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    Thread: Haldex HPP info to pour over for you folks who like graphs and such.

    1. Member rabbitgtibbar's Avatar
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      01-07-2005 02:17 PM #1
      Just got my aluminum finish HPP from EIP. Here's is a scan of the first page of the instructions that came from Haldex. Do with it what you will.

      http://www.pifiu.com/vortex/up...h.jpg

      I'm linking it because I'm leaving it full sized, so you guys can plot and interpret to your hearts' desire.

      EDIT - I, of course, meant pore over.


      Modified by rabbitgtibbar at 2:40 PM 1-7-2005

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    2. 01-07-2005 02:27 PM #2
      Quote, originally posted by rabbitgtibbar »
      so you guys can plot and interpret to your hearts desire.

      how true, fuel for the friday fire


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      01-07-2005 02:32 PM #3
      Thanks for the info. It looks like it doubles the tourqe at the rear wheels in the given example and brought it on much quicker.
      Would the person who took the step ladder yesterday please bring it back or further steps will be taken

    4. 01-07-2005 02:48 PM #4
      Its amazing how a picture is worth a million words. Thats the best explanation of the haldex system i've seen yet. More torque to the rear wheels and its gets there faster than stock. Thanks for the graph

    5. 01-07-2005 02:54 PM #5
      Lucky bastard!
      I want mine damnit!

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      01-07-2005 03:00 PM #6
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      01-07-2005 03:03 PM #7
      I just noticed the box has a label that reads:

      Street version

      I wonder...is there a "Track version"? Hmmmm...

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      01-07-2005 03:11 PM #8
      8 big ones huh...jeez...

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      01-07-2005 03:20 PM #9
      Hey, can we get a pic of the aluminized finish? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE?
      Yeah, yeah, we get it. No, really, we do. We're all really impressed.

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      01-07-2005 03:23 PM #10

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      8 big ones huh...jeez...

      I always though "big ones" = $1000.


      Modified by rabbitgtibbar at 3:24 PM 1-7-2005

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    11. 01-07-2005 04:05 PM #11
      Ok 8 medium sized ones and worth it a twice the price

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      01-07-2005 04:22 PM #12
      Quote, originally posted by rabbitgtibbar »
      I just noticed the box has a label that reads:

      Street version

      I wonder...is there a "Track version"? Hmmmm...

      Actually, if I remember correctly, there is a version that locks up during heavy braking also, that may be the race version....its on the website somewhere, I'll look it up.

      Yeah, yeah, we get it. No, really, we do. We're all really impressed.

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      01-07-2005 04:25 PM #13
      Quote, originally posted by NismoManRB26 »
      Actually, if I remember correctly, there is a version that locks up during heavy braking also, that may be the race version....its on the website somewhere, I'll look it up.

      Though, I'm curious what the advantage of that would be?

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      01-07-2005 04:34 PM #14
      Just in case it isn't obvious given that those two graphs are on different vertical scales, here's one overlayed on the other.

      How many words is that picture worth?

      It is a bit weird that one graph spans 14 seconds and the other 15,
      because other than that the engine torque curves overlay on top of
      each other almost *exactly*. So much so, I left it out of
      the comparison.

      ian


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      01-07-2005 04:46 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by Daemon42 »
      How many words is that picture worth?

      My new favorite number:

      Eleventy billion.

      /Actually it took me a minute to notice that, too. I thought, "Great, it comes on sooner." Then, I realized it comes on sooner and stronger.

      Quote, originally posted by Daemon42 »
      It is a bit weird that one graph spans 14 seconds and the other 15...

      They both span 7 seconds. One from 8-15, the other 7-14.


      Modified by rabbitgtibbar at 4:52 PM 1-7-2005

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      01-07-2005 04:55 PM #16
      Quote, originally posted by rabbitgtibbar »

      They both span 7 seconds. One from 8-15, the other 7-14.

      Ah there we go. Knew I was missing something.
      Saw 14 tick marks and never bothered to look at the left side of the scale.

      ian


    17. 01-07-2005 04:56 PM #17
      dammm i want HPP soo bad

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      01-07-2005 05:02 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by ARRR Matey 32 »
      dammm i want HPP soo bad

      EIP has some aluminum finish ones left, and plenty of blue ones, AFAIK.

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      01-07-2005 05:09 PM #19
      I've been looking at that comparison.. thinking.. "Wow, that's really
      dramatic.. but it doesn't *feel* like twice the torque transfer of stock."

