lets get a ABA 16v Parts List/FAQ Thread going

[docterelliott]

doing this swap with abf pistons or equivilent, plus abf cams, and similar tuning, would this be an abf replica considering the block is aba or does the aba block keep it at a lower compression even with the abf cams?

eurospec sport has cast abf pistons but the displacement is 2.1. does this mean to use these you would have to bore the aba block?

[docterelliott]

where can you get the injector cups needed for this swap and what is the point of the block off plate? couldnt you just leave the crank case vent tube?

[Jones84]

The cups can be got at, Halsey Auto in portland, Or you can get them out of the wreaking yard. Just find a digi car and pull them.
Yes you can run the stock breather. I do on both my motors.

[docterelliott]

sweet thanks. has anybody been able to find the cast ABF pistons that eurosport spec sells? they sell them through dealers only like 034 and fourseasons but they dont carry them. also was it ever clarified if the stock ABF pistons will even fit since the bore is different than ABA?

[wayupnorth16vt]

i have a aba 16v turbo running obd2 aba management with a c2 stage 2 42# file t3t4 running 12 psi....its runs mint just real rich on acceleration and breaks up untill 3000 rpm once past 3000 it smooths out and pulls like it should....serious lag also untill 3500 help me out please!!!! could my single window shutter wheel be off a little?

[docterelliott]

thats something you would want to ask the forced induction thread

[wayupnorth16vt]

haha yeah figured id ask yall aba 16v people just seeing who knows what

[Jones84]

I have a question that I hope some one can answer for me, I have a 9A 16v running 12.1 comp. Its got JE pistons and IE rods. If I took the crank, rods, and pistons, put them in the ABA block what would the compression come out to????
Would it be to low with the 144 rods? Or would it be about right for a big ass turbo?? Just wondering.

[A2Carat]

I did some reading on this thread to about page 20 and it hasn't covered what I am looking for.. I am going to read the rest though, but in the mean time, I'll post my question anyway ..

I am going to put a complete 9A (already built for performance) in the Mk3 OBD 2. Obviously I need the crank sensor to run the TT chipped OE OBD2 computer. So, 034 sells a good 60-2 trigger wheel/sensor kit and am going to run that on the outside of the crank pulley. Question: how do you time the trigger wheel? What do the two missing teeth represent in the engine rotation?

Only thing I have read was that some shop somewhere does this all the time and they put the sensor 14 teeth from the missing teeth. Didn't say what direction or anything. Does anyone know? Haven't received much luck with emails from other VW tuning companies..

Thanks in advance ladies and gentlemen .. enjoy your weekends!

[Blens]

Thanks in advance ladies and gentlemen .. enjoy your weekends!

Although I don't have an answer for you

[A2Carat]

Although I don't have an answer for you

- got to acknowledge the fairer sex ..

.. and I can't seem to get an answer to my question anywhere .. weird.

[clashingtaco]

I have a question about using the BBM 16v kit. It says all you need other than the kit is the 16v head, distributor and manifolds. It makes it sound way too easy. All the other parts lists mention needing a throttle body and a whole slew of parts. Is BBM leaving details out to try to sell these kits?

Also, I found another 16v aba post and it has a different list of needed parts. Are these just two options of doing this? http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-to-16v-my-ABA

Sorry if these questions were already answered. My only internet access is my phone and waiting for 50+ pages to load is torture.

And just to clarify for me, do I only need the internal from the 16v distributor to put into the aba one(or the other way around, I can't remember which distributor is used right now)? Could I buy a distributor rebuild kit instead of a whole distributor?

I want to run the aba accessories and do this swap as easily as possible. The BBM kit makes everything sound so easy.
Also, I have a 1.8 16v scirocco head and a 9a head. Which is better to use?
Thanks!

[cabriosnap]

ok so obd1 block
aba pistons and rods
2.016v head

running mild/high boost and a small nitrous burst. wanting a lil lower compression. what head/block spacer am i wanting to use? going with kenetic brand if i can

[Jones84]

ok so obd1 block
aba pistons and rods
2.016v head

running mild/high boost and a small nitrous burst. wanting a lil lower compression. what head/block spacer am i wanting to use? going with kenetic brand if i can

Dude you don't want any lower comp.. I run that same set up, ABA stock, 2.0 head stock, and a t3/t4. the comp is like 8.5.1 its low.
I have put 30lb of boost to it with no problem. I ran 24lb every day for a wile. It was a wast as I could not get traction or get my clutchnet clutch to hook up. Right now it at 18psi all day every day.
If you build it right and use the right stuff like ARP to hold it all together and have a good EMS with a great tune you can boost the hell out of it and put NOS to it. You wont need to lower the comp any more, its going to work fine... It will be fun..

[cabriosnap]

woooord. this is going to be more of a touring build, so grabbing traction off the line really isnt at all my goal. but good to know i dont need to go any lower

as of right now, im going for a goal of 30psi consistantly. more to see if i can then anyhting else

[Jones84]

Wow 30psi, all the time?? What size turbo are you going to run?? Mine is set at 18psi for my day to day driving, I have run it at 25psi with out any problem. But I dont think i would do it every day. the only other thing i can tell you is finding a clutch that will hold that kind of power is going to be hard, I am not sure what tranny you are going to run. that was my biggest challange, finding a good clutch that wont break or slip.

