Dimentions needed!!!! vw motorsport shifter.

[Draxus]

Is this able to be worked onto a MKIV R32?

[1SlowSLC]

Yes it will work on a mk4

[Mike.]

What shifter cable bracket is being used?

I'm referring to the bracket that holds the cables in place atop the gearbox.

[nothing-leaves-stock]

i used the stock mk4 cables and stock bracket mike. works MINT

[Mike.]

Thanks for the info & reply Josh!!

[LapinGTI]

Hi,

I am working on a VW motorsport replica shifter for my solidworks cours. It's almost done, i have all part and the asembly file. I try to make it easy to machine, for instance, the lock for reverse gear, is actuate by cable, the cable stop on the harm is bolted, a 1,50$ part (bike cable stop) it's a lot easyer than machining this part. everything is on bushing, main pivot is on bearing, same design as VWmotorsport design. It could be done on a conventionnal latter and milling, our CNC. And for CNC i can provide files to create G code, via Master cam our other...





If anybody really interest in a production, i can send the files that can be use to produce G code for CNC. In exchange of all the machines parts. What do you think of the drawning?

[Draxus]

Wow that is really nice.

[1SlowSLC]

LapinGTI, I sent you a private message. Your drawings look great, but a few things I noticed...

your way of bolting the parts together is kinda odd, I know its a just a drawing so things can be changed... but having that socket head bolt under the shift lever will inhibit its movement, it should be with the bolt head on the other end. also having a thru bolt with a nut on the end is not the way I would prefer ti make it....

I believe its better to have a thru bolt with a plain shank and some threads on the end, and then have the mating part be threaded, that way you dont have big nuts hanging off the back and side of your part. It will look much sleeker in my opinion, and that is how i am making mine

[1SlowSLC]

I could use some help... anyone know what size the ball fittings are that attach the cables to the shifter??? I need thread size and the ball size. Thanks in advance

I am working out some details on my shifter tonight, ironically it is fixing just the thing I told LapinGTI in the post above. I need to figure out bolt sizes and lengths etc etc, then tomorrow at work I am starting the machining process. I am in the manual shop at work right now, so I will be doing as much as I can over there to rough things out, then taking it to my friend in the CNC shop to run the 2 CNC operations I need to complete the center piece of the shifter.

I will post pics of my progress tomorrow

[Mike.]

Seeing as tho these shifters work with any vw cable change box... o2a, o2j & etc.

Is there anything preventing me mechanically from using one of these shifters on an o2a tranny with the o2j shift tower assembly, receiver & o2j sigma short shifter from dieselgeek??

[1SlowSLC]

Mike: I would assume that would be possible..but I have only messed w mk2/3/corrado, so I dont know for sure about the O2J

Still workin on writing the CNC code for the shifter, itll prob be a week or so till I make more parts...

[1SlowSLC]

It's been a while since I've posted any progress. Been busy with the holidays and work, but I did get a chance to get some cnc time. so heres where Im at...

Second piece of the shifter is 75% done, its a little bit rough since its my first one, and I did alot of it manually. I have 3 more that are half way done and look much better.

I also got some of the hardware for the shifter, and did a test fit.... pics...















Also finished up the drawing for the third and final part of the shifter. It's going to be simple to make. Heres the drawings





thats it for now.....

[Daskoupe]

when can i give you a deposit lol

[1SlowSLC]

when can i give you a deposit lol

I only have 3 shifters at the moment, anyone serious about getting one should IM me...

I have a small update, nothing major, but still progress. The third piece of the shifter is started, there isnt too much left to finish it. I also spec'd out the rest of the hardware and I'm about to place an order.









Also snapped a pic or 2 of my vblock I'm making for school. I've already ground it on a 3 sides, so far the ground surfaces are flat, parellel and square within .00005, to put that into perspective a human hair is .003 inches.






I will update when I have more progress with the shifter. I still need to figure out what size/thread the ball and socket fittings for the shift cable are. Any help would be apreciated.

[1SlowSLC]

I'm almost done machining the first 3 motorsport shifters. I ended up changing a few things and adding a thrust bearing on the main pivot point. Still waiting to receive the bearings and reverse lockout handles to complete the whole assembly.

I snapped a few pictures of the 3 pieces bolted together. Obviously it isn't 100% complete, and it was the first one I made so there is a few small blemishes, which will not be there on the other 3 I am finishing up.

