lets get a ABA 16v Parts List/FAQ Thread going

[disphunktion]

For those that might have been looking for the timing belt.

It's an 150 teeth and the part # is 06B 109 119F

[Mattymcg112]

Can i use 1.8t pulleys instead of 9a pulleys? im picking up a full 1.8t 16v motor with 020 tranny for 300 and was wondering if i can use everything from that motor instead of having to source out my pulleys and such.

EDIT: figured it out. was ONLY 8 pages in and got my awnser on page 10, now with all the bull**** crammed in my head from the first 8 posts i forget what i have to do to run my ABA distributor instead of the 16v one! i know i read about it but HA! i forget! back to reading


Modified by Mattymcg112 at 11:22 PM 8-24-2009

[slim-jim]

you need a cap that helps clear the head thout of doing that but got a 16v disty I also thought to cut the bottom off the 8v disty. So now I f'd one up. I think it can be done cheaper than a diizzy from bahn.

[vwpat]

Quote, originally posted by slim-jim »

I think it can be done cheaper than a diizzy from bahn.

yes, use 9A parts.

[slim-jim]

ya I just meant to use the aba int shaft but then I forgot about the sprocket. I just got int and all that junk for less than the price of the dizzy from bb. Do you know if the 1.8t engine code matters in order to use the manifold, fuel rail and injectors

[vwpat]

use a transverse engine for the manifold to cut and weld, a transverse fuel rail is easier and cleaner, different codes do use different injectors but see what you need first.

[slim-jim]

is it aww most of the ones I have found have just said 1.8t

[jfindley]

Okay kids, made it through all 52 pages finally. I have a couple questions
that are more opinion or advice issues rather than nuts and bolts how-tos:

I am building one of these to stuff into a Mk1. I plan to build it with all ABA internals (crank, pistons, rods) for low compression in order to run a charger. I plan on buying the BBM kit to help with the stuff I'm missing (see list).

Here is what I have:

ABA mostly complete engine OBD2 (I know, I know)
1.8 16v complete engine
Experience
$$$

Here is what I know I'm buying:

Scirocco intake
BBM ABA16v kit
BBM fuel rail
Misc. little bits scrounged here and there
SC kit or individual pieces yet TBD
Headache

Here is what I don't have:

ABA wiring harness and ECU
Exhaust manifold of any kind
Downtube of any kind
16v Distributor
Throttle Body (16v auto Passat)
Friends
The life I always dreamed of

Questions:

1. Since I need some sort of management anyway should I just go stand alone? According to pozer on page 50 "Get MS and be done with all the playing around." and that was seconded by talon223. Any issues with using the older fusebox?

2. Should I look at other SEM aside from Megasquirt? It looks like the others I've seen are stupid expensive.

3. What's a good solution for an exhaust mani/header and downpipe combo? I am planning on getting a new TT exhaust so I'm pretty flexible here as long as I can stuff it into a Mk1.

4. Any advice on Superchargers specific to this swap? I've seen some cool pics of intercoolers in Mk1s but not a lot of info on what was used. Space is tight so any ideas would be appreciated.

5. Anything else specific to this going into a Mk1? Past pitfalls and solutions from anyone appreciated.

My ultimate goal is an honest 200WHP. That said, HP isn't my real goal but Torque is. Thus my choice of a charger. So keep that in mind if you have any comments to add.

Thanks to everyone that's contributed to this topic. Lots of really great info from good people. And even thanks to the morons that keeps asking the same questions over and over. They just helped drill into my head what does and does not work and what is and is not needed. And thanks for reading this long post...

[98jettadub]

ok i just got done reading this whole thread, i am still a little unclear on how to do the pully setup. ok i am probably gonna get the bbm im pulley, the dizzy gizzy, the bbm crank serpentine pulley and the timing belt from bbm that they have for the swap. i just dont know what to use for the bottom crank pulley, where the timing belt goes? i read that i could use a 2.0 16v pullye or i could just machine down my stock aba pulley and use a spacer? if that sounds right please let me know. any info would be great


Modified by 98jettadub at 11:56 PM 8-31-2009

[bonesaw]

MS would work. Lugtronic would also work for you. both work on ce1 and ce2 fuse panels.

for exhaust manifold you need a 16v scirocco and downpipe and you will need to get a spacer because you are using an ABA bottom end.

Even though a charger would be cool id recommend a turbo over a SC because of the exhaust thing, and the fact that all the SC kits for 4 cyl suck. would really need to be custom.

@98jettadub
you need to use a 2.0 16v timing gear and a modified ABA pulley or get the one from BBM.

[jfindley]

Quote, originally posted by bonesaw »

MS would work. Lugtronic would also work for you. both work on ce1 and ce2 fuse panels.

I forgot about Lugtronic. I'm wading through the SEM forum now - ugh.

Quote, originally posted by bonesaw »

for exhaust manifold you need a 16v scirocco and downpipe and you will need to get a spacer because you are using an ABA bottom end.

I figured I'd have to monkey something up due to the taller block. I guess I was asking if it was worth looking into a header or other setup. I'll look at crap in the JY and get ideas.

Quote, originally posted by bonesaw »

Even though a charger would be cool id recommend a turbo over a SC because of the exhaust thing, and the fact that all the SC kits for 4 cyl suck. would really need to be custom.

