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    Thread: lets get a ABA 16v Parts List/FAQ Thread going

    1. 12-02-2004 12:24 PM #141
      nice, would love to see some pics.. id already began to rip apart my aba, but i need to remove the 16v head from my scirocco. keep it comin.

    2. 12-02-2004 06:55 PM #142
      c2 only has 12v vr6 eproms and what not they dont have anything posted on the site for a 2.o

    3. 12-02-2004 10:59 PM #143
      Their site is a little behind, contact Chris or Jeff, you may need to schedule some one off tuning though depending on your needs.


      Modified by all-starr-me at 6:55 AM 12-31-2005

    4. 12-03-2004 12:21 AM #144
      sweet thanks, what system does the odbII aba use motronic?? is the a way to by pass the second o2 sensor and just run the one with no cat.??

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      12-03-2004 01:07 AM #145
      Quote, originally posted by azninferno »
      nice, would love to see some pics.. id already began to rip apart my aba, but i need to remove the 16v head from my scirocco. keep it comin.

      With no further waiting, here they are!
      So last night I pulled the head and oil pan and put it on the engine stand. Today I pressure washed the block and painted it with black engine enamel. I also cleaned up the pistons with a wire brush, It was a tedious task, but the results are nice. I also put in the 16v intermediate shaft and pump gear and block off plate. Very easy job, there is 1 o-ring and 2 13 mm nuts holding the shaft on there.
      While I had them both out, I took some comparison pictures so you know whats up. There is a pic of the ABA oil pump below, and you can see how it is driven by the peice on the end. The 16v oil pump is driven by splines on that shaft..
      Here are the pics of everything.
      Here is the block after pressure washing

      Here is the bottom end, cruddy pic I know..

      Here is the block painted..

      Here are my pretty pistons, ohh so happy!

      Here are the intermediate shafts..

      Close ups..

      And lastly the ABA oil pump..

      Lastly, a pic for views, the assembled upper half of my motor..

      Hope that helps, and more information in a bit. Now I need head gasket and block gaskets before I can continue, and I am F'in broke!
      Later,
      Kevin


      Modified by xpalendocious at 9:09 AM 12-3-2004

    6. 12-03-2004 04:49 PM #146
      nice pics, keep em comin.. i wont be able to start assmebly for a bit, still in school and no more money

      also, what the crap kinda manifold is that?? homemade?


    7. 12-04-2004 08:45 PM #147
      if you are using the ABA pistons, is it necessary to run a decomp head gasket? i think someone was saying that with the new head and the aba pistons it lowers the compression - but to be honest this thread mainly just gave me a headache
      and which gasket do you use, the aba or the 16v? and dont you need to block a couple of oil drain holes or something.

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      12-05-2004 03:41 AM #148
      Quote, originally posted by ahheadlock »
      if you are using the ABA pistons, is it necessary to run a decomp head gasket? i think someone was saying that with the new head and the aba pistons it lowers the compression - but to be honest this thread mainly just gave me a headache
      and which gasket do you use, the aba or the 16v? and dont you need to block a couple of oil drain holes or something.

      When you say decomp, I assume you mean a thicker head gasket that will lower the compression? If that is what you mean, then no, you just use the stock ABA headgasket.
      What are your plans? Naturally aspirated or turbo?
      Basically, for n/a you want high compression ratio, such as 10:1, by using 9a pistons.
      For turbo, you want low compression such as 8.5:1. Look in my pictures above, you see how the pistons are dished? Those are stock ABA pistons in an ABA block. I am going 16vT so I want the lower compression of dished pistons.
      HTH,
      Kevin

    9. 12-05-2004 04:18 PM #149
      thanks for that. I am also wanting to go Turbo, so the ABA pistons would be the go. How much boost can you safely run with that setup?

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      12-05-2004 04:50 PM #150
      Quote, originally posted by ahheadlock »
      thanks for that. I am also wanting to go Turbo, so the ABA pistons would be the go. How much boost can you safely run with that setup?

      With the aba pistons/rods/crank and a 16v head, you should be able to run 15psi at least. You will need to go with stand alone fuel injection and stuff, but the mechanicals should be good for at least 250whp.

    11. 12-05-2004 05:26 PM #151
      nice nice, thats what i was after.

      the pistons don't have to be modified in any way?

      and i'm a little confused about the distributor, what goes on with that?


    12. 12-05-2004 05:26 PM #152
      im goin digi 1 chipped with ugraded injectors. As for boost, safely i think you can run 12 lbs. Ill be running in the neighborhood of 15-17 psi.

    13. 12-05-2004 05:48 PM #153
      the fuelling will definitely be changed.

      Injectors, standalone management and an upgraded fuel pump

      310cc should be ok for the injectors if you run the 16v head yes?, what type injectors do you guys recommend... ?


    14. 12-06-2004 12:26 AM #154
      any one know what kind of numbers a all motor 16v aba with nice compression would put down

    15. 12-07-2004 11:44 PM #155
      could you get an 8v cam gear machined out to fit on the 16v cam and use that then there would be no need to change any of the other pullies ?????

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      12-08-2004 12:50 AM #156
      Quote, originally posted by raguturbo »
      could you get an 8v cam gear machined out to fit on the 16v cam and use that then there would be no need to change any of the other pullies ?????

