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    Thread: DIY: Cracked oil dip stick! Why you are having problems! Pics inside!

    1. Member vasillalov's Avatar
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      01-03-2005 04:21 PM #1
      Hi all,
      Me and my buddy took a small (1 hour one way) trip to the nearest dealership to pick up some parts for his B4 Passat and for my Jetta. I also took a test drive in the 2005 GLI 1.8T.

      Anyway, I own a 1999.5 2.0 and ever since I got the car the orange dipstick tube was broken at the top next to the engine cover. It did not bother me for the last year or so since I really did not see any problems with it. Not to mention that it is a common thing at least the 2.0 engines and noone seems to have problems with it...

      Yesterday. I was checking the oil (you can never be too carefull) and noticed that there was some oil sludge on the dipstick. I have never seen oil sludge on my dipstick before and this worried me. I took a closer look and I found out that there was a hairline crack in the orange dipstick tube barely visible but big enough for moisture to get through!

      So I got an new dipstick tube.

      For the 2.0 engine the part number is 06A 103 663 C. It cost about $7.00 from the dealership.

      Replacement is pretty straight forward:

      1. Remove engine cover.
      2. Pull dipstick out.
      3. Pull the dipstick tube and reinstall the new one.


      The reason why I am writing this is becase I think I have found the reason why the dipstick tubes break so easily. This is because there is a coolant hose that passes right next to the dipstick and heats it up quite a bit:

      As a result from that, the normally strong plastic becomes very soft, inflexible and prone to brittling and cracking. I washed my old dispstick tube and here is how it looks like after 64K miles:

      Notice the color difference! The region with the color change is right next to the coolant hose! When you press on the discolored portion, the plastic bends very easily and you can literally hear it crack under the slightest pressure. If you press down on the normal part of the dipstick tube it is hard, strong, does not bend and does not crack!

      So go pick up a new dipstick tube from your dealer and replace it. You will minimise the amount of moisture entering your oil pan and also prevent any plastic pieces from falling into the oil pan!

      Good luck!

      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-03-2005 05:12 PM #2
      Nice - I'll have to remember to check that once in awhile.

      Khyron


    3. 01-03-2005 05:50 PM #3
      mine came broke believe it or not on my vr6

    4. 01-03-2005 06:22 PM #4
      The one on my 1.8t broke down where it connects to the metal tube. Guy at the parts dept. said its a common purchase.

    5. 01-03-2005 07:12 PM #5
      Nice find Vasil! That coolant hose is definitely causing it to break.

      Can the hose be moved over slightly so that it doesn't contact the guide tube? Or maybe put a small piece of foam in between the two so that they stay separated enough to keep the guide tube from heating up so much in that area?

      Gary


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      01-03-2005 07:16 PM #6
      Gary,
      I think that it will be relatively easy to move the coolant hose little fither to the left. The problem however is that the little plastic clamp that keeps the hose in place is simply not strong to prevent it from returning to its original position. Not to mention that the hose is pre-shaped so it will be even harder to keep it in place.

      I am thinking that a good round of insulation tape wrapped around the dipstick tube will help.

      The heated part realy looked and felt as if you burnt it with a pocket lighter.


      Modified by vasillalov at 7:21 PM 1-3-2005

      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

    7. 01-03-2005 07:16 PM #7
      also a crack in the dipstick tube will cause a vaccum leak and most likely cause a horrible idle.

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      01-03-2005 07:22 PM #8
      Quote, originally posted by DubAdicted »
      also a crack in the dipstick tube will cause a vaccum leak and most likely cause a horrible idle.


      Interesting. Why whould that be? Is there any vacuum on the oilpan? I mean, I know the oil pump is getting the oil from the oil pan but vacuum?

      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

    9. 01-03-2005 07:39 PM #9
      Quote, originally posted by vasillalov »
      Interesting. Why whould that be? Is there any vacuum on the oilpan? I mean, I know the oil pump is getting the oil from the oil pan but vacuum?

      PCV system

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      01-03-2005 10:15 PM #10
      ttt
      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-04-2005 01:07 AM #11
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      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-04-2005 07:47 AM #12
      Nice find man. I will look at it asap.

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      01-04-2005 08:58 AM #13
      06A 103 663 C is for engine code AZG and AVH (2.0)
      for the 1.8T AWP it is 06A 103 663 B
      if you need the number for your specific engine IM me with year model engine and engine code

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      01-04-2005 12:01 PM #14
      Quote, originally posted by 71sbeetle »
      06A 103 663 C is for engine code AZG and AVH (2.0)

      I also worked for my 2.0 AEG engine code. I am assuming they are the same at least for the 2.0 engines....

      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-04-2005 07:49 PM #15
      yes you're right sorry I forgot to add AEG

    16. 01-04-2005 07:51 PM #16
      Thanks! Nice little tip/info. there!!!

      -Wes


    17. 01-04-2005 09:31 PM #17
      I actually think the sleeve is universal.....1.8T and 2.0 Jetta, golf cabrio, passat even ABA engines

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      01-04-2005 09:33 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by CorradoG60 »
      I actually think the sleeve is universal.....1.8T and 2.0 Jetta, golf cabrio, passat even ABA engines

      nope they're not

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      01-04-2005 09:40 PM #19
      the 06A 103 663 B will also fit AWW and AWD
      the 06A 103 663 is for ALH
      Diesel (1.9L TDI 90hp) is 038 103 663
      24V is a long tube (IM me for part number but I think its metal so it shouldnt be a problem)

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      01-04-2005 09:45 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by 71sbeetle »
      the 06A 103 663 B will also fit AWW and AWD
      the 06A 103 663 is for ALH
      Diesel (1.9L TDI 90hp) is 038 103 663

      See that's the thing. Although they have different part numbers, it is the actual sleeves look the same. They are just stamped differently and are interchangeable.

