Dimentions needed!!!! vw motorsport shifter.

[16V-Sauger]

Quote, originally posted by rallyebmx »

Dimensions for the punch and flares?

nope, i meant something like this:

http://www.directupload.net/sh...g.jpg

i guess i have to excuse for my ugly ms-paint skills

[rallyebmx]

I mentioned the dimension of the pivot point to ball end as about 3" in a previous post on this thread. I'll get all in mm's for you. You should label all the dimensions you need on that pic so there is no confusion.

Billy-what seat are you gonna run in the mk2? Keeping my stock seats is important to me so thats when I ran into all the bolster clearance issues. Yeah I just sucked it up and paid the $200 cause I got tired of searching. Also if I do something wrong I can make another myself. You know you can just buy the flares without punch for about $35 each?! You gotta drill that big hole though.

[1.BillyT]

Quote, originally posted by rallyebmx »

Billy-what seat are you gonna run in the mk2? Keeping my stock seats is important to me so thats when I ran into all the bolster clearance issues. Yeah I just sucked it up and paid the $200 cause I got tired of searching. Also if I do something wrong I can make another myself. You know you can just buy the flares without punch for about $35 each?! You gotta drill that big hole though.

We are running Evo 2s. The shifter is gonna be up pretty high in our car too. SHouldn't have much issue with the bolster.

Where can I get the flares at? I found a cheap set of punches for 20 bucks at Harbor Freight:

http://www.harborfreight.com/c...91201

[16V-Sauger]

Quote, originally posted by rallyebmx »

You should label all the dimensions you need on that pic so there is no confusion.

errm, all important things are marked in different colours?! or is it just me who can see the colored lines?

[rallyebmx]

all mm
blue=195
black=13
light blue=25
light green=51
dark green=39
brown=55
tan=23
purple=50
orange=14

Billy-yeah I had checked Harbor Frieght. I got mine from http://www.mittlerbros.com/. They also have flares only.


Modified by rallyebmx at 9:23 PM 4-9-2006

[mk2dubbin]

based on the picture, and the dimensions provided:

hopefully we can continue to dimension these out and the other pieces as well! if we get everything dimensioned out, i can host the CAD file for any and everyone... at this point though, all you get is a .gif.



Modified by mk2dubbin at 1:04 PM 4-10-2006

[Mr Mini]

Quote, originally posted by rallyebmx »

all mm blue=195 black=13 light blue=25 light green=51 dark green=39 brown=55 tan=23 purple=50 orange=14

Modified by Mr Mini at 3:20 PM 4-11-2006

[mk2dubbin]

and the point of posting that again was what? that information is already dimensioned out in the drawings above...

[JsnVR6Corrado]

Can anyone download this 3d AutoCad file and see if what I created is accurate enough to work?

right click save as
http://www.cincidubs.com/shifter.dwg

Modified by JsnVR6Corrado at 11:34 AM 4-12-2006

[mk2dubbin]

i havent played with 3d in autocad, only proE. but i downloaded it and spun it around a bit and it looks pretty good. based on the pictures though, the bracket for mounting the shifter is a bit beefier near the rear section where the mounting bolt would be as well as at the tops of the towers for the side motion limiters.

it might be of benefit to mimick these characteristics, as there is a lot of repetetive strain on that area with every shift... definitely looking good so far

[1.BillyT]

Side to side cable arm needs to be longer. If you want to reduce the side to side throw, make the arm longer and just add more holes for the option of reducing the throw. Same goes for the main lever. Put 3 holes in it for those that want a shorter throw.

Our new one comes in today... can't wait

Modified by 1.BillyT at 9:37 AM 4-12-2006

[JsnVR6Corrado]

Billy, do you have a measurement from the pivot center point to the side to side cable arm lenght on your old one?

Would a longer distance between the front/back cable attachment at the bottom of the shifter to it's pivot point make the throw longer or shorter?

[1.BillyT]

I can measure it later today, but untill then, this is the best I can do:

Just to give you an idea of it's length.

By moving the pivot point of the shifter rod up, you reduce the throw. By moving it down, you increase the throw. So a longer distance from where the cable attaches to the pivot point would decrease the shift throw.

[JsnVR6Corrado]

Awesome, thanks for the information.

How much cable travel is required for changing gears? What is the maxium the cable ends need to move on the transmission? That will be all the information i need. I can then determine how much throw is required in my design.

[Mr Mini]

Quote, originally posted by mk2dubbin »

and the point of posting that again was what? that information is already dimensioned out in the drawings above...

I realise that, and I wasn't trying to take away from your post.

The picture that the dimensions were referring to had not been posted, and I wanted to have a side to side comparison, and also to compare to your drawing.

It's good to see this thread picking up again

Modified by Mr Mini at 2:59 PM 4-12-2006

[1.BillyT]

Quote, originally posted by JsnVR6Corrado »

Billy, do you have a measurement from the pivot center point to the side to side cable arm lenght on your old one?

On the new one, it is exact 2.5 inches from the pivot to the cable attachment point.