      Do you think that VW went through all that extra expense and work of putting on a wider timing belt for no reason? With a 16v head, you have twice as much load on the t-belt. Also, you are now working with an interence motor, as in the valves will hit the pistons if the t-belt breaks. I wouldn't use the skinny timing belt. I imagine that since you are building a 16vT you plan to rev it to 7k and you plan to run it hard. Just spend the 200$ and put the neccesary timing belt on there.
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    17. 12-09-2004 12:57 PM #157
      this is going to be my final set-up tell me if im missing and thing or if i1m wrong on any thing.

      16v head any that i can find cheap)
      aba head gasket
      9a shaft, pump and gear
      1.8t or honda prelude timing belt
      switch hall sensor in distributors(Q: do the 16v dis. lock in like the aba)
      mick mouse some thing for the acessorie pully "????"
      short runner intake
      hand made fule rail with adjustable regulator
      g60 injestors
      runing on chiped stock ecu


      so>>> will it work


    18. 12-09-2004 07:22 PM #158
      Is it necessary to use a new fuel rail, is it not OK to just use the 16v one?

    19. 12-09-2004 07:59 PM #159
      there is no fuel rail on our 16v's in the US, just mechanical injection from the airbox. so yes it is neccesary, but if you are talking about using an ABF fuel rail/intake head, that we didn't get in the US, then yes it can work.

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      12-09-2004 09:05 PM #160
      Quote, originally posted by raguturbo »
      this is going to be my final set-up tell me if im missing and thing or if i1m wrong on any thing.

      16v head any that i can find cheap)
      aba head gasket
      9a shaft, pump and gear
      1.8t or honda prelude timing belt
      switch hall sensor in distributors(Q: do the 16v dis. lock in like the aba)
      mick mouse some thing for the acessorie pully "????"
      short runner intake
      hand made fule rail with adjustable regulator
      g60 injestors
      runing on chiped stock ecu


      so>>> will it work


      There is no turbo mentioned?
      Is this a NA set up or FI?
      Kevin

    21. 12-09-2004 11:19 PM #161
      turbo >>>>eclipse turbo t25

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      12-10-2004 12:07 AM #162
      You also want an intercooler then

    23. 12-10-2004 12:38 AM #163
      btw: what do you mean by this? mick mouse some thing for the acessorie pully "????"

    24. 12-10-2004 07:15 AM #164
      Quote, originally posted by ahheadlock »
      btw: what do you mean by this? mick mouse some thing for the acessorie pully "????"

      well going to need to find a machine shop then can take the 6 mm of the pully so it will line up with my acessories on my MKIII thats my only option right??

      on a 16v head can you move the distributor to adjust timing, because you cant on an aba so how does that work with the ecu???


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      12-10-2004 11:34 AM #165
      Why dont you want to leave the dizzy on the head?

    26. 12-10-2004 05:27 PM #166
      i dont mind so much i1m afraid it wont work with the ecu...... i thought the 16v dizzy alowed for a timing adjustment which isn't allowed on the aba so i1m not sure it will work

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      12-13-2004 02:26 AM #167
      Quote, originally posted by raguturbo »
      i dont mind so much i1m afraid it wont work with the ecu...... i thought the 16v dizzy alowed for a timing adjustment which isn't allowed on the aba so i1m not sure it will work

      I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you just said. Use periods, comma's and Capitalization where appropriate.
      Kevin

    28. 12-13-2004 10:11 AM #168
      alright, on a 16v the distributor can be twisted to abjust timing. on a aba the distributor can not be moved to adjust timing , that is taken care of by the ecu. so my question was will the two diffrent types of systems mix.?? i was thinking that when you adjusted the distributor that whould screw up the hall reading coming off the distributor.

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      12-13-2004 11:23 AM #169
      Ok, now I know what you mean. I beleive the ABA dizzy can be twisted to adjust timing. And both the 16v and the ABA dizzy's are electronicaly advanced.
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      12-13-2004 01:10 PM #170
      Quote, originally posted by xpalendocious »
      I beleive the ABA dizzy can be twisted to adjust timing. Kevin

      You are correct, Kevin. The 16v dizzy can be adjusted for timing, however the ABA ECU won't control the 16v diz, from what I understand. I could be totally wrong on this, though.. wouldn't be the first time!

    31. 12-13-2004 11:17 PM #171
      i know that you have to swap the 16v's 4 window hall out for the aba's single window i was just wondering if that was all that had to be done

    32. 12-16-2004 09:42 PM #172
      I'm pretty sure thats all that it needs to read the same, make sure you look at how to line it up correctly for when you time it.

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      12-22-2004 12:45 AM #173
      I have been reading this post and it has done nothing but make me want a 16V swap really badly. I have a 1999 MkIII Jetta 2.0 8V Turbo ABA. From what i see most of the people doing this swap arent obd2 and i need to know can it be done on an obd2 so that it will still pass emissions. I would love to do the swap but i still need the car to be legal.

      I also need to some things clarified. Can i use all stock internals (ie pistons, rods, and crank) and not blow up my engine. I would assume when i use the 16V head ot of a passat 2.0 16V it drops the compression to around 8.5:1 which is ideal for forced induction. And as far as fueling goes what size injectors with what fuel rail and FPR for around 10-12psi boost application (t3 super 60 garrett). I would appreciate any help possible.


      Modified by mkiii2.0jetta at 12:51 AM 12-22-2004


    34. 12-22-2004 01:02 PM #174
      what about using a odbII block? I've got a 98 gti that I'm thinking about doing a turbo hybrid on just want to know if there would be any problems useing the odbII block.

    35. 12-22-2004 09:09 PM #175
      what are peeps doing about the coolant flange on the front of the head??? it contacts the ABA non-AC waterpump/alt bracket.


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