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    Thread: lets get a ABA 16v Parts List/FAQ Thread going

    1. Member twicepardoned's Avatar
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      10-09-2007 11:22 PM #1251
      Quote, originally posted by vwpat »
      they can be plugged instead of welded. No, the 8v head does not have 5 and the 16v only has 2 and the other 3 cannot be "added."

      ??? maybe it was the wording, but I'm confused.
      The AEG block has how many oil passages, and the 16v head has how many???
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    2. 10-10-2007 12:00 AM #1252
      Yeah that confused me too.

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      10-10-2007 09:26 AM #1253
      Quote, originally posted by twicepardoned »
      ??? maybe it was the wording, but I'm confused.
      The AEG block has how many oil passages, and the 16v head has how many???
      The aeg block has 5 (like a 20v block and head) but the 8v head on an aeg only has 2 and a 16v head only has 2. The aeg headgasket covers the other 3. The middle 3 cannot be added to an 8v or 16v head and are not needed.

    4. 10-10-2007 09:31 AM #1254
      that is very cool.
      Thanks for the info.
      So similar to the 20/20, an AEG+ 16/20 would only require a head, pistons, and manifold, and a way to fit the aeg+ cam gear and cps on the the 16v head, correct?

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      10-10-2007 09:41 AM #1255
      Quote, originally posted by pwnt by pat »
      that is very cool.
      Thanks for the info.
      So similar to the 20/20, an AEG+ 16/20 would only require a head, pistons, and manifolds, and a way to fit the aeg+ cam gear and cps on the the 16v head, correct?
      yes, I would probably use the 9A rods also but not needed if they are 20mm pin rods. You could probably use the 20v cps bolted where the dizzy goes on a 16v.

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      10-10-2007 01:27 PM #1256
      Well the AEG doesn't have the dizzy so that should actually simplify the entire process for us MK4 guys.
      And unless there is something I'm missing we should be able to use stock pistons as well.
      If I decide to do this I'll make sure I check first and make an official post. Because only the MK3 guys have reported it for sure.
      Either way the 3 layer gasket should help clear it out.
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    7. 10-10-2007 06:49 PM #1257
      I think you're forgetting the cps, buddy. trigger wheel is in the cam gear

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      10-10-2007 07:15 PM #1258
      Quote, originally posted by pwnt by pat »
      I think you're forgetting the cps, buddy.

      Have you ever listened to Dane Cook's comedy tour stuff??? It's pretty funny, but he does a bit about guys calling each other out using terms like 'buddy', 'chief', 'pal' and finally 'gaylord'
      Anyway, it seems as if 'buddy' is used in that context here, I could be wrong
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      10-10-2007 08:16 PM #1259
      Quote, originally posted by pwnt by pat »
      I think you're forgetting the cps, buddy. trigger wheel is in the cam gear
      the 20v cps is on the end of the cam and fits the 16v dizzy "hole" in the head.

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      10-10-2007 09:05 PM #1260
      So that's the diffrence between 20 and 31... huh! hehehe jk
      So is there any custom mounting needed to be done to get that to stay in place?
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      10-11-2007 03:48 PM #1261
      Quote, originally posted by twicepardoned »
      So that's the diffrence between 20 and 31... huh! hehehe jk

      pwnt by pat got pwnt by pat...

    12. 10-11-2007 04:33 PM #1262
      Twicepardoned, buddy was used in the friendliest context. I love that skit though.
      I was thinking you skipped over the dizzy part. My bad

      I was just thinking:
      how does the 20v cps signal compair to 8v?
      Are the cam gears the same tooth count/will the 8v gear fit the 20v cam and key?


      Modified by pwnt by pat at 4:45 PM 10-11-2007

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      10-11-2007 05:48 PM #1263
      Quote, originally posted by pwnt by pat »
      Twicepardoned, buddy was used in the friendliest context. I love that skit though.
      I was thinking you skipped over the dizzy part. My bad

      I was just thinking:
      how does the 20v cps signal compair to 8v?
      Are the cam gears the same tooth count/will the 8v gear fit the 20v cam and key?

      Modified by pwnt by pat at 4:45 PM 10-11-2007
      not sure how they compare, probably comparable. different setups.

