The Official A1 16V post.

**vdubspeed** · 02-21-2004 11:25 PM

Welcome to the A1 16V post. Below you will find helpful links, websites, owners and diagrams in bold. Please IM me if you currently own an A1 16V so that I may add you to the list of owners. Good luck...

Carb Links : (please help by submitting more!)
16v on carbs or injection?
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2523688
IT RUNS!! 16v carbed cabriolet
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2564346
How to??? question. I bought a 84 carbed rabbit 1.6l, want to put a 16v carbed
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2565710

INTERNATIONAL THREADS(for you guys across the pond)
Club GTI thread: 1.3 8v Carb > 1.8 16v K-Jet
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/f...84244

WEBSITES:
http://www.scirocco16v.com/tech_index.htm
http://www.volkswagen.org-look under engine swaps
http://www.gti16v.org
Note: The link below is a PDF file of this thread. You need Adobe Acrobat to view it.
http://www.water-werks-ct.com/...o.pdf

OWNERS:in alpha then numeric order
A1 Kohlic - 77 Rabbit - 2.0 16V on digi 2
A1_Lover - 84 GLI - 2.0 16V from a Passat
A1pocketrocket - 81 Rabbit - 1.8 16V on CIS-E
A1sixteenV - 84 Rabbit - 1.8 16V from a rocco
ADIDAS16vGTI - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V w/ CIS-Motronic from a passat
ANDROID184 - 91 Cabby - 1.8 16V.
Armour - 83 GTI - 1.8 16V running CIS-E
Audioslave33 - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V using CIS-E from a rocco
AZWabbit - 84 GTI - 2.0(9A/PL combo) 16V using CIS lambda
BBPeik - 83 GTI - 2.0 passat block and 1.8 head with Rocco CIS-E.
BFDeihl - 81 Caddy - 2.0 CIS-M with many mods. 150whp+!
bfgr13 - 79 Rocco - 1.8 16v running on CIS-E
blubayou - 81 Rabbit - 1.8 16V with CIS-E
BoiseMK1GTI - 84 GTI - ABA-16vT, t3s60,MSnS, tons of goodies
Brianjk - 84 Rabbit - 2.0 16V using CIS-motronic(KE) in stock rabbit location
caddy80 - 80 Caddy - 2.0 Passat w/Scirocco manifold/fuel system
Captain16vGTI - 84 GTI - 1.8 PL running Megasquirt-n-Spark-E
cjmiller - 81 Rocco - 2.0 16V with basic CIS and a knockbox ignition
Crash-N-Burn - 83 GTI - 2.1 16V with rabbit CIS
Crazy Hungarian - 83 Jetta Coupe - 92 GTI 16V/cis-motronic
crisper - 80 Cabby - 1.8 16V on CIS-E
crnacnac - 80 Caddy - 2.0 16V on CIS-E
DarrenW - 83 Golf GTI(british) - 1.8 16V w/ CIS
DEWEED - 78 Rabbit C - Rocco 16V on digi 1
diddle. - caddy - bored/stroked 2.1L 16V on euro CIS
digga_b - 84 GLI - 1.8 16V/CIS-E
Dion165 - 84 GTI - 16V
dixonL2 - 84 Cabby - 88 Rocco 1.8 16V with all accessories.
dmitry88 - 81 Jetta couple - 2.0 16V
DUB-YAH - 81 Rabbit - 1.8 16V and other goodies from a Rocco
