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    Thread: (Pics Fixed) OK. So my entire ATP turbo kit is here: logical first steps??? TIPS??

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      05-05-2004 04:10 PM #1
      EDIT: Let me start off by saying this post has become an incredible source of all sorts of good turbo install info (and it's subsequent "issues" that you encounter during the install). I'll keep these pics as long as I can (in their same address on my website) so that they never become bright red X's (that's the goal). If they do, contact me at ' nate@nateengel.com '.

      Guys,
      I just want to make sure I don't do something (ie. bolt something up) in the "wrong" order.
      IE. My first guess would be to mount the exh manny to the head first then put the turbo on???
      What I'd like to get from you guys is any TIPS that you've found that make the process a bit easier...
      Basically it's an ATP stage 2 (i/c) with a "killa" TO4E Turbo on my GTi VR6 MK3.
      TIA, guys...
      Later,


      Modified by nater at 12:57 PM 5-8-2004

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      05-05-2004 05:03 PM #2
      A "normal" sized picture of what I've got so far (I've already got the turbo - see my other thread with the super large pic!).

      Later,
      Last edited by nater; 07-05-2010 at 05:51 PM.

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      05-05-2004 05:12 PM #3
      Just what ever you do dont screw it up

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      05-05-2004 05:29 PM #4



      Ok, so I guess it's obvious that I've got to clock this turbo so the it's pointing exactly 180deg from where it is, correct?
      And the blue cap on the top is actually the oil feed?
      I want to make sure I've got the oil feed and the oil return correct...
      My guess is that the oil return is indeed (in these pics) on the bottom (just beyond where you can see)?
      And, both flanges look identical to me so how can I tell for sure?
      And, the red circular caps are for what purpose??? There are two of them (one is pictured and the other is on the other side).

      Later,


      Modified by nater at 5:30 PM 5-5-2004
      Last edited by nater; 07-05-2010 at 05:52 PM.

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      05-05-2004 05:33 PM #5
      Oil feed is indeed up. Oil return has a larger, rectangular hole, oil feed is smaller, round, and probably threaded.

    6. 05-05-2004 05:39 PM #6
      Quote, originally posted by nater »
      Ok, so I guess it's obvious that I've got to clock this turbo so the it's pointing exactly 180deg from where it is, correct?
      And the blue cap on the top is actually the oil feed?
      I want to make sure I've got the oil feed and the oil return correct...
      My guess is that the oil return is indeed (in these pics) on the bottom (just beyond where you can see)?
      And, both flanges look identical to me so how can I tell for sure?
      And, the red circular caps are for what purpose??? There are two of them (one is pictured and the other is on the other side).

      Later,

      Modified by nater at 5:30 PM 5-5-2004

      clock the turbo 180*
      top of the Turbo is for oil inlet
      bottom is for outlet (don't forget the teflon tape)
      red caps are for water cooling (optional), with very little work you can use your stock TB coolant lines.

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      05-05-2004 05:49 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by schrickedVR6 »
      clock the turbo 180*
      top of the Turbo is for oil inlet
      bottom is for outlet (don't forget the teflon tape)
      red caps are for water cooling (optional), with very little work you can use your stock TB coolant lines.

      Thanks Highpsi...
      Schrickedvr6...
      I have clocked the turbo:


      Ok, so I can keep the water cooling plugged up for now? Or should I not run it unless it's water cooled?
      As for the Tephlon tape...I've got ATP's hardware kit which has a lot of gaskets and stuff...one of them matches up the oil return on the bottom...my guess is that's what I need for it.
      So far (with these pics), so good????
      Will update with pics as I progress tonight...
      Later,
      Last edited by nater; 07-05-2010 at 05:53 PM.

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      05-05-2004 06:07 PM #8

      bolted up oil return. Figure if there's anything 'wrong' here let me know...
      Thanks for the ongoing help, guys....

      Later,
      Last edited by nater; 07-05-2010 at 05:54 PM.

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      05-05-2004 06:19 PM #9

      I just screwed in the brass oil feed line as the hardware kit had no "flange" as the oil return DID. I figure this is ok and doesn't need any particular "seal".
      My supercharger oil feed/return was just threaded like this too...and had no particular seal on it either...
      I assume it all looks good, eh?
      Keep the help coming guys...I'm fairly mechanically inclined (installed cams, supercharger, etc...) but this is an entirely different ballgame.
      Much appreciated!
      Later,
      Last edited by nater; 07-05-2010 at 05:55 PM.

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      05-05-2004 06:49 PM #10
      Please don't think I'm a retard but this pic shows how I *thought* the WG is supposed to be attached to the manifold. Please, if I did it backwards or something don't call me a wee-tod...



      Later,
      Last edited by nater; 07-05-2010 at 05:55 PM.