Ya know, when yiou first look at these things, it's hard to remeber why you spend 700 bucks on them, but then you start to see all the little details, like the reverse lock out on the new one is a bit more complicated than the VWMS unit... anyway, I guess it is all those little details that make it worth it in the end. Unless one of you has a serious machine shop hook up, I think you may find that these things will cost a bit more than you anticipate to make.

[MaestroG60]

I just wanted to let you know that I got my shifter from Sorg Motorsport today.

Great build quality and the throw is even ajustable...all that for 200 Euros (242 USD).

[JsnVR6Corrado]

Quote, originally posted by MaestroG60 »

I just wanted to let you know that I got my shifter from Sorg Motorsport today. Great build quality and the throw is even ajustable...all that for 200 Euros (242 USD).

Got pictures of it? That is a great deal, how much did it cost shipped? I could not find it on the Sorg site.

Billy, the machining will be free just need to pay for material.

*edit* Just found pictures of the one on the sorg site. Looks damn nice for 199 euros.

Would you mind dimensioning the hell out of it for us people that would like to build our own?


Modified by JsnVR6Corrado at 9:37 AM 4-13-2006

[mk2dubbin]

Quote, originally posted by JsnVR6Corrado »

Would you mind dimensioning the hell out of it for us people that would like to build our own?

what he said!

[1.BillyT]

Quote, originally posted by JsnVR6Corrado »

Got pictures of it? That is a great deal, how much did it cost shipped? I could not find it on the Sorg site. Billy, the machining will be free just need to pay for material. *edit* Just found pictures of the one on the sorg site. Looks damn nice for 199 euros. Would you mind dimensioning the hell out of it for us people that would like to build our own?

not sure what math I used on the last page, but the shifter I got from Bildon is the Sorg one... and I paid way way way too much money for it... awesome. oh well. What's done is done. Also, They went up 20 bucks on the price of the thing to 699 with cables... man...

Jason, you pretty much have it spot on in that new cad drawing(which looks pretty sick). As long as the main pivot points are close, you will be okay. Like I said, the tough part will be finding all of the little bits to make the reverse lock out, or you could simplify it and make it pretty easy.

[JsnVR6Corrado]

Quote, originally posted by 1.BillyT »

Jason, you pretty much have it spot on in that new cad drawing(which looks pretty sick). As long as the main pivot points are close, you will be okay. Like I said, the tough part will be finding all of the little bits to make the reverse lock out, or you could simplify it and make it pretty easy.

I have measured the total cable movement at the transmission and my design will be able to provide enough movement. I am going to get started on the CNC machining program and hopefully have a prototype this month.

I am not sure what to do with the reverse lockout. The design of the Sorg one and the VWMS looks pretty simple. Basically a spring loaded pin. My biggest concern is actually the hardware to assemble it. Not sure what is used for the pivot point bolts.

......My brother made a prototype out of cardboard today. He has a machine at work that can cut cardboard out of a AutoCad drawing so the cardboard one he made looks exactly like my drawing up there. I honestly can not believe how small these things are. They look much bigger in pictures.

Modified by JsnVR6Corrado at 1:20 PM 4-14-2006

[Operation: Rabbit]

Quote, originally posted by MaestroG60 »

I just wanted to let you know that I got my shifter from Sorg Motorsport today. Great build quality and the throw is even ajustable...all that for 200 Euros (242 USD).

thats a much more appealing price....got any pictures of it?

[19E-299]

http://www.sorgmotorsport.de/P...l.pdf

[Operation: Rabbit]

Quote, originally posted by 19E-299 »

http://www.sorgmotorsport.de/P...l.pdf

wonder if anyone speaks english there ...id order one now

it just looks like you need to build your own tower for it.

[19E-299]

i guess someones definitely speaking or writing english there
i can't imagine of any company in germany where isn't at least one person who writes/speaks english.

[JsnVR6Corrado]

My 6061 aluminum is here


Modified by JsnVR6Corrado at 9:51 AM 4-26-2006

[paul1970]

I'm also making this type of gearshifter. But i'm making mine from carbon fiber
I've almost finished making all the moulds (all aluminium moulds as they give the best surface finish).
I'm going to use a 20mm carbon fiber tube for the shift lever. All the bearings are sealed cartridge type which are press fitted into pieces of titanium that have been moulded into the carbon fiber.
If anyone's interested i'll post some pic's when i'm finished.

[rallyebmx]

Holy balls! I'm interested, i'm interested-post pics when you can. Sounds sick!

[bopper]

tom stop spending money... you still have to pay me when your cars done.... hahahaha

[19E-299]

what shift cables are/will you guys using/use? because the stock ones won't fit and VW-M doesn't have them anymore

[rallyebmx]

I think Bildon was selling B&M cables with their shifters.

[G60RRADO]

any one else contact sorg-motorsports? i emailed earlier but no reply yet.

[19E-299]

what would you like to know?

[G60RRADO]

19E-299 you got IM

[19E-299]

Quote, originally posted by G60RRADO »

19E-299 you got IM

nope