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    Thread: lets get a ABA 16v Parts List/FAQ Thread going

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      03-10-2005 09:48 PM #246
      Quote, originally posted by MeanDub98 »
      My question is can I somehow use Motronic from a 1998 with a fuel rail that fits the 16v intake runners? Thanks to German_muscle for giving me DOHC fever.

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    2. 03-10-2005 10:14 PM #247
      So for my 2.0 8v mkIII 16v head swap I would need:

      G60 throttle body
      16v intake manifold
      ABa16v timing belt
      16v idler what is a tensioner pulley ?
      16v oil pump
      16v oil pump drive
      16v water pump
      16v water pump pulley
      16v crank pulley
      16v alternator
      16v alternator pulley
      16v alternator belt
      intermediate shaft what is this piece?
      CIS fuel pump CIS?????
      CIS fuel filter CIS ???
      G60 fuel pump regulator
      16v spark plugs
      16v distributor
      16v spark plug wires
      TT distributor block off plate what is this ???

      Since I am planning on putting a supercharger on would it be good to put in 9A pistons and ABA rods.

      just beginning to understand how everything works under the hood so if there is anything here that is not needed or just dosent make since information on whatever it is would be greatly appretiated


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      03-10-2005 10:44 PM #248
      Or for the price of that rail you could just use a 50.00 setup from a 1.8t with some modding .

    4. 03-12-2005 01:40 AM #249
      You can use your mk3 accesories you already have rather than the 16v water pump, alternator, and idler/tensioner. The intermediate shaft is at the front of your block, just above the crank. You will see it once you get the covers off and start opening things up. it drives the oil pump. You don't need the TT blockoff plate unless this is going in an older car, you need the distributor blockoff plate from a 9A, as you will probably be using the distributor in the head. There are many ways to make this work. The G-60 throttle body must be from an automatic, or you can use an auto 16v passat one, but its harder to seal the oval inlet under boost.

      For meandub you are OBD 2. I would make an adapter plate or short runner manifold to use your OBD 2 throttle body, or even an OBD 2 VR6 throttle body.


      Modified by all-starr-me at 1:45 AM 3-12-2005


    5. 03-16-2005 09:02 AM #250
      Do you use a 16v or aba head gasket?

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      03-24-2005 11:59 PM #251
      bump for a good ass thread

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      03-25-2005 04:21 AM #252
      Quote, originally posted by blurplegti »
      Do you use a 16v or aba head gasket?

      They are the same.

      I have many of the parts needed to do this swap for sale (click on the link in my sig.), including a refurbished head, 9A intermediate shaft, and a brand new Bosch distributor unit.

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      03-25-2005 04:30 AM #253
      Quote, originally posted by biohazard2000 »
      So for my 2.0 8v mkIII 16v head swap I would need:

      G60 throttle body
      16v intake manifold
      ABa16v timing belt
      16v idler what is a tensioner pulley ?
      16v oil pump
      16v oil pump drive
      16v water pump
      16v water pump pulley
      16v crank pulley
      16v alternator
      16v alternator pulley
      16v alternator belt
      intermediate shaft what is this piece?
      CIS fuel pump CIS?????
      CIS fuel filter CIS ???
      G60 fuel pump regulator
      16v spark plugs
      16v distributor
      16v spark plug wires
      TT distributor block off plate what is this ???

      Since I am planning on putting a supercharger on would it be good to put in 9A pistons and ABA rods.

      just beginning to understand how everything works under the hood so if there is anything here that is not needed or just dosent make since information on whatever it is would be greatly appretiated


      Leaving the bottom end stock and putting on a 9A head will give you compression ratio of about 8:1. Might be best to just get forged pistons that will bring the compression ratio up to about 9-9.5:1.

      On the ABA motor, the distributor is located on the block. On the 9A motor, the distributor is located on the head. The TT block-off plate covers the hole in the ABA block where the ABA distributor would have been.

      I believe that you can use the stock fuel system and throttle body (might need to have an adaptor made though to fit it to the 9A intake manifold) from the ABA motor, as long as the ABA motor is OBD I. If it is OBD II then a few changes are required in order to use the stock fuel system.

      The intermediate shaft (which I have for sale, check out my sig.) has 2 gears on it. On one end, the intermediate shaft is spun by the timing belt (?), and on the other end is a gear that meshes with the oil pump gear.

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      03-28-2005 12:04 PM #254
      I know that an auto 16v passat throttle body has TPS on it. I was going to use the throttle body off of my 98 Jetta and just make some sort of adapter plate. Is it possible to plug the stock TPS harness from my throttle body into the one on the auto 16v passat? That would be much easier.

      Also I am planning on at least trying to use Mototronic 5.9 and getting someone to flash me a chip. But the fuel rail in a 98 jetta is part electrically driven and part mecahnical and the fuel rails made for 16v's are made for digi which is a fully electrical fuel system. Any suggestions. I live in an emissions controlled county so digi and stand alone are out of the question at least until i move.