ericb49 - 84 Cabby - 2L 16V (PL Head 3A block 9A internals) running CIS-Motronic
euroreflexgti - 80 Rabbit - 1.8 16V from a 88 Rocco
fahrvegnugen - 81 Caddy - 2.0 16V motronic
fein1 - 77 rabbit - 16V
flytech78 - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V
furious GTI - 81 Caddy - 2.0 16V on digi 2
golftdibrad - 87 Cabby - 1.8 16V running CIS and a knockbox
GTI 2.0 - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V on dual 45 DCOEs
GTI aficionado - 84 GTI - 1.8 16V running on CIS-E AND has a/c
GTiRacer53 - 83 GTI - 1.8 16V from a rocco with CIS-E
GTiRacer53 - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V from a passat with CIS-E
GTrabbIt - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V Soupapes on CIS-E
GT16vZa - A1 GT - 1.8 16V on CIS.
grayfox - 82 Rocco - 1.8L 16V
g60vw - 83 gti - 2067cc 16V on digi 1.
hoodride6 - 80 Caddy - 16V
Hotrodjrod - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V running on ITBs and megasquirt standalone
i8yorcat - 79 Rabbit - 2.0 16V running on basic CIS
i8yorcat - 83 Caddy - 2.0 16V running on CIS-E
janzenvw - 84 GLI - 1.8 16V
jazzman59 - 80 GTI - 16V running dual DCOE 45 Webers
jbrownvr6 - 84 GTI - ABA/16V on V2.1 megasquirt
jcadcars - 77 Rabbit - 1.8 16V and CIS-E from a rocco
Je2tta - 84 Rabbit - 1.8 16V from an 87 GLI using rocco I/E/and wiring
jettaboy_gtx - 81 Rabbit - 2.0 16V/CE2/Motronic all from a 91 Jetta GTX
JNXtheband - 84 GTI - 1.8 16V
jonbaby420 - 77 Rabbit - 1.8 16V running on Bosch motronic
jonny_breakz - der hauler - featuring a 2.0 16V on scirocco CIS-E.
justvwpower - 81 Golf(rhd) - 16V
kpgli84 - 84 GLI - 2.0 block/1.8 16V head running on digi 1
kompressorgolf - 78 Rabbit - ABA 16V on SDS
KTOOLNIN - 84 Jetta - 2.0 16V running CIS-E
KUHLDUB - 81 Caddy - everything from a 88 GTI
kweetech - 78 Rabbit - 2.0 16V on Euro CIS
lil' Stumpy - 83 Coupe - 2.0 16V and CIS-M from a Passat
mad caddy16v - 80 Caddy - 2.0 16V runnin euro CIS with goodies
marat_g60 - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V running rocco injection
matthewxXx7 - 84 GTI - 1.8 16V from a rocco.
Matt@EMW - 81 Caddy - 1.8 16V on CIS-E
mnrthreat86 - 84 GTI - waiting on info
mytruckisblue - 81 Caddy - 1.8L 16 with CIS-M
niterider03 - 83 Caddy - 2.0 16V and 12:1 comp
NTRabbit - 84 GTI - Passat 2.0 with Scirocco CIS-E
n75 - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V with Rocco CIS-E
omra108 - 84 GTI - 1.8 16V running Rocco CIS-E
OnTheRunDCI - Rabbit - 2.0 16V running dual webber 45s, MSD, cams etc..
pocketrocket84gti - 84 GTI - 1.8 16V w/ digi 1.
PoorHouse - 77 Rabbit - 2.1 16V on CIS-E
Rabbitgti1984 - GTI - 2.0 16V from a passat with CIS-E injection
