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    Thread: A list of Motor Oils for the R32: Updated 1/22/07

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      12-07-2004 12:05 AM #1
      There are so many topics on who makes motor oils for the R32, so I figured I would create a list with all of the ones I have found. If you have one that I missed, please let me know. These are all synthetic oils that I have listed and, as far as I know, have met the VW specification (VW 502) for motor oil. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will tell me.

      All Oils Listed are Synthetics
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    2. Motul:
      8100 Ester E-Tech 0w40
      8100 Ester E-Tech 0w40 Technical Data Sheet (PDF)
      8100 X-cess 5w40
      8100 X-cess 5w40 Techincal Data Sheet (PDF)

    3. Redline:
      Redline 5W-40 Synthetic
      Synthetic Oil Product Data (PDF)

    4. Amsoil:
      Synthetic 5w40 European Engine Oil

    5. Mobil1:
      Mobil1 0w40 with SuperSyn

    6. Valvoline
      Valvoline SynPower 5W-40
      SynPower Technical Data Sheet (PDF)

    7. Castrol:
      Castrol Syntec 5w40 (PDF)

    8. Shell:
      Shell Helix® Ultra 5W-40
      Technical Data Sheet (PDF)

    9. Pentosin:
      Pentosynth 5W-40 (Sold by ECS Tuning)

    10. Liqui-Moly:
      ilsengineoils4strokecarfullysynthetic" TARGET="_blank">Lubro-Moly Vollsynthese 5W40
      Technical Data Sheet (PDF)

    11. Agip:
      Synthetic PC 5W-40

    12. Kendall:
      Kendall GT-1 5w40 (PDF)

    13. Elf:
      Elf Excellium LDX 5w40 - (Sold by German Auto Parts and by PAP-Parts)
      Technical Data Sheet (PDF)


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      Technical Data:

      :::::::::::::::::::::: Pour pt/Flash Pt/TBN/Visc@40C&100C/VI/NOACK
      Motul 0W-40:::::: -60C / 438F / 10.8 / 73.2 & 13.3 / 186 / 9.8
      Motul 5W-40:::::: -39C / 442F / 10.3 / 83.1 & 14.0 / 173 / ?
      Pentosyn 5W-40: -48C / 464F / --?-- / 90.0 & 14.0 / 160 / ?
      Amsoil 5W-40:::: -59C / 449F / 12.2 / 83.6 & 14.5 / 182 / 5.5
      Liqui-Moly 5w40: -41C / 446F / 9.5 / 92.0 & 14.8 / 168 / 7.0
      Mobil1 0w40::::: -54C / 456F / --?-- / 80.0 & 14.3 / 187 / ?
      Shell 5w40::::::: -42C / 402F / --?-- / 76.3 & 13.8 / 187 / ?
      Valvoline 5w40:: -39C / 446F / 7.0 / 89.0 & 14.5 / 170 / 10.0
      Redline 5w40:::: -45C / 480F / 7.0 / 94.0 & 15.1 / 170 / 6.0
      Kendall 5w40:::: -46C / 450F / 10.1 / 84.5 & 14.3 / 175 / ?
      Elf LDX 5w40::::: -41C/ 438F / 10.4 / 86.5 & 14.2 / 170 / ?

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      Thanks to Eddie from the Audi Club of NA, I have attached an Audi TSB that lists all VW 502.00 spec'd motor oils in the world. Note that a lot of these oils listed in the attached document are not available in the US.

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      - Anthony

      Updated - 1/22/07

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    15. 12-07-2004 12:22 AM #2
      Of course I'll bite

      1. There is a 0W-40 Motul (exact name I'll repost later unless someone else does first).
      2. Pentosyn 5W-40 (very good stuff; ECS tuning sells it)
      3. Lubro-Moly 5W-40 and I believe a 0W-40 too (I'll check that later too)
      4. Castrol 0W-30 ("Red Top"; German made; hard to find)
      5. Pennzoil Synthetic 5W-40 (I don't recommend since others are better)
      5. Quaker State Synthetic 5W-40 (I don't recommend since others are better)

      There are maybe a few more. Good idea as a thread!

      Anthony, I initially did not see your last paragraph. The Valvoline 5W-40, Castrol 5W-40, and the Shell 5W-40 all use Group 3 basestocks. Yes, the latter is suprising, but true. The product safety data sheets show this but you just have to know what # sequences correspond to what the base oil's group # is. I have that info. at my house that I can dig up if you want. The Shell also has not shown good oil analysis results. That was surprising, but the proof is in the pudding. #'s 1,2,3 on my list have performed very well (in oil analysis). So has the Valvoline.