      Modified by mkiii2.0jetta at 12:53 PM 3-28-2005


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      03-29-2005 02:14 PM #255
      Why is it necessary to run a g60 or auto 16v TB when doign an aba/16v swap into a Mk1 using digi1? Any info will be appreciated ThanskTim

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      03-29-2005 02:23 PM #256
      Corrado DIGI or California Cabby Digi1?
      Still, doesnt make sense to me why you'de have to.. What draws your question?
      The Mk3 ABA uses a TPS. The 16v does not. So, to use the 16v intake, you need a throttlebody to have TPS availability.. If you are doing an ABA bottom end and 16v head in a stock Ca. Cabby with Digi1, then no.. you dont need it...


      Modified by qwikxr at 2:26 PM 3-29-2005

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      03-29-2005 02:25 PM #257
      I am running digi1 rado with a 16v 5spd tb or j/g 8v tb 5spd

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      03-29-2005 02:34 PM #258
      If you are staying with DIGI1, then no, you can use what you have.. If you go standalone later, then you'll need the auto passat tb..

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      03-29-2005 02:36 PM #259
      Thanks man I really appreciate all your help. I am going tobe running digi1 in my 87 caby with a 16v and then boosting later once all bugs are out Thasnks again

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    15. 03-29-2005 10:50 PM #260
      Quote, originally posted by mkiii2.0jetta »
      Also I am planning on at least trying to use Mototronic 5.9 and getting someone to flash me a chip. But the fuel rail in a 98 jetta is part electrically driven and part mecahnical and the fuel rails made for 16v's are made for digi which is a fully electrical fuel system. Any suggestions. I live in an emissions controlled county so digi and stand alone are out of the question at least until i move.

      The fuel rail is the same setup for the 16v's, just take your injector wiring off the 2.0 and plug it into the new fuel rail and injectors. It uses a little different FPR but it hooks up to the same fuel lines, its the same system.


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      03-30-2005 07:01 AM #261
      Uhm.. what part of the fuel rail in the OBD2 Jetta is electronic??
      Other than the injector harness?

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      03-31-2005 01:02 PM #262
      This thread is just going in circles. If you are really serious about doing this setup, then I suggest you read the whole post. Most of the questions being asked now have been answered before on a different page of this thread.
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      04-04-2005 11:15 AM #263
      I have been trying to find someone to flash me a custom ship for my 16v head swap that i am doing but i havent found anyone that can do it. If anyone knows of anybody anywhere that can do chip tuning for Mototronic 5.9 and is preferably somewhere close to Atlanta, GA I would be very grateful.

      Oh ya and dont even suggest standalone because its an obd2 car in an emissions controlled county.


      Modified by mkiii2.0jetta at 11:17 AM 4-4-2005


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      04-04-2005 04:00 PM #264
      Quote, originally posted by Chris164935 »

      On the ABA motor, the distributor is located on the block. On the 9A motor, the distributor is located on the head. The TT block-off plate covers the hole in the ABA block where the ABA distributor would have been.

      AFAIK unless your talking about a different part, you use the stock distributor blockoff from a 9a where the aba dist. was and use the TT block-off plate where the aba breather was(or use the one by someone here forgot his name w/ comes w/ a barbed fitting to use to vent the crank case )


    20. 04-07-2005 04:12 PM #265
      Quote, originally posted by mkiii2.0jetta »
      I have been trying to find someone to flash me a custom ship for my 16v head swap that i am doing but i havent found anyone that can do it. If anyone knows of anybody anywhere that can do chip tuning for Mototronic 5.9 and is preferably somewhere close to Atlanta, GA I would be very grateful.

      Oh ya and dont even suggest standalone because its an obd2 car in an emissions controlled county.


      Modified by mkiii2.0jetta at 11:17 AM 4-4-2005

      I would contact C2 as jefnes has said he has a chip almost ready for obd2.


    21. 04-07-2005 04:15 PM #266
      Peter tong makes ABA blockoff plates for your breather with or without a barbed fitting, you only need one if its going into something older than a mk3.

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      04-10-2005 11:40 PM #267
      They told me that they wouldnt be able to do anything with mototronic 5.9 at C2. i already called them up and hit another dead end.

    23. 04-11-2005 09:41 AM #268
      for a 5.9 chip try collin @ tt tuning,I spoke with him a while back he said no problem just email all your specs n such.