rabbitGTI 16v - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V with CIS-motronic
Rabbithunter - 84 Cabby - 2.0 16V from a Passat runnin on CIS-Motronic
rabbot16v - 81 Rabbit - 2035cc 16V - xkromx, TSM ITBs, TTT, megasquirt etc
Richago - 88 Cabby - 2.0 16V on CIS-Motronic
RiseAbove - 83 GTI - 1.8 16V from an 87 Golf GTI
ROC DOC - 80 Rocco - 1.8 PL 16V..soon to be a 9A
rs4-380 - 83 Rabbit L - 2.0 16V CIS motronic from 91 GLI
screamin8vgti - 87 Cabby - 16V will be on carbs soon
Shaggy - unknown model - 2.0 16V and 02a
ShavedRabbit - 82 Rabbit L w/ Passat 2.0 16V CIS-motronic & 02A trans
Shifty - 84 GLI - Euro KR 1.8 on dual carbs.
SheRocco - 78 Rocco - 1.8 16V on CIS-E
silvervdubs99 - 84 GLI - 2.0 16V with 42mm T/Bs on MSnS
Simplistic87Scirocco - 82 Caddy - 2.0 16V from a passat with rocco injection
SKATEDEES - 78 Rabbit - 2.0 16V runnin passat injection.
skills@eurocarsplus - 82 Caddy - 2.0 16V from a passat
slowNlowDTE - 77 Rabbit - 2.0 16V on Euro CIS
Sputterputz - 84 GTI 16V on MSNS, 80 Caddy 16V on MSNS, 83 GTI 2.1L 16V supercharger on MSNS
tecknoquatt - 83 GTI - 2.0L 16V
the.good.gli - 81 Rabbit - 2.0 16V running motronic
theenico - Caddy - 2.0 16V on CIS-E
theVWrobot - 84 Rabbit - ABA 16V on 034efi. turbo in work...
Traffic Jam Zombie - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V including CIS-Motronic from a Passat
tuned vws rule - 82 Rabbit - 2.0 16V on CIS.
turbo8vg60 - 84 GTI - 2.0b/e/1.8 head stock injection
turbo8vg60 - 83 GTI - 2.0 16Vt - too much to list
vdubspeed - 84 GTI - 1.8 16vT, SDS, t3/t04e,too much to list..
vdubberpimp - 77 Rabbit - 2.0bottom/1.8head, passat motronic
volks25 - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V on digi 1
vr6freak - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V with CIS-motronic from a Passat
vtgti - 89 Cabby - 2.0 16V w/ twin Dellorto carbs
VW_Urf - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V and tranny from a 91 Jetta GLI
KraftwerkMK1Jetta - 84 Jetta GLI - 16V.
VDubJD - 81 Caddy - 2.0/1.8 16V combo
VWGTIRCR - 84 GTI - 2.0 16V running on DIGI 1
VWJerm - waiting on info....
VWralley - 77 Rabbit - 2.0 16V w/ a custom SRI and MSnS.
WA85gti8v - 83 GTI - 2.0 16V running Passat motronic
white-rabbit - 79 GTI - 2.0 16V
wulfpack - 84 GTI - 1.8 16V on Rocco CIS-E
ZweiGTIs - 84 GTI - 87 1.8 16V from a GTI
16vCabrioletofNJ - 89 Cabby - 2.0L 16V with CIS-E(soon to be megasquirt)
2.0turbslo - 76 Rabbit - 2.0 16V on carbs
2deepn2dubs - 81 Caddy - 2.0 16V on CIS-E
75Bus88fox - 81 Caddy - 2.0 16V on ole CIS
80'VWtruck - 81 Caddy - 2.0 16V from a passat
84Notch - 84 Jetta GLI - 2.0 16V using rocco CIS-E
98DUB - 81 Coupe - 1.8 16V running CIS-E