    14. 10-12-2007 10:20 AM #1264
      Sorry if i missed this i read half the pages in thread and it seems to go in circles.
      I have a 9a block with 2.0l 16v head. Im using digi11 right now and have the fuel rail injector seats, 4 bar fpr and adapter.
      I did a a full rebuild, changed everything on the 16v that needed to be changed, new oil pump with updated windage tray, water pump etc... i also put some TT cams in, the ones based off the abf, and a exhaust.
      I want to do a high compression 16 aba. What do I need other then a complete 2.0l block preferable a obd 1 motor with oil squirters etc..?
      I know I need the block off plate for the dizzy, a abf 16v timing belt or 150 tooth 1.8t, a automatic passat TB and some abf pistons off bahnbrenner or eurosport. What else?
      Do any of my pullies change?
      I have all new motor mounts in my car(mk2 golf) will these work with
      the aba block
      what engine management should I use? cis, obd1? obd2? digi 2?...?
      I would like to stay away from megasquirt or stand alone, I don't have tons of cash for dynoing it, but if i really have to i will use it.
      I have a shop near me that has a completly decked 1.8l 16v head. It's a head off a race car. PP, race cams,lifters, springs etc... If i mated this to the aba bottom end with the abf pistons would this car still be able to do Daily driver duties. Im not going to buy this but im just curious.
      Lastly what kind of power are we seeing in the high comp N/A any one have a dyno sheets.


      Modified by chekos at 9:22 AM 10-12-2007

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      10-13-2007 01:01 PM #1265
      Quote, originally posted by chekos »
      Sorry if i missed this i read half the pages in thread and it seems to go in circles.

      Yeah... I think the OP needs to update the first post to summarize the thread...

    16. 10-13-2007 07:46 PM #1266
      i am not sore if i should have stopped reading at the first post parts list but i would assume this is what you end up with if you drop the money and buy something new ?
      http://www.eurospecsport.com/2216V.htm
      i am looking to get something for my caddy n/a but what i want to know is if i purchased a complete tall block what are my options for engine mangement ?

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      10-14-2007 01:41 PM #1267
      DAmn!!! that shortblock seems like a smashing deal!

    18. 10-14-2007 02:12 PM #1268
      they sell the non performance modified for about $2500 and i think with it being brand new justifies the cost over building one
      but back to my question the 16valve can be used with a digifant system only ?

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      10-14-2007 02:53 PM #1269
      it can be run on pretty much anything from carbs, CIS, Digifant I or II, Motronic to standalone.

    20. 10-14-2007 04:16 PM #1270
      do you know off hand of anyone who used a similar set up
      http://vag-parts.com/catalog/p...ewith motronic or standalone in a mk1 rabbit, thanks trying to start getting a list of what parts can be ordered new or have to be sourced.

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      10-15-2007 01:35 PM #1271
      I'm putting an ABA/16vT in my rabbit as we speak, but am building it for boost. So far I'm up to about $1500 including turbo and manifold on a low mileage ABA block. I have about another 800-1000 dollars left of parts I need to pick up.
      Oh and I'm going to run MegaSquirt.
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      10-15-2007 01:41 PM #1272
      Quote, originally posted by dbl_yelo_rado3 »
      but back to my question the 16valve can be used with a digifant system only ?

      I think the main reasons we use the aba is because the 2.0L 16V is a little hard to find sometimes... OR we use the ABA to get the crank position sensor for newer oem motronic systems. Megasquirt does not need the CPS.

    23. 10-15-2007 02:08 PM #1273
      i finally got all the parts to start puting my engine together, i was able to get the 9a pistons from a 2.0 16v and the intermidiate shaft as well, i got the bushing from the dealer so i can use aba conecting rods, the only problem that i have now is, on the 9a pistons they have two notchs on he top(for valve clarence i guess), wich direction are they supost to point?? the intake side or the exhaust side?
      if any body could help me with this one i will really apreciate, as i say before i am on the final stage finally, after months of hunting for parts my quest is almost over, i want to take the time to thank every single person that has put any information in this specific forum, with out you people i wouldn't never know all the wonderful things the you can do with a volks wagen engine. thanks [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      10-15-2007 05:31 PM #1274
      Quote, originally posted by rabbitdecarlos »
      wich direction are they supost to point?? the intake side or the exhaust side?

      The notches go on the intake side because the intake valves are the ones that open on an angle... Good to hear you got everything you need! Keep us posted. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      10-15-2007 09:25 PM #1275
      quick question.
      why would you do an ABA 16V over a 9A 16v?
      I'm planning on buying a longblock PL 16V, but I'm curious as to why I should consider the ABA swap

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