      Modified by groftja at 5:38 AM 12-7-2004


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      12-07-2004 12:25 AM #3
      Quote, originally posted by groftja »
      Of course I'll bite

      1. There is a 0W-40 Motul (exact name I'll repost later unless someone else does first).

      I believe that is the 8100 I have listed above

      Quote »
      2. Pentosyn 5W-40 (very good stuff; ECS tuning sells it)
      3. Lubro-Moly 5W-40 and I believe a 0W-40 too (I'll check that later too)

      I'll get some links and add those too, as long as they meet the VW specs

      Quote »
      4. Castrol 0W-30 ("Red Top"; German made; hard to find)

      I want to keep this to a 40 weight oil.

      Quote »
      5. Pennzoil Synthetic 5W-40 (I don't recommend since others are better)

      I checked Pennzoil, and they list a 5w40, but under the tech sheet they don't list one, so I omitted it,

      Quote »
      5. Quaker State Synthetic 5W-40 (I don't recommend since others are better)

      I checked quaker state, and I don't beleive it had the VW specs, thus why I didn't list it.

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    17. 12-07-2004 01:15 AM #4
      Sticky Thread homeslice?

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      12-07-2004 01:46 AM #5
      I'm surprised nobody has listed VW's "own" oil (actually Castrol but has VW part number, G052167A2, available from your local stealership, Impex, and others). It's Castrol 505.01 (VW spec and also the oil's name), 5W-40, imported (rear label is in German), and is the "proper" oil for our motors. There has been some discussion in the past about whether this is a full-synthetic oil or a semi-synth.. seems to me I read something that lead me to believe it's semi-. Anyone know definitively?

      I just had my 10k service done, and my oil appears a bit overfilled. I have a a feeling I know why - this oil is in one LITER bottles - our cars take 5.8 quarts of oil w/filter change. If you dump in 6 quarts, you're very close. 6 liters? Now that's enough overfill to really show up.. I have a feeling that's what they're doing.


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      12-07-2004 02:16 AM #6
      gr8 thread, thanx Anthony!

    20. 12-07-2004 08:44 AM #7
      Hey Anthony, great list. I use AGIP Synthetic PC 5w40 and meets all of VW's R32 engine requirements. I think I paid about $60 for a case of 12 quarts. HAve used AGIP oils and lubes before and they are excellent. Once again, meets ALL of the VW requirements.

    21. 12-07-2004 08:46 AM #8
      Royal Purple also has a 5w-30, which is what I'm running now.. Although it doesnt 'meet the specs', it works wonders and I've had 2 tanks out of 3 where I got 380 miles on moderate to light driving.. That other tank was 320 on hard driving

    22. 12-07-2004 08:54 AM #9
      So I guess using Mobil 1 5w-30 is no good?

      Seems like 40 weight is a must?. I would like to know before I do my first 5k oil change (which I am already due for).


    23. 12-07-2004 10:01 AM #10
      Quote, originally posted by KevinC »
      I'm surprised nobody has listed VW's "own" oil (actually Castrol but has VW part number, G052167A2, available from your local stealership, Impex, and others). It's Castrol 505.01 (VW spec and also the oil's name), 5W-40, imported (rear label is in German), and is the "proper" oil for our motors. There has been some discussion in the past about whether this is a full-synthetic oil or a semi-synth.. seems to me I read something that lead me to believe it's semi-. Anyone know definitively?

      You are right that the 505.01 Castrol is semi-synthetic. The 506.01 spec oils are full synthetic and I'd hate to see what they cost and I'm sure it would be tough to locate them. They fascinate me though. The oils that meet either of those specs have some mystery ingredient that resists very high-pressure contact wear that is seen in the valvetrain of the new PD diesel engines. By the way, what is your stealership charging for the 505.01 Castrol?


    24. 12-07-2004 10:03 AM #11
      Quote, originally posted by ShearSup »
      Hey Anthony, great list. I use AGIP Synthetic PC 5w40 and meets all of VW's R32 engine requirements. I think I paid about $60 for a case of 12 quarts. HAve used AGIP oils and lubes before and they are excellent. Once again, meets ALL of the VW requirements.

      I did not list AGIP since I figured it could not be found easily enough in the U.S. but it is supposedly a great oil as you said. You are paying a good price too. Where do you get it?