DIAGRAMS:
How the motor physically bolts in. For the record....You can use any mk1 motor mounts you want. They can come from any rabbit, cabriolet, jetta 1, scirocco 1 and 2, etc. They all bolt up to any 16V and any 020 no problem.

FOR THE EXHAUST YOU CAN ONLY USE A SCIROCCO EXHAUST MANIFOLD AND DOWNPIPE OR A SUITABLE SUBSTITUTE...FOR EXAMPLE, A HEADER MEANT FOR A 16V SCIROCCO OR A SCIROCCO EXHAUST MANIFOLD AND TTT DOWNPIPE. YOU CAN NOT USE MK2 GOLF/JETTA EXHAUST MANIFOLDS OR DOWNPIPES.

This is the money shot of CIS-E wiring.

This is an older pic that I took about a year ago so some things may not be perfect. However you can see exactly what wire it takes to power up the ECU,ignition module and knock box.

The following HUGE pic was made by Nick Turner aka NTRabbit.
Modified by me on 21 June 05 to make a correction about the coil wires.

**Odium** · 02-21-2004 11:39 PM

bump for good info. maybe sticky it?

**Legacy** · 02-21-2004 11:52 PM

ya nice work. My only suggestion. Sort the topics between CIS-E and Motronic swaps. That about it from me.

**Lankyleo** · 02-22-2004 02:51 AM

yea this needs to be sticky'd, lemme message the mod.......

**Lunitixx** · 02-22-2004 03:19 AM

It's not going to be stickied. The staff will only allow the existing FAQ stickied in this forum.

Please post it in the FAQ

**Je2tta** · 02-22-2004 07:57 AM

You did this cause of me, didnt ya Jason, haha thanks man

Good info

**Nashty Rabbit** · 02-22-2004 11:44 AM

i say you call bently publishing and make one billllllllion dollars

just a thought

take care,
nash

**rs4-380** · 02-22-2004 12:03 PM

Good stuff

**turbo8vg60** · 02-22-2004 01:44 PM

good info an nat

**Mk1noHID** · 02-22-2004 04:26 PM

hubba hubba

**vr6freak** · 02-22-2004 07:05 PM

nice thanks a lot

**83Caddy16v** · 02-22-2004 09:44 PM

Glad to see three of our diagrams are still floating around and being put to good use.

My friend Jack Simon in Newfreedom, PA put those together back in 1992 when we did our first 16v Rabbit.

Modified by 83Caddy16v at 9:47 PM 2-22-2004

Modified by 83Caddy16v at 9:48 PM 2-22-2004

**vdubspeed** · 02-23-2004 07:24 AM

83Caddy16V I stared at those diagrams forever before I did my swap. I knew them by heart! I ended up printing them and have a picture of those diagrams right by me during my swap.

Later this year when I tear out my CIS-E in favor of SDS I plan on doing a detailed picture step by step of EVERYTHING.

Thanks for the comments guys. Later I will I categorize the posts and make it easier on the eyes

Jason

**GTIZRX** · 02-28-2004 10:52 PM

Great info.

**GTI aficionado** · 02-29-2004 12:36 AM

Thanks! That's timely stuff for me, as next weekend the Scirocco engine and tranny will be going in.

Dave

**Je2tta** · 03-01-2004 08:55 PM

I have a question for ya Jason...On my A2 16v I originally had AC and Power steering and I dont want to use either of them. What do I need for brackets and special belts for this? Thanks
-Mike

**vdubspeed** · 03-01-2004 10:19 PM

Unfortunately Je2tta I don't have the text book answer. My setup is a non-AC and p/s one too. I removed the powersteering pump and the compressor. Then I had to change the pulley on the 16V alternator and I run one single belt for the alternator and water pump. Back in America I have the belt number written down but that's 8000 miles from here.

Unfortunately "AC" is to small of a search query for the search function so you going to have to dig some.

L8r, Jason

**Shawn O** · 03-01-2004 11:42 PM

The belt you need is 10x950 for a non a/c non power steering set up.

The correct factory bracket is this one....It's $70 from the dealer. There is also a special tensioner arm and toothed bolt but I don't have the part numbers for that handy.

**kobidge** · 04-22-2004 03:46 AM

Quote, originally posted by Shawn O »

The belt you need is 10x950 for a non a/c non power steering set up.

Is this the same belt size if you use the original (meant for a/c & p/s) bracket, or will you need the OEM non a/c bracket?

**sik8v(2)** · 05-25-2004 09:49 PM

thank god for this post. will update at the end of the week... WISH US LUCK.

**vwbmx** · 06-29-2004 06:08 PM

AMAZING Info..... Thanks GURU Jason. Job Well done. I also think you shoudl send into Bentley the schmatics of the swaps and see if you can make some loot. Maybe Bentley will put out a line of VW swap manuals on what to do Good Luck. Tim

**vdubspeed** · 07-11-2004 10:52 PM

I'm in no way a guru. I just love the 16V motor and want to make it easier for people to swap them.

