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    Thread: lets get a ABA 16v Parts List/FAQ Thread going

    1. 08-10-2004 07:05 AM #1
      I would like to get a Master ABA 16v Parts list/ ABA 16v FAQ thread going in order to help all of those who have many questions and are not sure about what specific parts are needed to make this work. Please post up if you have any info, just be sure that the info you are contributing is accurate and correct. I will Update the list every other day if not every day. If anything is wrong or if something needs to be added then post up and ill add it to the master list below. I want to try and keep the list as easy to understand as possible so it will answer many questions by reading it. Please help out with this thread as i am not doing it just to help out other Vortexers, but i myself need to know more info so i can gather all the needed parts so i can get the motor in my jetta and get megasquirt on and get the car running!

      ~Engine & Internals~
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      Block: OBD1 ABA
      Crank: OBD1 ABA
      Crank Bearings: ABA
      Connecting Rods: OBD1 ABA
      Pistons: 2.0L 16v
      Rod Bearings: ????
      Head: 1.8L 16v or 2.0L 16v
      Oil Pan: ABA
      Headgasket: ABA or 2.0L 16v

      ~Intake & Exhaust~
      ---------------------------------------------------------------
      Throttle Body: G60 or Automatic 16v
      Intake Manifold: 1.8L 16v or 2.0L 16v

      ~Belts & Pulleys~
      ---------------------------------------------------------------
      Timing Belt: Eurosport ABA 16v Or OEM 150 Tooth 1.8T
      Idler/Tensioner Pulley: 9A 2.0L 16v
      Oil Pump: 2.0L 16v
      Oil Pump Drive: 2.0L 16v
      Water Pump: 2.0L 16v
      Water Pump Pulley: 2.0L 16v
      Crank Pulley: 2.0L 16v
      Alternator: 2.0L 16v
      Alternator Pulley: 2.0L 16v
      Alternator Belt: 2.0L 16v
      Intermediate Shaft: 2.0L 16v

      ~Fuel & Spark~
      ---------------------------------------------------------------
      Fuel Pump: Rabbit CIS
      Fuel Filter: CIS
      FPR: G60
      Spark Plugs: 16v
      Distributer: 16v
      Spark Plug Wires: 16v
      Distributer Block Off: TT Block Off Plate

      ~Options~
      ---------------------------------------------------------------

      here is the changes you need to make for the following
      1) High Boost Forced Induction-----------ABA pistons/ABA Rods
      2) Mild Boost Forced Induction-----------9A pistons/ABA Rods
      3) NA + Extreme Nitrous------------------See # 1
      4) NA + Mild Nitrous-----------------------See # 2
      5) High Compression---------------------ABF Pistons/ABA Rods
      6) Stroker----------------------------------9A Pistons/TDI Crank

      If your wanting to run MK3 Accessories here is what you need.
      MK3 Tesioner Bracket
      MK3 Alternator
      ABA Crank Pulley-needs to be machined down
      Non Power Steering Kit
      Power Steering Kit


      Thanks in advance :crosses fingers and hopes this thread takes off:

      Modified by German_Muscle at 9:39 PM 8-30-2004


      Modified by German_Muscle at 1:25 AM 11-3-2004


    2. 08-10-2004 10:52 AM #2
      16v 2 liter oil pump
      16v 2 liter crank pulley
      16v 2 liter intermediate shaft
      TT distributor block off plate

    3. 08-10-2004 01:13 PM #3
      16v 2.0 - pulley set, interm shaft, oil pump, block off plate....

      digi 1 - FPR 1bar

      oem rabbit fuel pump


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      08-10-2004 01:42 PM #4
      http://forum.vwsport.com/viewtopic.php?t=445

      The only diff. between the ABA blocks are the crank and oil squirters. The rods are all the same from what I am hearing.


    5. 08-10-2004 02:43 PM #5
      Quote, originally posted by Cabby-Blitz »
      http://forum.vwsport.com/viewtopic.php?t=445

      The only diff. between the ABA blocks are the crank and oil squirters. The rods are all the same from what I am hearing.

      correct... 93 / 94 had the forged crank / oil squirts


    6. 08-10-2004 11:18 PM #6
      list updated.....Bump

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      08-11-2004 04:01 PM #7
      When using 9a pistons on the aba rods you have to get new rod bushings from the dealer to fit with your wrist pins.

    8. 08-13-2004 05:39 AM #8
      so when i walk into the dealer i need to ask for what specifically? ABA or 16v rod bushings?

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      08-13-2004 08:23 AM #9
      if you want to run mk3 access setup like I will do, need a custom crank pulley as Trac Racing are sellin, pulley for same conversion as the 1.8T in mk2 if I remember correct...

      I'm startin setup this winter... keep you guys informed


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      08-13-2004 04:31 PM #10
      ask for 16v rod bushings. this is only if you are going to use the 9a pistons, and aba rods. in the end you'll have 9a pistons, 16v wrist pins, 16v rod bushings, and aba rods...

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      08-13-2004 04:37 PM #11
      Quote, originally posted by A3dOUde »
      if you want to run mk3 access setup like I will do, need a custom crank pulley as Trac Racing are sellin, pulley for same conversion as the 1.8T in mk2 if I remember correct...

      I'm startin setup this winter... keep you guys informed

      Word is you use the 16v crank pulley...why do you need this custom one exactly?