      But it occurs to me now, that that graph was made at an earlier
      time for a different car, probably the Volvo S60, and I suspect that
      the difference between stock and HPP is not as great for the R32. The
      Haldex programming in the earlier Audi TT's and I suspect the Volvo
      is less aggressive than it is for the TT3.2 and R32. Folks can feel the
      difference on the road, and see it react differently on an AWD dyno.
      Even a stock R32 Haldex ECU should represent an upgrade to an older
      TT225q. My suspicion is that the stock R32's torque transfer curve
      looks a lot like the stock one above, but with a considerably higher
      torque transfer limit.

      ian


    20. 01-07-2005 05:48 PM #20
      I spoke with EIP this morning and put down $$$ for mine--oh yes. They said they have only a few of the silver-finish ones left. Good luck to those in the hunt.

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      01-07-2005 06:11 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by rabbitgtibbar »

      I always though "big ones" = $1000.

      Nah... That would be "bigguns."

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      01-07-2005 06:14 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by Daemon42 »
      I've been looking at that comparison.. thinking.. "Wow, that's really
      dramatic.. but it doesn't *feel* like twice the torque transfer of stock."

      But it occurs to me now, that that graph was made at an earlier
      time for a different car, probably the Volvo S60, and I suspect that
      the difference between stock and HPP is not as great for the R32. The
      Haldex programming in the earlier Audi TT's and I suspect the Volvo
      is less aggressive than it is for the TT3.2 and R32. Folks can feel the
      difference on the road, and see it react differently on an AWD dyno.
      Even a stock R32 Haldex ECU should represent an upgrade to an older
      TT225q. My suspicion is that the stock R32's torque transfer curve
      looks a lot like the stock one above, but with a considerably higher
      torque transfer limit.

      ian

      Perhaps the stock R32 torque transfer curve would fall somewhere in the middle of the two overlayed curves above?

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      01-07-2005 06:31 PM #23
      QBNR32 has my car currently and drove my car yesterday in the wet... needless to say, he was VERY impressed with the car.
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    24. 01-07-2005 08:51 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by disc »
      I spoke with EIP this morning and put down $$$ for mine--oh yes. They said they have only a few of the silver-finish ones left. Good luck to those in the hunt.

      Why would you not want the blue ones? We have blue break callipers, springs, etc. and at least my car is blue, so the HPP, if I had the money to spend on it, would of course be blue.
      What's the point of it being alluminum? To try to fool the dealer into thinking the car wasn't modded?

      Ronald


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      01-07-2005 08:52 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by BLUL8N »
      To try to fool the dealer into thinking the car wasn't modded?

      Ronald

      Bingo.

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    26. 01-07-2005 08:53 PM #26
      How's the gas mileage been affected by those who got the HPP?

      I asked this before, but no answers, which makes me wonder if you now go to the gas station twice as often

      Ronald


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      01-07-2005 08:55 PM #27
      I'll let you know after I install it. Right now I only average about 290/tank.
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      01-07-2005 08:58 PM #28
      Depends entirely on how you drive.
      Mash on the gas a lot, and mileage will be less than stock.
      Cruising on the highway it's no different than stock.

      ian


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      01-07-2005 09:59 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by Daemon42 »
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      Haldex programming in the earlier Audi TT's and I suspect the Volvo
      is less aggressive than it is for the TT3.2 and R32. Folks can feel the
      difference on the road, and see it react differently on an AWD dyno.

      It seems like I recall reading somewhere long ago that the Haldex programming for the R32 was indeed more aggressive than previous Audi TTs...possibly in an early European review of the R32 or even the TT 3.2 DSG?

      Mike

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    30. 01-07-2005 11:50 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by rabbitgtibbar »
      Bingo.

      Oh yeah like the dealer is going to know that the haldex ecu is supposed to be finished aluminum and not blue, they have worked on so many R32 haldex ECUs before


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      01-08-2005 12:00 AM #31
      They cost the same, so why risk it?
      Descartes thoughtlessness was the bane of his existence.

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      01-08-2005 12:02 AM #32
      Quote, originally posted by geremy »
      Oh yeah like the dealer is going to know that the haldex ecu is supposed to be finished aluminum and not blue, they have worked on so many R32 haldex ECUs before

      And I'm sure it'll blend right in with all the other blue parts on
      the bottom of the car.

      ian


    33. 01-08-2005 02:21 AM #33
      Quote, originally posted by rabbitgtibbar »
      They cost the same, so why risk it?

      Risk what? I don't get it, is your car borrowed?


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      01-08-2005 09:50 AM #34
      Quote, originally posted by 03GLIDude »
      Risk what? I don't get it, is your car borrowed?

      Risk any of the BS dealers might give for having "performance enhancing parts on your car."

      Descartes thoughtlessness was the bane of his existence.

    35. 01-08-2005 12:33 PM #35
      uh why does it matter what color the parts are where you nor anyone else will ever see them. Save the money and get your head checked instead.

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