      I am running a TDI thermostat in my 2.0 and it works like a charm. The part numbers were different only in the first 3 letters.

      Also, most of my engine part numbers for the 2.0 AEG start with 06A which makes me think this is engine code information.

      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
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      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-04-2005 09:52 PM #21
      trust me ... they are different

      06A is for external 4 cylinder parts

      does this look like your 2.0 dipstick ? I didnt think so


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      01-04-2005 09:59 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by 71sbeetle »
      trust me ... they are different

      06A is for external 4 cylinder parts

      does this look like your 2.0 dipstick ? I didnt think so

      Actually it does! It is absolutely the same!
      I don't mean to start a war here. But this is my 2.0 dipstick sleeve! The little part that sticks out of it plugs to the bracket mounted at the intake mani...


      Modified by vasillalov at 10:01 PM 1-4-2005

      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-04-2005 10:01 PM #23
      1.8T :

      2.0 :

      and the one above is from a TDI


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      01-04-2005 10:03 PM #24
      Now that clears it..
      On the little pic from impexfap it looked the same.

      So I guess the difference is how the dipstick sleeve attaches to the intake mani bracket..

      Good job!

      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
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      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-04-2005 10:04 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by vasillalov »

      Actually it does! It is absolutely the same!
      I don't mean to start a war here. But this is my 2.0 dipstick sleeve! The little part that sticks out of it plugs to the bracket mounted at the intake mani...


      Modified by vasillalov at 10:01 PM 1-4-2005

      lol actually that piece extends parallel to the tube, the 2.0 version extends perpendicular to the tube I've had all 3 in my hand and trust me they are different (yes when I started to work in the parts dept I was the one stocking all the stuff ... and a VW part number is a VERY VERY smart thing ! the center 3 numbers are the category numbers, the first 3 change depending on model/year etc and 3 last digit + letters/numbers are the actual part # and if applicable color code


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      01-04-2005 10:05 PM #26
      Quote, originally posted by vasillalov »
      Now that clears it..
      On the little pic from impexfap it looked the same.

      So I guess the difference is how the dipstick sleeve attaches to the intake mani bracket..

      Good job!

      yes
      and as you can see the 1.8T has a bend in it

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      01-04-2005 10:08 PM #27
      Cool cool!
      I think this deserves the stickie...Lots of info on this thread
      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
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      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-04-2005 10:22 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by vasillalov »
      Cool cool!
      I think this deserves the stickie...Lots of info on this thread

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      01-05-2005 07:51 PM #29
      Bump for those who missed the discussion yesterday...
      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device which exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

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      01-06-2005 06:08 PM #30
      Um.... Now I see why VW put metal funnel on the VR oil dipstick

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      01-06-2005 06:20 PM #31
      thanks!
      Great info
      I'm making a trip out to inspect now

      Another annoying little VW~ism

      cheap easy fix, but still I wonder how many others can be affected


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      01-06-2005 11:21 PM #32
      actually I looked at mine on my 1.8T today ... no coolant hoses go by there, so it doesnt have that problem on a 1.8T (AWP with 5 speed at least)

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      01-20-2005 01:56 PM #33
      Very good idea Mr. Lalov. My dipstick tube also has sludge on top. And even if I had wondered where it came from, and wiped it off once or twice, I thought it is normal. Man it is dirty with small dust and grime around the rubber there.

      Kakto i da e wse pak ne mislq che e tolkowa major issue taq trybichka. W momenta az tyrsq info za MAF + ISV na mojta kola taka che pak cheta. Kato e studena kolata, Idle e po-malko ot kolkoto beshe, i se kolebae pri startirane. No wie ste maniak, Mr. Lalov, w dobria smisal na dumata, shte prodalzhawam da cheta twojte DIY kogato dojda

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      01-20-2005 02:03 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by DubAdicted »
      also a crack in the dipstick tube will cause a vaccum leak and most likely cause a horrible idle.

      Dang! I was just wondering about an issuei with my car when cold : the idle is lower than what I remember it to have been ! And the car starts hesistantly in the morning. Sooo--that tube thingie could be it! Hmm better run to the nearest dealership... Or maybe it's pointless, since it happens only when the car is cold, it does not relate to that vacuum leak etc. )

      [edit:] actually I just checked my dipstick tube. there was oil around the top and grime + sludge in the hole with the rubber which is embedded in the engine soundproofing cover. So I wiped that off, but I am wondering why was it there. Because I did not notice a crack in the dipstick tube. I pushed it from the inside out, a little sideways, and still no visible crack. The engine cover is also not oily itself so grime is not coming from the top... only around the dipstick tube. So does it simply come through the top of the tube? When putting the dipstick back, it does not seal the tube properly? .. that's what I'm wondering, if it happens to everybody.

      Engine was AVH and the radiator hose was indeed passing right next to the tube.


      Modified by sisisee at 1:44 PM 1-20-2005


    35. 05-17-2006 11:38 PM #35
      i have the 1.8t and had to replace mine the other day cause it's been cracked for a little while. it wasn't too difficult, i had to carefully break it apart with a screwdriver and a hammer so as to not let any plastic fall down in there. after i got it off i had my g/f and her small hands put the new one on! gotta love that!

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