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    Thread: 1.8T Engine into B2/B3/B4 Frame

    1. 02-16-2009 09:46 PM #126
      and its too bad that this little post here is all thats gonna see it. MAYBE the drag forum when i get some slips and it wont be ME who puts it up in the id=27 1.8T whine-room, either....
      BUT: to those looking at this that doesnt know WTF is up with MY car, you do not by any means have to take these steps to do this swap. its actually pretty painless compared to my stuff. i am just doing it to a way different level, you see.


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      02-16-2009 10:24 PM #127
      oh dont you worry, once i post up in id=27....youre build will be LINKED, lol
      ||-Audi 90Q-||-2L-||-6765-||-LugTronic-||-10.7@136-||-33psi-||-255 street tires-||-2800lbs-|

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      02-17-2009 08:53 PM #128
      Does anyone know how to get parts ordered from a European dealer. I am putting an AEB in my 80q and need part numbers:
      8A0 199 307 F = LEFT engine mount bracket
      8A0 199 308 J = RIGHT engine mount bracket
      Thanks for the help...

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      02-17-2009 09:10 PM #129
      I would usually say VAGParts, but they're gone.
      Anyone have a good replacement for them?
      '01 225 TTR, stg. 2
      '01 S4, stg. 3
      '05 A4 USP, stg. 1½
      '88 80 quattro, stg. 4.2

    5. 02-17-2009 09:39 PM #130
      ask the OP of this thread, i am sure he can help out...
      i get stuff from Europe (England) thru Mike @ audibits2@aol.com
      and i get all the stuff from Germany thru a friend in Berlin.

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      02-17-2009 09:49 PM #131
      '01 225 TTR, stg. 2
      '01 S4, stg. 3
      '05 A4 USP, stg. 1½
      '88 80 quattro, stg. 4.2

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      03-17-2009 09:53 PM #132
      Thanks guys. I was able to get them and will post my project thread on Motorgeek soon enouph!

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      09-18-2009 04:08 AM #133
      A4 clutch isn't compatible with European Inline-4 Quattro 4000 gearbox

    9. 09-18-2009 07:30 AM #134
      Will a 1.8t bolt upto a v6 trans?

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      09-26-2009 09:48 PM #135
      Here is what I'm doing:
      I have a 1990 audi 90 (B3) auto NG 10v (I took the trans out already)
      I need to find out what trans I have to get in order for my 9a engine to bolt up to, what subframe to use, and mounts. I know that the 3a and 9a short block are identical, so that problem would be solved easily.
      is there a laundry list someone can come up with for me?

    11. 09-28-2009 10:12 PM #136
      Neat thread, for some reason I think this is more appealing than keeping the old 10v motor when it dies.
      I've been browsing through the hybrid / swap section since i found this. But I'm apparently being a big dumb when it comes to the search feature. LOL 2 character limit.
      If I were to do it when the 10v goes out, I think I'd see about setting it up for MegaSquirt. But I'm still trying to grasp which motors are which and which ones were offered in longitudinal form. Guess i need to do more reading still.


      Modified by Sleepy_Steve at 6:47 PM 10-26-2009

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      09-20-2011 10:07 PM #137
      ABK bracket i got does not bolt to an AEB BLOCK at all on passanger side..

      PASSANGER SIDE

      for 9a and 3a and ABA block the ABK bracket will work on passanger side..

      for AEB and 06a block you need the ADR bracket from a 20v 1.8l NA FROM CARBIO ONLY for passanger side


      DRIVER SIDE
      9a, 3a, aba are 3 hole mounts
      the ABK driver side will work with AEB block. and 06a 4 hole block

      i have tried these brackets myself.. i have this info my own work so i thought i would share

      ABK driver side on an AEB block, 4 bolt mount same for 06a
      Last edited by boost_addict; 10-17-2011 at 12:21 AM.

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      10-17-2011 08:57 PM #138
      ABK driver side mount.. 4 bolt block ( AEB Pictured, also fit 06a)


      these are the differences in bolt patterns for the passanger side..

      Orange holes are Aeb block and o6a block from ADR Cabrio mount
      Purple holes are for aba block and older, this is the ABK passanger side mount

      Last edited by boost_addict; 10-17-2011 at 08:59 PM.

    14. 10-30-2011 10:00 AM #139

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      10-31-2011 09:19 PM #140
      adr comes on a carbio in europe with a 20v 1.8 Na and it is a b4 hood fatory. so it does work.

      adr from a b5 a4 will not work, must be from cabrio only on the ADR mount

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      03-31-2012 12:14 AM #141
      Does anybody know if the AEB head bolts onto the ABK block?

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      04-05-2012 01:31 AM #142
      Quote Originally Posted by ChrisAudi80 View Post
      Does anybody know if the AEB head bolts onto the ABK block?
      yes but you need to modify the oil return channels as shown in the beginning of the thread.

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      04-05-2012 01:37 AM #143
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      yes but you need to modify the oil return channels as shown in the beginning of the thread.
      Thanks for replying Issam. What about water and oil lines for the turbo. Need to tap those too?
      I am guessing if I do this, I will need some kind of SEM?

      btw, I sent you a fb message. Did you see it?
      I know you are super busy.

