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    Thread: 16V G60 - How to

    1. Member Issam Abed's Avatar
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      01-20-2005 07:46 AM #26
      Quote, originally posted by OttawaG60 »
      It's cut in that photo eh?
      I have to make the hole a little bit bigger to allow me to fit a piece of pipe in there to clear the charger hump.

      So whose Manifold is this?Not yours?

    2. 01-20-2005 07:52 AM #27
      Waterpump pulley.
      This one seems to stall several people, I found that a factory ABA pulley fits perfectly (flipped).

    3. 01-20-2005 08:02 AM #28
      Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD »
      So whose Manifold is this?Not yours?

      Judging from the Roma Tuning website it is taken from, it is Robert van Wijk's manifold [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]


      Modified by 1,3LG60 at 3:14 PM 1-20-2005

    4. 01-20-2005 08:59 AM #29
      i think this one uses the honduh fuel rail:

    5. 01-20-2005 09:19 AM #30
      Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD »
      So whose Manifold is this?Not yours?

      Nope, it's from Roma Tuning, I just posted it as an interesting solution to the problem

    6. 01-20-2005 09:20 AM #31
      Quote, originally posted by mrkrad »
      i think this one uses the honduh fuel rail:

      I don't see the rail or injectors

    7. 01-20-2005 11:23 PM #32
      heres a good one. i have been thinking about this for the last 2 hours and cannt see why it wont work. someone shoot this down if i am wrong.
      i can use the bbm dist. block off plate on the 16v head , run my stock g-60 dist. on the block , ( granted i have to use the TT adaptor ring, 8v oil pump, 8v crank gear, 8v intermead. shaft. ) and then jsut run the car like stock. this will elimate the need to have the crank pulley shaved. i will have to use a 8v cam gear, intmed. gear , and 8v crank gear.
      am i correct?
      reason for this , is i build a monster motor for my old gti , and i am getting the motor back through a trade, it only has 700 miles on it. it is ( as in the gti now ) a 14:1 2L 8v, here is a list of what is in it
      je 9:1 2L 16v pistons
      shaved and balanced 8v interm shaft
      light weight interm gear
      balanced and polished 9a rods
      knifed and balanced crank
      tt dist ring
      8v oil pump
      8v crank gear
      so running the dis. in the block will save me time and cash from having another interm. shaft shaved, looking for a 16v oil pump ( i sold the one i had after i finished the motor )
      i dont think that i am wrong , the only thing that may get me is will a 8v cam gear fit on a 16v cam. ( i am almost sure , just havent checked yet. ) oh and i will use a 8v timing belt. what do you think am i crazy? or am i on to something.
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    8. 01-20-2005 11:59 PM #33
      starting to anwser my own question, after looking around at 16v cams, doesnt look like a 8v gear will fit on it , but if i just take the center out of a adj 16v and bolt it to a adj 8v gear, it will work.
      now who is the wizard on this? IS THE CAM ROTATION RPM THE SAME FRO A 16V AS A 8V , GIVING THAT THE TWO BELTS HAVE MORE TEETH ?
      ie: will the 16v cams move at the wrong speed because of the 8v belt being used. i see it as the same speed as long as i have the 8v crank gear and the 8v cam gear.
      to much thinking
      thanks for the help, i am sure this is helpping more then just me.
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    9. 01-21-2005 12:28 AM #34
      I have one too.... FOR SALE



      Modified by YeloCorado at 10:28 AM 1-12-2006

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      01-21-2005 01:53 AM #35
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      Quote, originally posted by John Doe »
      I have a PG G60 8V,How do I convert it to a 16V G60?

      Well first of all your going to have to get a set of custom pistons.Bahn Brenner sells a set of custom pistons for $699.95US

      Or you can contact Rodney Huss for your custom application.
      The reason you will need a custom set of Pistons is because placing a 16V head on an 8V Block lowers the CR approx 1.8 Points.Since the G60 engine is allready @ a CR of 8:1 then dropping that CR 1.8:1 points lower will bring it to about 6.2:1,Definately too low for a 16V G60.
      Now for the Conrods you can use your stock PG G60 rods but it is recommended that you use PL 16V Rods + Custom Pistons due to the fact that your rod ratio using the PG rods will be too short.
      Now that the pistons and Rods are out of the way your going to need the obvious:
      Quote, originally posted by 16V G60 Parts Needed »
      1. 16V Head,Either 9A or PL.9A has bigger Intake Ports.
      2. 16V Lower Intake Manifold.
      3. 16V Scirocco Upper Intake Manifold (pictured below)- This enables you to relocate the Throttle Body from the passenger side of the engine bay (LHD) to the drivers side of the engine bay.You can then still use your stock G60 filter box.
      4.16V Distributor, complete
      5.16V Distributor Block off plate complete
      6.16V oil pump, complete
      7.16V Secondary shaft and gears complete
      8.16V Timing belt and gears, complete
      9.16V Exhaust Manifold or 16V Header

      The End Result courtesy of Thetatau87:


