons of people got them. It's not a bad car - it's just that the competition has finally brought over some competition and the WRX isn't so blatantly wonderful. It's even mediocre now, 2 years later.
      It's not meant to compete with an R32 - debating it is pretty fruitless, ESPECIALLY in a VW forum.

    21. 01-31-2004 06:51 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by davidj »
      Seems like the people around here ARE concerned with performance with all this talk of 0-60 times.
      I didin't say I( or aynone else in here) was not interested in performance, I just said it wasn't the only part of the equation..
      If i had $30K and all I was looking for was uncompromised performance, then the STI, EVO, would be high on the list. Thats not the case for me, VW's are damn good all arounders and this one competes fine with the rest of the cars in that price range ie the STi Evo and R32 aren't the only cars in this price range.

    22. 01-31-2004 07:58 PM #22
      this is foolish!!! If anyone had any experiance with a wrx they would knw that the way to luanch is simply rev to about 4-4.5 and feather quickly without burning, (if u drive the car more than once this is easy to learn) by doing this a stock rex will easily pull 0-60's in the mid 5 sec range. much faster than a R32, which seems a little under powered any ways. I have driven several 03 1.8t's and love the cars, however they are not as fast as a rex. although the turbo does spool up nicely by about 2 grand it seems, they just dont have the power. they do have a great modding potential and i have seen may nicely modded 1.8s. they just dont have the pull or power a rex has off the line, and as far as interior quality/style, doesnt any one think the buyer off the rex knws what its like when they are buyingit and its not a factor for them? even though the seats are great and the momo wheel is much better lookin than the vw

    23. 01-31-2004 08:34 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by blk04 »
      this is foolish!!! If anyone had any experiance with a wrx they would knw that the way to luanch is simply rev to about 4-4.5 and feather quickly without burning, (if u drive the car more than once this is easy to learn) by doing this a stock rex will easily pull 0-60's in the mid 5 sec range. much faster than a R32, which seems a little under powered any ways.

      I don't care how well you "feather," your stock tranny will quickly die doing this, but at least you can brag about your mid 5 sec run. I'll make sure and wave at you in your rental, while your 5 second "rex" is in the shop....
      Quote, originally posted by blk04 »
      and as far as interior quality/style, doesnt any one think the buyer off the rex knws what its like when they are buyingit and its not a factor for them? even though the seats are great and the momo wheel is much better lookin than the vw

      you're probably one of those guys that has every decal of every product you own on your car, and even the products your don't own...

    24. 01-31-2004 09:54 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by davidj »
      You guys need to pull your heads outta your butts. I'm sure the R32 is a nice luxurious car but it's in the $30,000 class and compared to the competition it's performance is lacking. A stock Evolution or STi would eat the R32 any day, let's compare our numbers!
      Evolution: 271HP 3263lbs $30k
      STi: 300HP 3263lbs $30k
      R32: 240HP 3409lbs $30k
      WRX: 227HP 3100lbs $25k
      Heck, throw a turbo-back exhaust and a tunable computer on a base WRX and it'll probably be faster than the R32! The R32 weighs more than the competition and has less power than the $30k competition. At least you guys will like your interior! Too bad you'll be laughed upon from the outside when you get smoked by something like a Subaru or a Mitsubishi or maybe even a stock Mustang GT.

      If performance was all that mattered, I would buy a Neon that would hand a wrx it’s a$$. Do a search because this topic is tired.

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      01-31-2004 10:13 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by davidj »
      You guys need to pull your heads outta your butts. I'm sure the R32 is a nice luxurious car but it's in the $30,000 class and compared to the competition it's performance is lacking. A stock Evolution or STi would eat the R32 any day, let's compare our numbers!
      Evolution: 271HP 3263lbs $30k
      STi: 300HP 3263lbs $30k
      R32: 240HP 3409lbs $30k
      WRX: 227HP 3100lbs $25k
      Heck, throw a turbo-back exhaust and a tunable computer on a base WRX and it'll probably be faster than the R32! The R32 weighs more than the competition and has less power than the $30k competition. At least you guys will like your interior! Too bad you'll be laughed upon from the outside when you get smoked by something like a Subaru or a Mitsubishi or maybe even a stock Mustang GT.

      You have to compare cars in all areas...not just 0-60 and 1/4 mile. People need to stop wetting their pants about 0-60 times. It's getting pathetic.
      As an overall performer that you can also have as a very comfortable daily commuter and not look like a stunt driver for 2F2F, the R32 is an excellent blend. Given the added equipment, it's a fairly priced car considering it's base price as a regular VR6.

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