    12. 08-14-2004 08:51 PM #12
      the timing belt and pulley is wider with the 16v one on there so for the serpentine pulley to line up with the accesories and belt 6mm needs to be taken off the sepentine pulley.

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      08-16-2004 10:42 AM #13
      well on mk3, you have the T-Belt crank pulley and another pulley for accessories.. but since the 16v crank pulley is wider, you need one custom made so everything lines up as stock...

    14. 08-16-2004 01:37 PM #14
      Good to see you started a list for everyone to go off of. You can also do the ABA Serpintine set-up if you want to.


      PS: You have IM.


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      08-16-2004 02:43 PM #15
      What CR would you end up with;if you used the 9A pistons in the ABA block???

    16. 08-19-2004 12:06 AM #16
      9:1

    17. 08-19-2004 09:45 AM #17
      what about if you use ABA pistons and stack 2 ABA headgaskets? ~7.5:1?

      What about motor mounts? all the MK1 motor mounts will work with this swap right? i have a poly front motor mount. Thanks


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      08-19-2004 10:13 AM #18
      Yah..all the mounts will work in a mk1, the 16v blocks should also have the provision on the passenger side of the motor for bolting up that motor mount. You'll also have to get the bracket for the trans..both the rear trans mount and the side trans mount.

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      08-19-2004 10:30 AM #19
      Anyone here figure out a good way to cut valve reliefs with the pistons in the block? I'd take em out, but then I'd re-ring it, new bearings, etc and I don't want to go down that road.
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    20. 08-19-2004 10:39 AM #20
      Is there anyone out there that sells this conversion in a kit? Im a little confused the parts list shows that you must use the 16v pistons but everyone talks about using the aba pistons? I undestand that the aba pistons will give you a c/r of 8:1, so assuming that the 16v pistons arent the same what cr do they giv you?


      Modified by mwebb95jetta at 4:21 PM 8-19-2004

    21. 08-19-2004 11:02 AM #21
      no there isnt really a kit out there. You just kinda haft to do it like this. It gets very confusing sometimes to. Im going to use the 2L 16v pistons because im going to run it as natural aspirated for a while and because im using a 16v head. you can run the ABA pistons to if you want to keep your compression ratio to a minimum. It all really depends on your preferance. The 16v pistons are flat tops with 2 valve indentions for the intake valves. the ABA pistons have a bowl in the piston. Here is some pics.

      2.0L 16v(9A) Piston

      2.0L 8v(ABA) Piston


    22. 08-19-2004 11:23 AM #22
      So then the list that we have above is for a na setup.

    23. 08-19-2004 03:26 PM #23
      no, not really. im running N/A because lack of funds, next summer i will be bolting a SC61 to the engine with a few other goodies like Autronic. the ABA pistons give you a lil bit lower compression ratio thats all.

    24. 08-19-2004 05:28 PM #24
      so right now you have the motor runnin on 8:1, and it runs good?

    25. 08-19-2004 10:41 PM #25
      its not running yet, but yes it should run good, its not going to be fast but it will run fine

    26. 08-19-2004 11:49 PM #26
      which charger are you gonna be running the SC61. Who makes that one. sorry im just starting to get into this project and i havent looked much into forced induction besides the BBM and the neuspeed.

    27. 08-20-2004 07:33 AM #27
      the SC61 is a Turbocharger,, it is about equal to a T61. Here is some info on it. http://www.precisionte.com/pro...rgers

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      08-20-2004 08:00 AM #28
      Quote, originally posted by German_Muscle »
      it is about equal to a T61.

      ... but with a waay more efficent compressor wheel of the GT family.

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    29. 08-20-2004 02:53 PM #29
      link doesnt work but oh well I think im gonna with more reliable source of power,supercharger. I wouldnt mind going turbo but dont want to shell out the cash.


      Modified by mwebb95jetta at 7:58 PM 8-20-2004

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      08-20-2004 03:02 PM #30
      what supercharger do you plan on running that is both reliable and more cost effective?

    31. 08-20-2004 04:38 PM #31
      Well before I was thinking about doing the 16v head swap, I was going to get the Neuspeed, but havent really thought about it since I decided to do the head swap.

    32. 08-24-2004 01:52 PM #32
      bump for a good thread

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      08-26-2004 02:43 PM #33
      Does someone have a picture of the 9a IT shaft gear?

      Want to see the diff. between the 9a and the ABA. Cause I want to see if I can do some work to get the 9a gear on the ABA shaft so then I can use the ABA oil pump and not have to source all of the 9a parts.


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      08-30-2004 07:43 PM #34


      for piston, if you don't need to oversize bore dimension, juste find a euro dealer that may sell you some 82.5 x 92.8mm 10.5:1 CR ABF pistons...

      btw, I've got a quote for VW oversized ABF 83mm x 92.8mm 10.5:1 at 1400$cdn + shipping and taxes....

      still don't know what to do


    35. 08-30-2004 08:22 PM #35
      Eurospec sports has cast ABF pistons for the ABA to give you a 10:1 ratio for $289 usd. if you want a 10.5:1 you could deck the block or head slightly. They also have pistons for use with 83mm and 83.5mm bores and 95.5mm stroke for a little more money. Use the money you save to buy some aggresive cams from autotech or TT.


      The ABA pistons will give you an 8.1:1 CR and the 9A pistons should give you an 8.5:1 CR, both are good for boost.


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