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Thread: Eric ... Winter Wheel/Tire Package Question.

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    10-04-2004 08:38 AM #1
    You sold my wife a winter wheel tire package for her New Beetle last year. She did a -1 for the winter wheels, and the package was 16" BBS VZ wheels with Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 tires.

    Her car is a front wheel drive 1.8T with automatic transmission. She thought that the wheels looked great, and the tires were fantastic in the snow! Not that we had all that much snow last year, by the way.

    As I drive more, I would like better mileage out of the tires. However, the WS-50 tires still look brand new after one season.

    I'm also going to get the BBS VS wheels, and likewise do a -1 from my 17" wheels to to 16" wheels for winter.

    I am considering the Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 and Dunlop Winter Sport M3.

    A neighbor bought the LM-22s for his Cadillac last year from you guys, and he thought that they were great, too.

    I was previously leaning towards the Blizzaks. However, I see that the Winter Sport M3 tires are the recommended tire from all German auto manufacturers, and they are also the tire that is in the recommended package for my car. So, I'm leaning in that direction now.

    My car is 6-speed, '03 Audi A4 Avant 3.0 Quattro.

    Any comments on the Winter Sport M3 or Blizzak LM-22?

    I read http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...2.jsp, which is a few years old and includes the Winter Sport M2, rather than the M3.

    Thanks!


    Modified by Cooper at 1:16 PM 10-4-2004


  2. 10-10-2004 09:27 PM #2

    There are two snow tire categories:

    1. Low Speed Rated Winter Tires, like the Blizzak WS-50, begin
    with deeper tread depth, have softer rubber compositions, softer
    sidewalls and on the plus side grip in deep snow and especially
    ice much better that Performance Snow Tires, they just don't
    handle on dry roads as well.

    2. Performance Snow Tires, like the Blizzak LM-22/LM-25 and
    the Dunlop WS M2 & M3, start life with less tread depth and
    use a different rubber composition. The design standpoint of
    these tires are focused more toward more "spirited" driving.
    These tires provide less of a drastic transition from your per-
    formance tires to snow tires. They will be much much better
    than an all-season tire in snow and slightly better on ice but
    are in no way manner shape or form comparable on ice or deep
    snow.

    The decision has to be yours. I cannot give any conclusive numbers
    of a softer rubber tire that starts with more tread depth verses a
    tire that starts with less tread depth and because has a higher "fun"
    factor on dry roads, likely means you'll push the right pedal more &
    the tires may suffer accordingly, ....meaning I doubt that one tire
    type has a mileage advantage, or vise a versa.

    I say pick the tire's characteristics that best suit your intended desire
    or focus. The WS-50 is an awesome tire. But, the best is relative,
    sometimes relative to the particular certain cars and/or drivers very
    specific and particular needs. Example: The not so very Gti that I
    drive goes in snow with Pirelli H Speed rated Performance Snows.
    I drive that car pretty aggressively. I prefer handling and know
    what I'm giving up and willing to make that sacrifice. However if
    my wife were going to drive that same car, because we are different
    "style" drivers, to make her be and feel more confident on the slippery
    stuff, then I'd run WS-50's.

    I've got Customers that run WS-50's on R32's, S4's and E46 M3's.
    Others with the same cars run the more performance stuff. Since
    I don't drive your car like you do, nor live where you do, I'll always
    help as much as I can, but ultimately, it's your decision to make.

    Quite honesty that part of the decision is the hardest part. Once
    that is out of the way, if you decide to go for a performance oriented
    snow tire there is really not a bad one of the bunch. The numbers
    are so close to each other.

    As far as old gen vs. new gen tires, part of that whole thing is IMHO,
    partly competition, the Jones trying to keep up etc. The "old" LM-22
    or the LM-25 vs. the M2 or the M3's, ...all are great tires, especially
    in comparison to an all-season tire. I personally don't think there is
    a "bad" snow tire, or that one stands out above the rest, except
    WS-50's. The rest of them are all great snow tires. I may be wrong
    about this but for the most part, I think the Germans pick the Dunlops
    because they are manufactured in Germany: One they're easier to get,
    and two helps with German economy, German jobs etc. But Porsche
    also recommends other Snow tire manufacturers, not just Dunlops. I'll
    say this with some accuracy, they are as good as, not superior to
    other brands of snow tires. Just pick one for whatever reasons work
    for you and as as you already know, once snows are on your car,
    you'll never go back and even more importantly, at that point,
    then you have enacted the full effect and meaning of Quattro.

    .




    Modified by Eric @ TIRE RACK at 9:43 PM 10-10-2004


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    10-12-2004 04:15 PM #3
    Eric,

    Thanks!

    I went with the Winter Sport M3 after giving it a lot of thought.

    I mentioned you in the "notes" section.


  4. 10-18-2004 01:54 PM #4
    Thanks SO much !!!

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