1.8T Engine into B2/B3/B4 Frame

[speeding-g60]

Quote, originally posted by vagrant_mugen »

reach me here or on motorgeek for 4cyl/B3 questions.

i have been IM/posting both places with ya

[Mardak]

Lots of good info in this thread, thanks!!!

Ok, here's my question. I have a euro 1Z TDI engine that I'd like to swap into my newly acquired (and formerly owned!) 90 CQ (w/ a butchered 10vt swap). I'm assuming I'll need the same engine mounts/brackets that a 1.8T swap will need right?

Will the stock CQ quattro tranny work with the 1Z TDI? How about clutch/flywheel/pp?

Thanks for any info!

Later,

Mark.

[speeding-g60]

not that i know anything about this (YET), but its my understanding the VAG 4 cyl motors bolt right upt o the 01A/01E trans....

and yeah, i am guessing the same 1.8T/ABA/16V mounts, unless you are going to fab your own like i am going to .

and as for the FW/PP/clutch, i was told for mine, AEB motor, to use the 228mm Audi A4 B5 clutch setup. to match both the trans output splines for the disc, and the bolt pattern for the flywheel....

[Mardak]

Quote, originally posted by speeding-g60 »

and yeah, i am guessing the same 1.8T/ABA/16V mounts, unless you are going to fab your own like i am going to .

Thanks for the info. Want to fab up an extra set of mounts and sell them to me?

PM me if you're interested...

Thanks,

Mark.

[Issam Abed]

1Z? take pictures of the passenger side and drivers side bosses for me.

[Mardak]

Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD »

1Z? take pictures of the passenger side and drivers side bosses for me.

Yup, a 1Z. It's from a transverse application (as far as I know), sourced from Europe. I'm not sure where/which bosses are used on the accessory side of the engine - here's a crappy cell phone pic (will take a better one when I have my digi camera with me):

Where does the engine mount go for a longitudinal application?

...and the other side:

Thanks!

Mark.

[Issam Abed]

You have to build BOTH motor mount brackets

[Mardak]

Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD »

You have to build BOTH motor mount brackets

Didn't Europe get a B3 TDI? I wonder how close the block is to the 1Z? Maybe mounts are already out there for this swap...

Another quick question - I noticed on other gasser transverse to longitudinal swaps the oil pan, oil pump pickup, and oil filter housing (more?) need to be swapped out for the longitudinal setup. I'm assuming I have to do the same. Anyone know if I can use non-TDI parts for this?

Thanks!

Mark.

[Issam Abed]

Quote, originally posted by Mardak »

Didn't Europe get a B3 TDI? I wonder how close the block is to the 1Z? Maybe mounts are already out there for this swap... Another quick question - I noticed on other gasser transverse to longitudinal swaps the oil pan, oil pump pickup, and oil filter housing (more?) need to be swapped out for the longitudinal setup. I'm assuming I have to do the same. Anyone know if I can use non-TDI parts for this? Thanks! Mark.

Hi Mark,
I am looking for the mounting boses on your block but I do not see them
As for the non-TDI oil pan and pick up?Any Audi 80 2.0E pan will work.

[lucas13dourado]

damn this thread is full of awesome!!!!!!!

[Audi90sportQ]

Ok so quick question, i have a B4 1995 90 quattro. If i get a AEB b5 1.8t engine i would need what engine mounts specifically? and i would used the flywheel and clutch from the AEB to mount to my 01A?

[edgy]

I have a complete AMU (225hp 1.8t) from a TT - aside from the obvious (manifolds, possibly oil pan), what kind of problems am I looking at when swapping it into a B3? From what I can tell, most everyone has used a 1.8t from a Passat or A4 for this swap. Any insight would be appreciated.


Modified by edgy at 4:13 PM 12-28-2008

[speeding-g60]

manifolds, and you will need a B5 oil pan from a passat/A4.... the AMU is internal water pump, engine code 06A. so a longitudinal oil pan is one thing, another is the oil pump pickup tube. its shaped different for longitudinal vs transverse.

the clutch setup i am not sure on, dont know much about the TT. if it has the same 15/16" 23 spline input shaft for the trans, the whole clutch setup from the TT should work. if not, then you will need 4 cyl Audi 1.8T clutch stuff.

starter you will need from B5 A4 1.8T as well, if it follows the VW starter placement for transverse cars vs longitudinal mounted cars.

thats about all i can think of for hardware.... but again, i dont really know what trans is in the B3, i am doing the swap into a Coupe Quattro.... but 01A and 01E have both 4 and 5 cyl patterns on the bellhousing....

one last thought? i recall reading somewhere the pressure output of the PS pump may be different as well. i did not pay too close attention to it as i switched over to a manual rack and ditched all power stuff.