    25. 12-07-2004 10:09 AM #12
      Quote, originally posted by Shamma1977 »
      So I guess using Mobil 1 5w-30 is no good?

      Seems like 40 weight is a must?. I would like to know before I do my first 5k oil change (which I am already due for).

      The 5W-30 has shown good oil analysis results in the 1.8T despite not meeting the specs. The only way to know for the 3.2l engine would be try it and have the oil tested. But it seems simpler to me to just find one of the excellent oils listed above and not worry/wonder. Plus the dealership and VOA will like you better if you use an oil meeting the specs. If you race, I would not recommend the 5W-30 at all due to the already low viscocity getting even lower at elevated engine temps.


    26. 12-07-2004 10:18 AM #13
      I ordered it online through American AGIP's U.S. division. Just set up an account with them. Mine came out of their Cabot, Pa center. Salesman was good also. He sent me a card in the mail and if you like, I'll send you his name.
      One thing I liked about using this oil is that there are no questions as to whether it meets the requirements which some of the other oils people are using meet one or the other or none of them. I'm just trying to stay in the safe....

    27. 12-07-2004 10:55 AM #14

      Awesome thread... I have my first oil change coming soon. Need to decide on an oil.


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      12-07-2004 11:07 AM #15
      Just so all the good info is in one thread, here's what the owner's manual says about oil:

      Quote, originally posted by VW R32 Owner's Manual, section 3.2 p. 35 »

      Engine Oil

      Specifications and viscosity

      Your engine was factory filled with an all season high quality engine oil that has a viscosity grade of SAE 5W-40. You can use this oil over all temperature ranges for normal driving. If you need to add oil between oil changes use any high-quality petroleum- or synthetic-based oil with correct specifications. If engine oil viscosity grade SAE 5W-40 is not available, you can also use SAE 5W-30.

      To assure that the oil you use is of the highest quality required by your vehicle the following terms must appear on the oil container singly or in combination with other designations:

      - VW 502 00
      - ACEA A3

      General recommendations

      VOLKSWAGEN recommends that you use any synthetic-based oil as a replacement lubricant as long as it meets the vehicle manufacturer's specification listed in this booklet.

      Synthetic oils available today provide better engine lubrication which can outlast traditional petroleum-based oils - making a smart choice for use throughout the life of your new VOLKSWAGEN.

      If SAE 5W-40 or 5W-30 viscosity grade oil is not available in your area, be sure to always use a viscosity grade suitable for the climate and seasonal conditions that exist where the vehicle is being operated. Always make sure that the oil meets the quality standards listed above.

      Your authorized VOLKSWAGEN dealer has the most up-to-date technical information regarding the correct oi [sic] specification and viscosity for your engine. Always ask your Service Advisor about the correct oil to use when topping off your engine.

      Engine oil identification symbol

      Oils of proper quality or your vehicle will be identified with a new "starburst" symbol A. The starburst symbol indicates that the oil has been certified by the American Petrolium Institute (API).

      Another oil identiciation symbol B could be added to the oil container to help you select the correct oil.

      1 - The top portion indicates the oil quality by API designations.

      2 - The center portion shows the SAE oil viscosity grade.

      3 - The lower portion indicates that the oil has fuel saving capabilities.

      Note

      Look for one of these symbols on the front of the oil container, and use only oils that display these symbols.


      So to sum up, the advice seems to be:

      * Meeting those two specs (VW 502 00 & ACEA A3) is mandatory.

      * Viscosity: while 5W-40 is preferred, 5W-30 is also okay, as is any viscosity that's "suitable for the climate and seasonal conditions that exist where the vehicle is being operated."


      Modified by krzysztof at 9:44 AM 12-7-2004


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      12-07-2004 11:13 AM #16
      Quote, originally posted by groftja »

      Anthony, I initially did not see your last paragraph. The Valvoline 5W-40, Castrol 5W-40, and the Shell 5W-40 all use Group 3 basestocks. Yes, the latter is suprising, but true. The product safety data sheets show this but you just have to know what # sequences correspond to what the base oil's group # is. I have that info. at my house that I can dig up if you want. The Shell also has not shown good oil analysis results. That was surprising, but the proof is in the pudding. #'s 1,2,3 on my list have performed very well (in oil analysis). So has the Valvoline.

      Modified by groftja at 5:38 AM 12-7-2004

      Excellent info. I must not have read the data sheet correctly for the shell oil. I'll fix the original paragraph. If you could find that info and post it here, I am sure many of us would find it helpful.