[cabriosnap]

Wow 30psi, all the time?? What size turbo are you going to run?? Mine is set at 18psi for my day to day driving, I have run it at 25psi with out any problem. But I dont think i would do it every day. the only other thing i can tell you is finding a clutch that will hold that kind of power is going to be hard, I am not sure what tranny you are going to run. that was my biggest challange, finding a good clutch that wont break or slip.

lol this motor isnt going into a daily dude. this $hits coming out on the nice days only

Build details will be revealed once the build is done and in a car

[-RalleyTuned-]

What is the estimated final static compression when using:

ABA block
ABA rods
9a pistons
TDI crank
16v head (presumably stock)

And what else extra is needed machine work wise? I know the block will need to be clearanced for the crank. and sounds like the nose may need to be shortened...

[vwjettalikewhoa]

just for my own reference and anyone else that may need it

accessory v- ribbed belt needed for the following set up:
AEB crank pulley, INA lightweight WP, INA lightweight Alt pulley, w/ no AC & no PS

requires a 4/5/6pk 0990 or 4040390

[youni213]

i havea question regarding aba blocks. i read on here that 93/94 aba blocks have forged cranks and oil squirters. but i was told yesterday by someone else that only 95 aba's had the forged crank. i have a 94 aba jetta as a junker/parts car and i was gonna use the block along with a 1.8 16 valve head off my 89 gli. im about to rip the enigne out so i can junk the rest of the car but i dont want to remove the engine if i cant use it for the swap( i want to use the aba w/ a forged crank). so if anyone can send me on the right path to which aba engines are forged that would be great . thanks

[my2000APB]

can i run an obd2 aba / 9a 16v on mk4 aeg wiring harness and ecu?

[cabby85]

Here are all the parts i just took off/out my 2.0 16v. is this all the main parts i need for the swap other than timing belt, hoses, etc. Im more of a visual learner phuck reading haha

[JBETZ]

oil pump....

[leon whalen]

intake and exhaust manifolds

also contact bbm for necessary hybrid parts: serpintine pully, water flange spacer, digi injector cups etc......good luck with your build.

[SPECiAL_K777]

which trans would be best for the aba 16v setup? i heard 02j but would aba work if it was fully rebuilt with that performance diff from GAP?

[Pantherpro]

Can I use This combo, and what will I get whit?? :

ABA block
9a pistons and rods
16 v head.



Thanks a lot! I really need an answer, Saturday i have to decide i I buy 9A engine or ABA block i have already an 9A running but the actual crank is Kaput! i have to buy another block, What do you recommend?

[vwpat]

Can I use This combo, and what will I get whit?? :

ABA block
9a pistons and rods
16 v head.



Thanks a lot! I really need an answer, Saturday i have to decide i I buy 9A engine or ABA block i have already an 9A running but the actual crank is Kaput! i have to buy another block, What do you recommend?

you cannot use the 9A rods(with 9A pistons) in the ABA, they are 15 mm too short. You can use 9A pistons on ABA rods if you rebush them and they will yield ~9.2:1. for N/A, use the correct ABF style pistons.

[Pantherpro]

welll thanks a lot!!! if it where not for your answer I could make something wrong!!

So, what im going to use is:

ABA Block
9A Pistons
ABA Rods
ABA Crank
16v Head.

nice im excited!!!

[SPECiAL_K777]

so what happens with that annoying fuel distributor that the 16v has?

[LOS ARCOS BULLYZ]

this post is amazing
now i need some acvice for my future set up
i just want to make sure i am on the right way any correction
is appreciate
aba odb1 block aba pistons and rods this with a turbo set up
1.8 sprokets and pullyes
1.8 16v alternator 16v distributor
and aba distributor just to run the aba oil pump ? can let this ditributor there is this going to work ?
1.8t timing belt all this going to a 87 16v gti i just eed it to run this is what i already have
later i will be getting full enrichment better injector
now what a im missing ? thank for the help

[my2000APB]

what isthe verdict, ive heard that an obd 2 aba and 9a head will touch valves to pistons and ive heard they wont touch. what is the real answer

i also have a.9mm headspacer that i can run as well, or just double gaskets?

can i run a 16v 1.8L head on an obd2 2.0L aba?

ill be running it all on VEMS

[my2000APB]

what isthe verdict, ive heard that an obd 2 aba and 9a head will touch valves to pistons and ive heard they wont touch. what is the real answer

i also have a.9mm headspacer that i can run as well, or just double gaskets?

can i run a 16v 1.8L head on an obd2 2.0L aba?

ill be running it all on VEMS

????????????

[84MK1RabbitGTI]

Can an ABA ob2 block be used with a 16v head and keep the stock pistons? Or will I need clearencing for vavles??

Like machining the pistons or will they be fine?

[Kyle.]

wow, a lot of people need to READ before asking questions. Im pretty sure its been asked 1000000 times weather or not the 9A pistons will work in the aba block, or what the difference is between OBDI and OBD II ! READ, READ and READ some more....then if you're still confused, maybe this build isnt for you. Just my $0.02. I had compiled almost 20 pages of hand written notes from this thread and others out there before I purchased a single part towards my build. To the OP, great job on this, I tip my hat to you for answering the same question hundreds of times over and not losing you s**t !

[camilo226]

Whats up Vortex, I am selling mostly all of the 16v components to swap onto a 2.0 aba head. I was going to run this set up on my car. IF you have any questions 407-456-3609. Valve stem seals were put in. Cams were resurfaced the lobes were. Head needs to be resurfaced. I also have some other misc parts. I have two distributors. Some piston rings and some gaskets as well. I also have the valve cover.

















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