I learned alot from the process of making these shifters, and I am keeping the first one as a display/showpiece which I might install in my car. I learned what did and did not work by making the first one, now the subsequent pieces will function and look perfect.

I will post pictures of the 3 completed units as soon as I finish up.

[vergessen wir es]

50 millionths bump

[Vw Power1]

awesome job!

[golf-2000-2l]

good stuff in here!

[1SlowSLC]

good stuff in here!

Thanks! It's been awhile since I've had a chance to get any work done on the shifters. Hopefully in the nextfew weeks I can finish them up, since Im starting a new jobsoon, and may lose access to machines. I just have some roughing out to do on the mill, and the final profile to be cnc machined.

Updates soon hopefully

[1SlowSLC]

Looks like I won't be finishing the shifters up for atleast a month or 2, I finally got hired on at the machine shop that I've been waiting to go to for a year!!! So no more machine access for now. I've also got a few non-car related side projects I'm getting involved in so that is eating up my time.

Sucks about the shifters, but the new job is freakin' sweet, so can't complain..

Good news is, a few weeks back I met some guys at a motorcycle shop who have some machines, so I'm working on finishing the shifters with them sometime soon...

Thats is for now, will update when I talk to the bikers about using their machines.

[capnhowdy]

congrats on a job man! hows it going so far at the new place... and... any idea how much you'll charge if you make these??

[1SlowSLC]

send me a PM

[Brian.G]

I could be wrong as Ive been wrong before, but from what I can see/remember, there is no measures for all parts anywhere in this entire thread.

Brian,

[1SlowSLC]

I'd say you're correct about that.

[Issam Abed]

I could be wrong as Ive been wrong before, but from what I can see/remember, there is no measures for all parts anywhere in this entire thread.

Brian,

You are not mistaken.

[SHONPRV_67]

I haven't been on in a while, but I used to have a subscription to a thread where there WERE blueprints/CAD/SolidWorks files. My subscription folder is empty... and the computer where I did have the files saved crashed last year. Go figure, now that I have access to the proper equipment, and time!

Yup, it was this thread, around page 5 the links are there, but they are all dead

Found these on another site (just relocated them to my Photobucket screw those fools.. ) :




Poster there mentioned he found them here.. so...

[SHONPRV_67]

Modified by jetta88a2 at 3:44 PM 1-27-2005

I'm picking up a VWMS shifter in a few weeks, and then a friend of mine with a cnc machine is going to make a few copies. I'll supply all the dimensions for you if you'd like, and will also offer a copy of the unit for a price. I'm shooting for half the price of the real thing. we'll see what happens. I'll make a feeler post after the first shifter is made.


The shifter is coming along, (snip) as of right now we're only going to make the shifter for cable shift cars, but if they sell good then a rod type shifter will be made too. We already have a CAD file for it too.

A German Company called CAE makes a conversion kit for the rod change boxes, as well as a shifter for the cable boxes. Their site is here: http://www.cae-automobiltechnik.de

Here's some pics:

something like this:

http://www.directupload.net/sh...g.jpg

i guess i have to excuse for my ugly ms-paint skills
all mm
blue=195
black=13
light blue=25
light green=51
dark green=39
brown=55
tan=23
purple=50
orange=14

Can anyone download this 3d AutoCad file and see if what I created is accurate enough to work?

right click save as
http://www.cincidubs.com/shifter.dwg

Modified by JsnVR6Corrado at 11:34 AM 4-12-2006

Quote, originally posted by MaestroG60 »

I just wanted to let you know that I got my shifter from Sorg Motorsport today. Great build quality and the throw is even ajustable...all that for 200 Euros (242 USD).

Got pictures of it? That is a great deal, how much did it cost shipped? I could not find it on the Sorg site.

Billy, the machining will be free just need to pay for material.

*edit* Just found pictures of the one on the sorg site. Looks damn nice for 199 euros.

Would you mind dimensioning the hell out of it for us people that would like to build our own?


Modified by JsnVR6Corrado at 9:37 AM 4-13-2006

http://www.sorgmotorsport.de/P...l.pdf

Sorg Motorsport in Germany - http://www.sorgmotorsport.de

based on the picture, and the dimensions provided:

hopefully we can continue to dimension these out and the other pieces as well! if we get everything dimensioned out, i can host the CAD file for any and everyone... at this point though, all you get is a .gif.