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    30. 12-07-2004 11:31 AM #17
      Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VWvortex »

      Excellent info. I must not have read the data sheet correctly for the shell oil. I'll fix the original paragraph. If you could find that info and post it here, I am sure many of us would find it helpful.

      - Anthony

      Here are the CAS # descriptions:

      The following information is from a professor named “Molakule” who posts on http://www.bobsitheoilguy.com. You can use this info. to determine the type of base oils used by looking at an oil Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS). Group 4 and 5 is what you’d like to see.

      As of July 15, 2004

      Mineral Paraffininc Base Oil - 64742-54-7; VI of +94 to 120, any group # from 1 to 3.

      Mineral Naphthenic Base Oil - 64741-96-4; VI of -15, any group # from 1 to 3.

      Mineral Aromatic Base Oil - 64742-03-7; VI of -185, any group # from 1 to 3.

      Hydrotreated paraffininc, heavy - 64742-52-5, Group 1, 2, or 3
      Hydrotreated paraffinic, light - 64742-53-6, Group 1, 2, or 3

      PAO's (Group 4 oils): 68649-12-7, 68037-01-4, 163149-29-9, 151006-63-2, 151006-62-1, 151006-60-9. VII's of +155 or greater.

      Diester (Group 5 oils): 28472-97-1; VII's average +170.

      Viscosity Index Copolymers - 127883-08-3

      Additives:
      ZDDP Type Adds: 68649-42-3, XXXXX-46-6.


      As of October 21, 2004
      New CAS Numbers for Group III oils

      Hydrocracked hydroisomerized Group III
      178603-64-0,
      178603-65-1,
      178603-66-2

      Edit, added bold letters


      Modified by groftja at 4:56 PM 12-7-2004


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      12-07-2004 11:39 AM #18
      Great!

      I added the Agip oil, and I also removed two of the Motul oils as they specifically say not to be used in VW 502 engines.

      This list is looking great!

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      12-07-2004 11:40 AM #19
      Quote, originally posted by Mr. Ginster »
      Nice post, we needed this. I'm running the Motul Specific, my dealer uses it. I'm due for my first change with it and I'm gonna stick with it, no complaints, seems to hold up nicely...I also like that it says VW Specific right on the bottle and the fact that my dealer uses it, in the highly unlikely case anything ever did happen.

      That's what I thought too, it says VW 500 and 505.01, but in the description it says "not to be used with VW 502 engines". I have removed it from the list...

      Whether or not this actually means anything.....

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    33. 12-07-2004 12:32 PM #20
      What is our oil capacity? How much should we order?

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      12-07-2004 12:36 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by cfberlin »
      What is our oil capacity? How much should we order?

      6 quarts.

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      12-07-2004 01:00 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by groftja »
      By the way, what is your stealership charging for the 505.01 Castrol?

      I think it's either $5.95 or $6.95. They charge $59.95 for an oil change - an absolute bargain, given the cost of the oil & filter. On my first oil change they itemized the oil & filter and backed in the labor cost, which came out to like $4 and change.


    36. 12-07-2004 01:09 PM #23
      Why such a limited range of viscosity's? If you live south FL, AZ or etc. you could run Mobil 1 15-50 (ACEA A3 rated) The manual does say use a viscosity grade suitable for the climate and seasonal conditions that exist where the vehicle is being operated.

    37. 12-07-2004 01:25 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by drew2fast »
      Why such a limited range of viscosity's? If you live south FL, AZ or etc. you could run Mobil 1 15-50 (ACEA A3 rated) The manual does say use a viscosity grade suitable for the climate and seasonal conditions that exist where the vehicle is being operated.

      XW-40 weight oils have proven to be thick enough to prevent additional bearing wear and other wear at high temps and high loads (verified via oil analysis by many people). So going to Mobil 1 15W-50 has no benefits, mostly just negatives. It also has lots of ZDDP which leaves behind more deposits that lead to detonation and the extra ZDDP innactivates catalytic converters sooner.


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      12-07-2004 01:49 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by groftja »

      Here are the CAS # descriptions:

      Damn... CAS Numbers. You da man! All the chemists (including me) appreciate that!

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    39. 12-07-2004 01:55 PM #26
      What is ZDDP? Other then ZDDP what other negatives do claim would be the result of a higher viscosity? I don't think we have proven xx-40 weight oils to be thick enough, but VW has. In fact it is in the manufactures best interest to specified the lightest viscosity that will provide a reasonable service life.