    24. 04-14-2005 05:29 AM #269
      there is alot of stuff to read in this thread but i have a few quick questions you guys can prabably answer for me without me having to put my flame suit on (at least grabs helmet)

      right now i have a full xflow, 2.0T /w a k26/to4e 57trim .60/3 and its a little big for the 8v. instead of spending too much money to build up the 8v head (already got cam and springs+gear) i was going to do a 16v swap, possibly purchase one online already p&p...

      now for the questions
      which head would be best suited, 1.8 or 2.0? i have heard there are a compression difference between the two.

      as for pistons, mine are still stock right now, i would asume they would need valve reliefs to stay stock. i will be going with a set of new forged pistons while i got the motor out, possibly rods too. but when ordering a set of pistons from say ross machining, i would need to specify that its an aba built for a 16v head in order to recieve the correct product. i.e. the 8v/16v pistons would be different?

      other mics items. accessories can all be left the same, what timing belt needs to be ran?

      also what about my coolant lines, the xflow lines come off the side of the head, 16v's are different.


    25. 04-14-2005 07:50 AM #270
      posted else were with no results so i'll try in here was wondering the pros and cons of a aba 16v vs. ana 16v g60 going into a 90 corrado and charger needs to be rebuilt thanks

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      04-14-2005 01:11 PM #271
      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      there is alot of stuff to read in this thread but i have a few quick questions you guys can prabably answer for me without me having to put my flame suit on (at least grabs helmet)

      right now i have a full xflow, 2.0T /w a k26/to4e 57trim .60/3 and its a little big for the 8v. instead of spending too much money to build up the 8v head (already got cam and springs+gear) i was going to do a 16v swap, possibly purchase one online already p&p...


      I have a cleaned up 9a 16v head for sale (it hasn't been ported or polished, but it's been cleaned up, the valves have been reseated (and they are in good condition), the head has been decked, and the intake cam has been replaced with the euro cam (the intake cam from the ABF motor, I believe).

      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      now for the questions
      which head would be best suited, 1.8 or 2.0? i have heard there are a compression difference between the two.

      I don't think there is a difference in the compression. Both have roughly the same volume in the head chamber. Either head on the ABA motor will yield a compression ratio of about 8-8.7:1. The only difference between the two heads other than the engine code is that the 1.8L head flows better on the intake side and the 2.0L head flows exhaust better. But, with a port and polish, the 2.0L will flow just as well on the intake side also.

      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      as for pistons, mine are still stock right now, i would asume they would need valve reliefs to stay stock. i will be going with a set of new forged pistons while i got the motor out, possibly rods too. but when ordering a set of pistons from say ross machining, i would need to specify that its an aba built for a 16v head in order to recieve the correct product. i.e. the 8v/16v pistons would be different?

      You'd probably have to give them all the measurements of the head or whatever. But remember, putting on a 16v head will already give you a lower compression.

      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      other mics items. accessories can all be left the same, what timing belt needs to be ran?
      also what about my coolant lines, the xflow lines come off the side of the head, 16v's are different.

      Check the first post on the first page.
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      04-14-2005 01:14 PM #272
      Quote, originally posted by raguturbo »
      posted else were with no results so i'll try in here was wondering the pros and cons of a aba 16v vs. ana 16v g60 going into a 90 corrado and charger needs to be rebuilt thanks

      Don't know much about the "ana 16v g60", but I do know a little bit about the ABA. With the stock pistons and 16v head, you already have a lower compression ratio, thus, you can run a turbo setup without going forged internals (with reasonable boost and tuning of course). Also, the ABA crank has a smaller center of rotation, which makes it more rev friendly.
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    28. 04-14-2005 03:45 PM #273
      ok i dont see where it says how to keep your serp setup...

      basically the timing belt on the 16v is 6mm wider, so the serp crank pulley will need to be milled down 6mm right? and then i'll need the 2.0 16v oil pump and intermediate shaft so that the timing sproket will be wide enough for the belt.

      why do i need a 2.0 16v oil pump? i thought the pumps were the same, but the two (16v and 8v) were just driven differently? 16v by the int. shaft, 8v by the dist. in the block?

      i already have the block off plate, so dont i only need the int. shaft, and then there is some gear that sits in there


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      04-14-2005 04:35 PM #274
      Quote, originally posted by biohazard2000 »
      So for my 2.0 8v mkIII 16v head swap I would need:

      G60 throttle body NO
      16v intake manifold
      ABa16v timing belt
      16v idler what is a tensioner pulley ?
      16v oil pump
      16v oil pump drive
      16v water pump
      16v water pump pulley NO
      16v crank pulley
      16v alternator NO
      16v alternator pulley NO
      16v alternator belt NO
      intermediate shaft what is this piece?
      CIS fuel pump CIS????? NO
      CIS fuel filter CIS ??? NO
      G60 fuel pump regulator NO
      16v spark plugs NO
      16v distributor NO
      16v spark plug wires
      TT distributor block off plate
      Since I am planning on putting a supercharger on would it be good to put in 9A pistons and ABA rods.

      just beginning to understand how everything works under the hood so if there is anything here that is not needed or just dosent make since information on whatever it is would be greatly appretiated


    30. 04-14-2005 05:24 PM #275
      ok so i'll need...