Modified by speeding-g60 at 9:23 PM 12-28-2008

[quattro85]

Awesome thread!
From one week I'm thinking to make a toy from one of my old Audis -85 Coupe Quattro (Euro version with 2.2liters NA engine). I'm planning 1.8T conversion for 2 reasons - I really like how smooth power is delivered from my current A4 , and I want this feeling from such a toy. And second I think the car will become more accurate with less weight in the front part (lighter 4cyl engine instead of old 5cyl). The main goal is to make this car ready for next winter snows.
As I understand from this thread, it won't be so hard to this conversion except one thing - I want to keep early style Quattro system with open center diff and ability to lock it manual at 100% for more fun on snow So I don't want to go with newer TORSEN 01E tranny. Any ideas on how to do this?



Modified by quattro85 at 11:04 AM 1-25-2009

[edgy]

Quote, originally posted by quattro85 »

I want to keep early style Quattro system with open center diff and ability to lock it manual at 100% for more fun on snow So I don't want to go with newer TORSEN 01E tranny. Any ideas on how to do this?

Then just use your current transmission.

[quattro85]

I'm afraid it is not possible - what I understand from previus posts bolt pattern on my transmission (from 5cyl engine) will not match pattern on A4/Passat AEB engine.

[speeding-g60]

01A/01E has dual pattern bellhousing for 4 and 5 cyl motor. i think you must have 093? thats about my knowledge extent of the older chassis.

and welcome

[edgy]

Ah, my confusion, sorry. Looks like you'll have to get the newer 01A/01E type and do some custom differential installation work. I have to imagine someone, somewhere has either already achieved this or failed miserably and will be able to tell you why.

[speeding-g60]

i cant really pop too many pictures here, as mine is pretty much a one-off setup. but here is a couple of my Coupe/20v swapping adventure. its all custom, i like building stuff.....

i am doing all custom mounts and everything including an 01E trans setup. so i wont be of much help there for anyone....

[zerb]

this is the hottest schit on poortex right now. period.

[speeding-g60]

and its too bad that this little post here is all thats gonna see it. MAYBE the drag forum when i get some slips and it wont be ME who puts it up in the id=27 1.8T whine-room, either....

BUT: to those looking at this that doesnt know WTF is up with MY car, you do not by any means have to take these steps to do this swap. its actually pretty painless compared to my stuff. i am just doing it to a way different level, you see.

[zerb]

oh dont you worry, once i post up in id=27....youre build will be LINKED, lol

[AWDAudi]

Does anyone know how to get parts ordered from a European dealer. I am putting an AEB in my 80q and need part numbers:

8A0 199 307 F = LEFT engine mount bracket
8A0 199 308 J = RIGHT engine mount bracket

Thanks for the help...

[edgy]

I would usually say VAGParts, but they're gone.

Anyone have a good replacement for them?

[speeding-g60]

ask the OP of this thread, i am sure he can help out...

i get stuff from Europe (England) thru Mike @ audibits2@aol.com

and i get all the stuff from Germany thru a friend in Berlin.

[edgy]

http://www.quattrocorner.com/index.htm

[AWDAudi]

Thanks guys. I was able to get them and will post my project thread on Motorgeek soon enouph!

[_Val]

A4 clutch isn't compatible with European Inline-4 Quattro 4000 gearbox

[slayer00]

Will a 1.8t bolt upto a v6 trans?

[Dub_in_Rio]

Here is what I'm doing:

I have a 1990 audi 90 (B3) auto NG 10v (I took the trans out already)

I need to find out what trans I have to get in order for my 9a engine to bolt up to, what subframe to use, and mounts. I know that the 3a and 9a short block are identical, so that problem would be solved easily.

is there a laundry list someone can come up with for me?

[Sleepy_Steve]

Neat thread, for some reason I think this is more appealing than keeping the old 10v motor when it dies.

I've been browsing through the hybrid / swap section since i found this. But I'm apparently being a big dumb when it comes to the search feature. LOL 2 character limit.

If I were to do it when the 10v goes out, I think I'd see about setting it up for MegaSquirt. But I'm still trying to grasp which motors are which and which ones were offered in longitudinal form. Guess i need to do more reading still.


Modified by Sleepy_Steve at 6:47 PM 10-26-2009

[boost_addict]

ABK bracket i got does not bolt to an AEB BLOCK at all on passanger side..

PASSANGER SIDE

for 9a and 3a and ABA block the ABK bracket will work on passanger side..

for AEB and 06a block you need the ADR bracket from a 20v 1.8l NA FROM CARBIO ONLY for passanger side


DRIVER SIDE
9a, 3a, aba are 3 hole mounts
the ABK driver side will work with AEB block. and 06a 4 hole block

i have tried these brackets myself.. i have this info my own work so i thought i would share

ABK driver side on an AEB block, 4 bolt mount same for 06a

[boost_addict]

ABK driver side mount.. 4 bolt block ( AEB Pictured, also fit 06a)


these are the differences in bolt patterns for the passanger side..

Orange holes are Aeb block and o6a block from ADR Cabrio mount
Purple holes are for aba block and older, this is the ABK passanger side mount

[Saimir0202]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...B2-B3-B4-Frame

[boost_addict]

adr comes on a carbio in europe with a 20v 1.8 Na and it is a b4 hood fatory. so it does work.

adr from a b5 a4 will not work, must be from cabrio only on the ADR mount