I'm bumping this up because I've noticed A TON of people doing 16V swaps. So I have TWO request:

1: If you currently own or are building a 16v A1 PLEASE IM me so I can add your screenname to a list I will be compiling. Please include what model your 16V came from AND what kind of A1 it's going into

2: I encourage all that have completed their swap to add their experiences to this post. If you want just leave a link and I'll add it to the top. Also that goes for good pictures. Everyone knows a picture is worth a thousand words.

Good luck guys,

Jason

Modified by vdubspeed at 10:04 PM 7-11-2004

**Colombian Gringo** · 07-11-2004 11:47 PM

Great resource!

**dwilkins** · 07-12-2004 03:26 AM

NEW and Improved!
Last updated: (02.09.2006)
Completely updated file to include all new posts and links! Also I moved the file to a new host! As I understand, the old file was down for some time. Sorry.
File size: 28.8mb
Total pages: 550
Download the 16v Swap Info Here

Also, if you wish to have the old, incomplete file, Grab It Here.

Modified by dwilkins at 10:56 AM 2-9-2006

**vwbmx** · 07-12-2004 07:24 AM

very nice IDEA!! I love it

**JNXtheband** · 07-12-2004 07:27 AM

hehe, add me to the list: 84 gti 16v

**Hotrodjrod** · 07-12-2004 08:35 AM

add me as well, 83 GTI 16v on ITB's with megasquirt

**rs4-380** · 07-12-2004 10:33 AM

You can add me.

83 Rabbit L (1.7 Carb) w/ 2l from a 91 GLI, full motronic harness, tt race header, autotech sport set cams, using A2 hub carriers, front and rear discs.

Modified by rs4-380 at 1:07 PM 7-15-2004

**Audioslave33** · 07-12-2004 10:56 AM

This is a list for all A1 16V drivers?

audioslave33 - 83 gti, 2L 16V with CISe (rocco)

don't know what car the 2L is from i'll just say passat

My expierence with this swap.... label EVERYTHING.. and know the wiring before you start..
Finding a 16V rocco downpipe isn't that easy.. i bought one and it leaked, i bought an SS race pipe.. and it didn't fit so now it's currently being bent to fit

like they say, it always costs twice as much and takes 3X longer than expected (well for me atleast)

**VW_Urf** · 07-12-2004 11:33 AM

I'm bookmarking this! On BOTH of my computers! This came not a moment too soon, either, as I am picking up my 16V for my Rabbit on Sunday after Waterfest!

So, I guess you could say I'm in the process of building a 16V A1.

Dan/VW_Urf - 1983 GTI - 2.0L 16V and 5-speed from a `91 Jetta GLI.

I will be taking LOTS of pictures of the upcoming pull and install, as well as the stripping of the car. I bought it partially stripped, so that saved me a little work, but I do need to find a wrecker with a couple A1s to scavenge some fasteners and what not.

All in all - I think with the abundance of 16V A1s out there, I should have no problem doing the swap, and I *should* be up and running by the end of August. Wish me luck.

**marat_g60** · 08-10-2004 01:54 PM

the 1st pic doesnt work, but if u could get it to work, it'd be great cuz that would answer my question in the 16v forum...i remember seeing the pic before, i saved it, but i reinstallled my comp and dont have it anymore

**dwilkins** · 08-10-2004 01:57 PM

Quote, originally posted by dwilkins »

NEW and Improved!
Last updated: (02.09.2006)
Completely updated file to include all new posts and links! Also I moved the file to a new host! As I understand, the old file was down for some time. Sorry.
File size: 28.8mb
Total pages: 550
Download the 16v Swap Info Here

Also, if you wish to have the old, incomplete file, Grab It Here.

its all in here

Modified by dwilkins at 10:57 AM 2-9-2006

**DUB-YAH** · 08-10-2004 03:32 PM

thanks this thread is going to help alot

**vr6freak** · 08-10-2004 03:50 PM

keep it up

**JUS_GT_EYEZ** · 08-10-2004 05:18 PM

Wow this is great.. only thing im doing a x-flow swap.. anything remotely similar for complete x-flow bunny swaps?

VWVortex

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