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      01-21-2005 02:05 AM #36
      Quote, originally posted by herby53-akaherby53 »
      ...if i just take the center out of a adj 16v and bolt it to a adj 8v gear, it will work.
      now who is the wizard on this? IS THE CAM ROTATION RPM THE SAME FRO A 16V AS A 8V , GIVING THAT THE TWO BELTS HAVE MORE TEETH ?
      ie: will the 16v cams move at the wrong speed because of the 8v belt being used. i see it as the same speed as long as i have the 8v crank gear and the 8v cam gear.
      to much thinking

      Cam Gear rotation is the same.
      I was wondering the same thing, (mod'ing the 44 tooth 8v cam gear to work on 16v cam using the adj sprockets). I know the adj cam gears guts likely won't interchange w/o some work, but that seems minimal.
      Since (2 revs of motor = 1 rev of cam):
      8V = 22/44 = .5
      16V =26/52 = .5
      Is the 16V belt is wider and stronger than the 8V (thus the need for machining the back of the crank pulley to pull it back in)? ..maybe an alignment issue that can be corrected with the mod'ed cam gear?
      Shawn



      Modified by sdezego at 2:08 AM 1-21-2005
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    12. 01-21-2005 08:01 AM #37
      As long as you use the same cam gear and crank gear the rotation will be fine.
      The 16v belt is wider, probably because there is more load on the belt and higher revs.
      Shave down a G60 pulley 6mm if you're worried about $$ otherwise order the crank pulley from BBM etc.

    13. 01-21-2005 08:29 AM #38
      Quote, originally posted by Wizard-of-OD »
      Did you custom make that TB elbow yourself?

      Yeh because one night a kid broke into my car and stole my BBM one. ha ha. I wonder if he pitched it in the trash because he diddnt know what to do with it..

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      01-21-2005 08:43 AM #39
      Quote, originally posted by YeloCorado »
      Yeh because one night a kid broke into my car and stole my BBM one. ha ha. I wonder if he pitched it in the trash because he diddnt know what to do with it..

      I would hope thats not sarcasm
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    15. 01-21-2005 05:48 PM #40
      Quote, originally posted by OttawaG60 »
      As long as you use the same cam gear and crank gear the rotation will be fine.
      The 16v belt is wider, probably because there is more load on the belt and higher revs.
      Shave down a G60 pulley 6mm if you're worried about $$ otherwise order the crank pulley from BBM etc.

      i have a shaved interme. shaft in the motor now and i already sold the oil pump , interm shaft, oil pump gear for the 16v , so i am running 8v internals right now, so it will save me time and money to just swap out the center of cam gear. should be the same.
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    16. 01-24-2005 08:21 PM #41
      look just like my je pistons, ( as much shaved off them ) [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
      good work
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    17. 01-24-2005 09:13 PM #42
      here is another one for you guys, i think that i have heard that a 20v crank pulley will work on this setup. is this true, i am looking at the turn2 power pulley and i think that i may use it, do you know if it will bolt up to a 9a crank, should but looking for thoughts. thanks
      http://www.turn2usa.com/Mercha...ulley

      theres the link to it


      Modified by herby53-akaherby53 at 9:14 PM 1-24-2005
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    18. 01-25-2005 07:27 AM #43
      Quote, originally posted by herby53-akaherby53 »
      here is another one for you guys, i think that i have heard that a 20v crank pulley will work on this setup. is this true, i am looking at the turn2 power pulley and i think that i may use it, do you know if it will bolt up to a 9a crank, should but looking for thoughts. thanks
      http://www.turn2usa.com/Mercha...ulley

      Modified by herby53-akaherby53 at 9:14 PM 1-24-2005

      Looks close, but you'd need to compare them for sure.
      Anyone got a 1.8T crank they want to send me, I'll compare and let you know.

    19. 01-25-2005 08:12 AM #44
      That looks like plenty of customization, I'd perfer to see it lined up with the G60

    20. 01-25-2005 11:18 AM #45
      maybe i can pick one up ( turn2 ) and if it doesnt line up just return it . looks like i have to do something , just not gonna be for sure on it till i have them in my hand. let you know how it goes.
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      01-27-2005 11:05 AM #46
      the 1.8t crank pulley lines up with the vr6 water pump pulley and aba alt. set up when used on a 16v crank gear. So if you guys are shaving your G60 pullies or modding ABA units by 6mm IIRC then the 1.8t pulley will work.

    22. 01-27-2005 11:19 AM #47
      so with that said , then the 1.8t pulley will bolt up to the crank and i will have to play around and see what other pulleys will line up with it to run a 8v crank gear . i also have to check mixing a 16v cam gear with a 8v one.
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    23. 01-27-2005 12:21 PM #48
      Quote, originally posted by Scirocco20v »
      the 1.8t crank pulley lines up with the vr6 water pump pulley and aba alt. set up when used on a 16v crank gear. So if you guys are shaving your G60 pullies or modding ABA units by 6mm IIRC then the 1.8t pulley will work.

      I shaved an ABA 6mm to line up with the G60.
      If I understand you correctly.
      If I take a 9A, bolt on the 1.8T crank pulley, it'll line up with the G60.
      Correct?

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      01-27-2005 12:24 PM #49
      Correct

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      01-27-2005 12:36 PM #50
      Ottawa G60 do you have an ABA tensioner bracket knocking around? [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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