But it's a SUPERcharger! It has super right in the name! How can you possibly go wrong? I'm not 100% sold on a SC but I prefer the torque curve, sound, and uniqueness of a SC over a turbo. I may change my mind after shopping around.

Thanks for the info...

JF

[bonesaw]

i doubt they make a header. it would have to be specifically for an ABF in a mk1.

SC def unique, but boost is very addicting. and you will end up going turbo later anyway. just trying to save you some headaches. proper turbo and you will still make the torque you want.

[98jettadub]

i am confused as to what crank gear to put on my aba 16v. should i run a 2.0 16v crank gear, 1.8t gear, or get the aba one machined down? any incite would help alot. thanks

[bonesaw]

2.0 16v. the 1.8t one i belive is the same. the ABA part that gets shaved is the pulley NOT the gear.

[98jettadub]

ok thanks. so i just have to buy a aftermarket accessory crank pully from bbm correct?

[bonesaw]

or shave an ABA one.

[98jettadub]

ok thanks.

[jfindley]

Quote, originally posted by bonesaw »

SC def unique, but boost is very addicting. and you will end up going turbo later anyway. just trying to save you some headaches. proper turbo and you will still make the torque you want.

Hey, not a bad idea! I'll just add a turbo to my SC for maximum effect.

Seriously, I've seen a lot of crap turbo setups that seem to do not much besides make noise and heat. I'll look around and see how things price out and what I really will get for my money.

JF

[papichulo7]

Quote, originally posted by jfindley »

Hey, not a bad idea! I'll just add a turbo to my SC for maximum effect. Seriously, I've seen a lot of crap turbo setups that seem to do not much besides make noise and heat. I'll look around and see how things price out and what I really will get for my money. JF

Go turbo. I have had both in an A2 GLI; went through 4 G60's and then converted to turbo. Would never look back.

Admittedly, G60 design leaves something to be desired. But the power from a good turbo setup is just awesome.

Good luck.

[98jettadub]

another question for anyone. what fuel rail would i use for the aba 16v swap? i could buy the bbm one but that is 140. if i could find a little cheaper that would be nice.

[bonesaw]

SC are not cheap. if you plan a turbo setup itll make power. BBM rail or ross. pretty much only options.

[slim-jim]

mk4 1.8t fuel rail

[98jettadub]

it fits with no modification?

[vwpat]

Quote, originally posted by 98jettadub »

it fits with no modification?

"arms" for injectors need to be lengthened.

[slim-jim]

unless 1.8t mani used also. does anybody know if the throttle bodys line up(1.8t aba)

[shwagondawheels]

aba tb fits 1.8t mani no issues, just mocked mine up

[1slowVW]

I have read over this thread on several occasions, but I don't find much in the way of people running G-60's on their aba/16v? I'm just wondering how much power I stand to loose if i keep the aba pistons, with the G-ladder. I'm planning on running stock pulley on the charger, but it is already stage 4 ported and rebuilt. I would like to keep it low compression to be able to run a small nitrous shot on occasion(the occasion that my buddy pulls up to me in his VRT)
I'm assuming I should be fine with the lower compression even if I'm not running high boost numbers but I would love to hear it from someone who has done this.

Thanks
1SlowVW

[98jettadub]

i got a deal on a mk4 18.t intake manifold. my question is, what is all involved in mounting it to the 16v head? do i have to cut flanges? thanks

[E-H-R-B]

Ok im building a aba 16valve and would like to go stroker with it aswell, im told some years tdi cranks will fit in with the 95.5mm stroke ? any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks

[shwagondawheels]

Quote, originally posted by 98jettadub »

i got a deal on a mk4 18.t intake manifold. my question is, what is all involved in mounting it to the 16v head? do i have to cut flanges? thanks

same here.. anyone?

[kompressorgolf]

FWIW. ive over 1000 miles so far on my ABA 16VT and its rockin 1.8 PL intermediate shaft and oil pump etc. i had the corner of the #4 rod cap machined off to clear if i remember by 90 thousants. (min)

[disphunktion]

Quote, originally posted by shwagondawheels »

same here.. anyone?

with so many request isn't it possible to create an adapter to bolt this on?

[98jettadub]

i gathered the following parts for my aba 16v swap....i got a 2.0 16v oil pump,int.shaft,distributor blockoff, the 1.8t timing belt and 1.8l 16v head. so all i need now is the machined crank pulley to run my accesories correct? and i also forgot i made a throttle body adaptor.

[slim-jim]

and a chip to make it work. distributor plug wires. crank gear do you have the int sprocket also.
and your quote is tru I don't know why people have to be ***** to fellow dubbers or just vortexers

Modified by slim-jim at 7:11 PM 10-7-2009


Modified by slim-jim at 7:12 PM 10-7-2009

[98jettadub]

Quote, originally posted by slim-jim »

and a chip to make it work. distributor plug wires. crank gear do you have the int sprocket also. and your quote is tru I don't know why people have to be ***** to fellow dubbers or just vortexers Modified by slim-jim at 7:11 PM 10-7-2009 Modified by slim-jim at 7:12 PM 10-7-2009

oh yea i forgot i got the crank gear and int. sprocket. so then all i need is plug wires,distributor, and the crank pulley. i appreciate the help, i want to do this one time only... the right way lol