    11. 05-05-2004 07:02 PM #11
      keep the pics coming man, I looking into piecing together a turbo and want to see the general idea of whats behind it

    12. 05-05-2004 07:32 PM #12
      Looks like the wastegate will dump into the block
      Might need to rotate it 180.

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      05-05-2004 07:46 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by Fox-N-It »
      Looks like the wastegate will dump into the block
      Might need to rotate it 180.

      Are you sure? Only reason I ask is that when I rotated it 180degrees before it seemed to bump into the downpipe where it connects at the exhaust housing of the turbo...
      Can someone help with this???

      Later,

    14. 05-05-2004 07:55 PM #14
      It doesn't bump. You have it facing the wrong way.
      This pic might help. It's a bit hard to see the WG though

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      05-05-2004 08:45 PM #15
      I think those studs would be better used on the wastegate than the oil return flange. You can just use some bolts on the oil return flange.
      Make sure the gaskets you got for the wastegate have "fire rings"... basically a metal ring in the center so they don't blow out.
      Definitely use some teflon tape on the threads of the oil feed line.

    16. 05-05-2004 09:14 PM #16
      Where can I get some wastegate gaskets w/ the 'fire-rings'?
      Just got a 38mm direct from Tial and the gaskets are do not contain metal as far as I can tell...
      Awesome post Nater, you're doing 1/2 the work for me!

    17. 05-05-2004 09:33 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by GKONYA »
      Where can I get some wastegate gaskets w/ the 'fire-rings'?
      Just got a 38mm direct from Tial and the gaskets are do not contain metal as far as I can tell...

      I got mine from ATP.

    18. 05-05-2004 09:50 PM #18
      do they sell this gasket as kit that they sell with the bolt kit

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      05-05-2004 09:55 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by 2kjettaguy »
      Definitely use some teflon tape on the threads of the oil feed line.

      NO, NO, NO. DO NOT use teflon tape on an oil feed line
      Always use teflon paste/pipe dope. No pipe tape or silicone RTV. The oil passages and journal bearings in most turbos are rather small and a little sliver of tape or piece of silicone can plug them. Most of the time if you are careful you can get away with it, but it is not a risk worth taking in my opinion. I rebuild turbos at work and have seen more than one fail because of tape or silicone leading to oil starvation. Just my $.02

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      05-05-2004 10:22 PM #20
      More pics...
      wg fixed and rotated 180degrees. There's no 'easy' way to re-route that wg back into the exhaust or does it just go into the atmosphere? And, if so...does it make the car much louder???
      Here's the updated pics:



      Keep the help coming guys!!!!

      Later,
      Last edited by nater; 07-05-2010 at 05:57 PM.

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      05-05-2004 10:37 PM #21
      If you bought a turbo with a water jacket, then hook up the water lines.

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      05-05-2004 10:43 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by Marty »
      If you bought a turbo with a water jacket, then hook up the water lines.


      Take the line off the TB....
      Wastegate dump: you'll need to make a pipe that
      goes to the ground or feeds back into the DP.
      Most folks, like me, can't wait to get the turbo up and running
      so we run a pipe, and end up leaving it that way....

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      05-05-2004 10:46 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by Marty »
      If you bought a turbo with a water jacket, then hook up the water lines.

      I did.
      I'll use the lines going in and out of my TB, right?
      Do you know where I can get the fittings which will allow me to hook these lines up?
      And what really happens if I don't run it watercooled when it has that option? Is it really bad for the turbo???
      And if I have the water hooked up does it mean I still need a turbo timer b/c doesn't the aux water pump just keep pumping to keep things cool anyway?
      Or is it a matter of the oil just caking up inside the turbo???
      Oh, by the way...I could really use a diagram of exactly how to plumb this setup (i/c) b/c I'm totally clueless. I've got the atp stage 2 plumbing and intercooler but it's all a big pile if isht right now .
      Later,

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      05-05-2004 10:47 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by Jefnes3 »

      Take the line off the TB....
      Wastegate dump: you'll need to make a pipe that
      goes to the ground or feeds back into the DP.
      Most folks, like me, can't wait to get the turbo up and running
      so we run a pipe, and end up leaving it that way....

      Jeff

      Jeff,
      what happens if I just leave it to dump w/o a pipe? I mean, it's still dumping, just in a differnt part of the engine, right?
      Later,

    25. 05-05-2004 11:43 PM #25
      Yeah there are a few parts that dont come in the stage II kit they dont mention or supply. Dump tube is one. You dont want to Waste under hood that is raw exhause under your hood being vented which can easily make it to air intake for cabin air and well you know. Sofarkingfast and I both have same setup we have a local shop that will make us dump tubes for $40 to get the exhaust down to the road at lease.

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