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      12-07-2004 02:07 PM #27
      Anthony I have been using 0w-40 Motul 8100 Excess Ester E-Tech since my first oil change. I have been very pleased with the results (fairly clean after 3500 miles of hard driving, no to very little consumption) I realize that it is most likely in my head but the engine seems much smoother. I have been ordering mine from LTB motorsports. Just keep in mind when ordering, and filling that the containers are liters not quarts. (Close but not a 1 to 1 relationship).

    41. 12-07-2004 02:26 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by drew2fast »
      What is ZDDP? Other then ZDDP what other negatives do claim would be the result of a higher viscosity? I don't think we have proven xx-40 weight oils to be thick enough, but VW has. In fact it is in the manufactures best interest to specified the lightest viscosity that will provide a reasonable service life.

      ZDDP is zinc dialkyldithiophosphate. It is the primary anti-wear additive. Each new U.S. oil standard tries to lower the amount due to its negatives and replace it with more and more of a substitute. The negatives of a 15W-50 Mobil are:
      1) More startup wear, even at warm temps.
      2) Less gas mileage and slightly less hp
      3) More volatile (evaorates quicker) than Amsoil 5W-40 in spite of being thicker

      The proof of xW-40 being thick enough is in the analyses on the bobistheoilguy website that you can study for yourself. 50 weight oils are generally only good for bearings that are very worn (large gaps).


    42. 12-07-2004 02:47 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by groftja »


      1) More startup wear, even at warm temps.
      2) Less gas mileage and slightly less hp
      3) More volatile (evaorates quicker) than Amsoil 5W-40 in spite of being thicker

      The proof of xW-40 being thick enough is in the analysis on the bobistheoilguy website that you can study for yourself. 50 weight oils are generally only good for bearings that are very worn (large gaps).

      More start up wear even in warmer climates is false. Higher viscosity's have higher residual lubrication values. The actual or physical viscosity of a 15 weight oil can be less then a 5 weight if there is a large temperature differential. Less gas mileage and less HP maybe, but there are other factors in the design of the engine which will determin the ideal viscosity. If an engine is designed for a higher viscosity then their will be less gain from switching to a lower viscosity. I would like to see proof of your claim #3, which in my opinion is BS. BTW my contact at Mobil says less zinc in the heavier weights then the lighter and the primary extreme pressure additive in Mobil 1 is sulfur. I have known about Bob for years, he's getting there, still needs more testing and research.


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      12-07-2004 03:44 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VWvortex »

      That's what I thought too, it says VW 500 and 505.01, but in the description it says "not to be used with VW 502 engines". I have removed it from the list...

      Whether or not this actually means anything.....


      Hmmmm, could somebody help me out with this? If the dumbass dealer reffered me to the wrong oil, I will be quite pissed...


    44. 12-07-2004 04:01 PM #31
      Someone posted that their dealer charges $59.95 for a synthetic oil change. The one in Tallahassee charges $80.

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      12-07-2004 04:08 PM #32
      Quote, originally posted by Mr. Ginster »


      Hmmmm, could somebody help me out with this? If the dumbass dealer reffered me to the wrong oil, I will be quite pissed...

      From Motul:

      SPECIFIC 505.01 5W40

      Volkswagen Gasoline and Diesel engine oil
      Technosynthèse

      TYPE OF USE
      Specially designed for cars powered by Volkswagen Turbo Diesel engine (unit injector).
      Suitable for all types of VW gasoline (except VW 502 00) or Diesel engines, using leaded or unleaded gasoline and Diesel fuel.

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      12-07-2004 04:47 PM #33
      Anthony: great work. I'm always impressed with the content of your threads and your excellent presentation. Keep it up.
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      12-07-2004 06:00 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by Anthony@VWvortex »

      From Motul:

      SPECIFIC 505.01 5W40

      Volkswagen Gasoline and Diesel engine oil
      Technosynthèse

      TYPE OF USE
      Specially designed for cars powered by Volkswagen Turbo Diesel engine (unit injector).
      Suitable for all types of VW gasoline (except VW 502 00) or Diesel engines, using leaded or unleaded gasoline and Diesel fuel.


      Yeah, thanks Anthony, I read that...sounds like my dealer needs an edumacation.


    48. 12-07-2004 06:43 PM #35
      i just wnet ot my local stealership and they did NOT have any oil to sell me and told me to just go buy any 5w 30 at a local auto parts store.

      now i am confused. is 5w 30 wrong? and no i have not read my manual yet!!

      help


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