      16v head...
      my aba block
      have my pully machined 6mm (serp crank pulley)
      new arp studs ? mine are 8v
      coolant hoses dunno what ones?
      int. shaft
      already have the block off plate
      2.0 16v oil pump

      and thats it to mate it onto the block?

      with forged pistons, i can get the stock CR in forged and get 8:1 cr?

      then i'll need a 16v turbo manifold, and a shorty, use my 2.0 TB and...


    31. 04-14-2005 10:37 PM #276
      ment aba 16v g60 vs. aba 16v turbo sorry

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      04-15-2005 01:11 AM #277
      Quote, originally posted by raguturbo »
      ment aba 16v g60 vs. aba 16v turbo sorry

      ...Don't think there is a difference, unless the ABA 16v g60 is the supercharged motor? I don't really understand what you're asking. Is the ABA 16v g60 a motor that people have put together? Because all ABA motors have 8 valves. So, if the ABA 16v g60 is another Frankenstein motor, then I would say there are many differences between them. The most obvious being the supercharger. But there's also a wide range of things that can make them different besides their method of induction, such as which 16v head is used (the one from the 2.0L or the one from the 1.8L), the pistons used (either stock ABA pistons or stock 9A pistons, or forged pistons), and the crankshaft (many people use the TDI crank to increase the stroke).
      But, I believe, if you use the 2.0L 16v head with 9A pistons on an ABA block (with motronic fuel system?), had a Euro intake cam installed, and used the 50mm intake manifold, then you have the ABF motor. I think. Don't remember if this is 100% true...so don't quote me on it.


      Modified by Chris164935 at 1:43 AM 4-15-2005
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      04-15-2005 01:36 AM #278
      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      ok i dont see where it says how to keep your serp setup...

      Quote, originally posted by German_Muscle »
      If your wanting to run MK3 Accessories here is what you need.
      MK3 Tesioner Bracket
      MK3 Alternator
      ABA Crank Pulley-needs to be machined down
      Non Power Steering Kit
      Power Steering Kit


      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      why do i need a 2.0 16v oil pump? i thought the pumps were the same, but the two (16v and 8v) were just driven differently? 16v by the int. shaft, 8v by the dist. in the block?

      I've heard that you can use the 8v oil pump from some and that you can't from others. I don't really know which to believe, so to be on the safe side, I would just go ahead and get the 16v oil pump as well. They are pretty cheap used (if you can find one).


      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      ok so i'll need...
      16v head...
      my aba block
      have my pully machined 6mm (serp crank pulley)
      new arp studs ? mine are 8v
      coolant hoses dunno what ones?
      int. shaft
      already have the block off plate
      2.0 16v oil pump

      If you're going for any kind of race application, you'll want head studs. I think you have to use 16v head studs though.
      I'm sure you can easily run the stock ABA coolant hoses to the head...I haven't seen anyone mention any problems about it yet.
      The intermediate shaft HAS to be from a 2.0L 16v motor (9a engine code). The 1.8L intermediate shaft, gear, and intermediate shaft pulley are a bit different and would have to be machined in order to work with the ABA motor.
      If you use the block-off plate, you'll have to use the distributor from the 16v head, as well as 16v spark plugs. It is possible to use the ABA distributor though, but you'll have to find a way to block off the distributor spot in the 16v head (but I think it looks lame anyway having a dumby distributor just sitting on the head).
      You'll also need gaskets. You will also need to figure out what fuel system you have so that you can determine how to set it up.


      Quote, originally posted by the4ork »
      with forged pistons, i can get the stock CR in forged and get 8:1 cr?

      With completely stock internals in the ABA block, you will get a compression ratio of about 8-8.5:1 when you put on the 16v head. If you don't want to shell out money for forged pistons but want to bring the compression ratio back up to about 10:1, you'll have to install 2.0L pistons (from the 9A engine code). As for forged pistons, you can have whatever you want. All you have to do is give your manufacturer some specs and what compression ratio you want the motor to have. Obviously, a lower compression ratio is better for turbo applications.
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      04-15-2005 10:53 AM #279
      Quote, originally posted by Chris164935 »
      If you don't want to shell out money for forged pistons but want to bring the compression ratio back up to about 10:1, you'll have to install 2.0L pistons (from the 9A engine code).
      9A pistons have a lower compression height than the correct (ABF) pistons and when the rods are rebushed (21mm to 20mm ) they result in an ~9:1 compression.

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      04-15-2005 11:57 AM #280
      You dont have to use the 16v oil pump or the intermediate shaft. What you do HAVE to do is use the gear off of the 16v intermediate shaft on a aba intermediate shaft.

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