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      04-06-2012 01:05 AM #144
      Quote Originally Posted by ChrisAudi80 View Post
      Thanks for replying Issam. What about water and oil lines for the turbo. Need to tap those too?
      I am guessing if I do this, I will need some kind of SEM?

      btw, I sent you a fb message. Did you see it?
      I know you are super busy.
      You sent a message to me directly?
      Send over an email : sales@inaengineering.com

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      04-06-2012 01:26 AM #145
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      You sent a message to me directly?
      Send over an email : sales@inaengineering.com
      No, I PMed you on MG.
      What I said was:

      "I have been considering swapping in an AEB into my FWD B4 2.0E ABK automatic.
      The way I see it, I can go 2 ways.

      1. Buy an A4 B5 FWD half cut (manual or auto). This costs about 90,000baht (USD3000. Yeah, really) here in Thailand. Swap in the motor, trans and all required gear.

      2. Is it possible to bolt the head and all associated parts onto my ABK short block? [you have answer that] I know the ABK has a 10.4:1 compression ratio, but with a thicker HG, maybe lower that.
      Or is this too much work?

      I would like to do this as cheap as possible.
      Can the automatic handle the Unitronic chip? I am considering just chipping it. 200hp crank is more than enough on the front wheels.
      I would source an FMIC locally.
      If you have any tips, I would appreciate it."

      I kind of want to avoid going SEM, since I know FA about tuning.

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      04-06-2012 01:53 AM #146
      Quote Originally Posted by ChrisAudi80 View Post
      No, I PMed you on MG.
      What I said was:

      "I have been considering swapping in an AEB into my FWD B4 2.0E ABK automatic.
      The way I see it, I can go 2 ways.

      1. Buy an A4 B5 FWD half cut (manual or auto). This costs about 90,000baht (USD3000. Yeah, really) here in Thailand. Swap in the motor, trans and all required gear.

      2. Is it possible to bolt the head and all associated parts onto my ABK short block? [you have answer that] I know the ABK has a 10.4:1 compression ratio, but with a thicker HG, maybe lower that.
      Or is this too much work?

      I would like to do this as cheap as possible.
      Can the automatic handle the Unitronic chip? I am considering just chipping it. 200hp crank is more than enough on the front wheels.
      I would source an FMIC locally.
      If you have any tips, I would appreciate it."

      I kind of want to avoid going SEM, since I know FA about tuning.
      Ah,
      I do not go on MG as often as id like. I have limited myself to 3 forums around the globe...can only alot a certain time frame a day and Vortex consumes most of that time

      I would go the first route. Find a B5 and do the full swap using your ABK brackets. Much easier in the long run and if you want you could always build the ABK motor on the side.

      I highly doubt Unitronic would supply a chip for this project given how custom it is. Being in Thailand standalone maybe your only option.

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      04-06-2012 01:57 AM #147
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      Ah,
      I do not go on MG as often as id like. I have limited myself to 3 forums around the globe...can only alot a certain time frame a day and Vortex consumes most of that time

      I would go the first route. Find a B5 and do the full swap using your ABK brackets. Much easier in the long run and if you want you could always build the ABK motor on the side.

      I highly doubt Unitronic would supply a chip for this project given how custom it is. Being in Thailand standalone maybe your only option.
      OK, thanks for the advice.

    23. 10-14-2013 09:41 AM #148
      Im currently running ABK engine as well and really interested in AEB swap. I wonder whether the ABK engine mount in Audi 80 B4 will work with the new AEB engine. The second question I have is the immobilizer of the new AEB engine. I heard some people said that some AEB engines come with an immobilizer system, which is installed behind the instrument cluster. Is this true? I saw some videos on youtube installing AEB engine with Audi 80 instrument cluster. If it requires instrument cluster to be installed in Audi 80, will A4 B5 instrument cluster fit the space in Audi 80 B4

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      10-14-2013 06:33 PM #149
      Quote Originally Posted by crucifixzz View Post
      Im currently running ABK engine as well and really interested in AEB swap. I wonder whether the ABK engine mount in Audi 80 B4 will work with the new AEB engine. The second question I have is the immobilizer of the new AEB engine. I heard some people said that some AEB engines come with an immobilizer system, which is installed behind the instrument cluster. Is this true? I saw some videos on youtube installing AEB engine with Audi 80 instrument cluster. If it requires instrument cluster to be installed in Audi 80, will A4 B5 instrument cluster fit the space in Audi 80 B4
      Hello
      • ABK mount brackets will bolt up directly to an AEB block so reuse those. If not find units from the ADR 1.8 20V found in 1997 Audi Cabrio
      • Immobilizer in the cluster?
      • no sure if a B5 cluster will fit in B3 but if anything you would just need to figure out tach output for the B3 dash.

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      10-19-2013 03:33 PM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by Issam Abed View Post
      Well if you own an Audi B frame and it has the aluminum base mount then your in luck.The following cars made by VAG carried the aluminum base mount but were also equipped with a 4 cylinder engine.
      ABK - Euro Audi 80 2.0E
      ABT - Euro Audi 80 2.0E
      ADR - Audi 80 Carbrio with NA 20V
      Multiple of my friends have tried ABK/ABT mounts in the passenger side. OK, they mount to the engine, but doesn't align with frame mounts.
      I'd say the only option is ADR from Cabrio.
      Last edited by _Val; 10-19-2013 at 03:37 PM.

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