Modified by mk2dubbin at 1:04 PM 4-10-2006

There are links to pictures, but a search through their subfolders at http://www.ryanrupp.com/ didn't find anything.

Quote, originally posted by wvonkessler »

I came across another clone of the VWM shifter piece one time on a Swedish site, but I've never been able to find it again.

http://www.stroevemotorsport.nl/

This website still shows a picture of their shifter, but nothing in that section of the page.. Grabbed these images though:




http://www.bildon.com/ Still shows a link and picture of their shifter (which I think is the closest to the orig VWMS unit), But it shows out of stock, Price listed $699.95.

"Item # 191.711.001.ZSB:
is temporarily out of stock or discontinued.
...or this item is a special order item.
Please review the item description."

A lot of the links to websites in Europe are now dead-ends, the sites simply don't exist anymore.
Are any of the people that posted links back in the day still have copies of the info that they can repost and share with the rest of us that still want to fab this for ourselves? Or does anyone have a shifter they want to sell, and I will make a Solidworks model for people to download?

I'm also interested in the 020 cable to rod adapter, found this picture, but no measurements...


It's sad to see just how stingy VW folks have become with their knowledge in the last 10-15 years.

[audisnapr]

CAE is still around: http://www.cae-racing.de/

Sadly Sorg is gone as far as I can tell. They put a decent product and at a decent price.



here's a gallery I put together a while back with all the images I came across of motorsport inspired shifters (many are rehosted from this thread)

http://gallery.visualrealms.com/cate...3f433e203d21db

we're not all stingy

[1SlowSLC]

It's sad to see just how stingy VW folks have become with their knowledge in the last 10-15 years.

It's a shame how lazy people are, so theyd rather be given an answer, then tryin to figure it out themselves

If im not mistaken,no one asked for any dimensions. If Brian G. or anyone else asks for a dimension, I would give it to them.

No one gave me anything to help make my shifters. All the blueprints and dimensions I found were in this post, and not a single print had everything dimensioned. So your big post of all those links isn't gonna get anyone all the way to the finish line.... now what shall you do???? Use your brain??? Oh no! That would be terrible!!

I did the research on my own, and figured it out. Now if you want to be spoonfed and are too lazy to do some math or do the work yourself, then go ahead and take the easy way out and ask.

Hell, Brian G. is such an outstanding machinist, and everyone swings on his nuts, so I don't even understand why he would have to ask for a dimension, he could probably cast one and people would ride his nuts more...

So, if you are too lazy, or just can't think for yourself, gladly send me an IM and I'll walk you through how to measure. I will gladly give you dimensions, just ask

[Issam Abed]

I will gladly give you dimensions, just ask

If you want to send me them ill generate Solidwork files for all to give to machinists
I drew up 2 pieces only but stopped at that.

[1SlowSLC]

I have solidworks drawings of all 3 parts. They're posted in the last few pages of this thread...

I manufactured 4 or 5 of these shifters already, but they are only 90% done. I was selling a few to recoup my costs on material etc etc etc. I have cnc programs for parts as well, but I dont think I'm going to be spreading that around.

Issam, as you know, there is alot more to these shifters than the machining. I had to spec out all the hardware, and make sure all the pieces worked together as an assembly. I have ALOT of time dedicated to this project, and I was selling them for a super fair price, compared to the overpriced VWMS and other high dollar shifters.

I'll still share any specs or dimensions, or help steer people in the right direction if they need help. Just send me a message and I'll do my best to help

[SHONPRV_67]

I will gladly give you dimensions, just ask

If you want to send me them ill generate Solidwork files for all to give to machinists
I drew up 2 pieces only but stopped at that.

Get your wallet out.

[SHONPRV_67]

If im not mistaken,no one asked for any dimensions.

What has been the title of this thread from the very first post? It's what everyone who clicked the thread link in the last 7 years has been looking for!

Take pictures of any of these shifter components with a ruler next to it, in three std. "blueprint views" each and I'll figure it out myself with no outside help. And I'll share my results freely, 3D model, MasterCAM/Geopath files. I'm not into VWs to make a buck. Just to share in my love for the marque.

I have been a prototype machinist for the last 9 years. I COULD spend an entire day of Solidworks modeling, via trial and error, to get close and work from there to get the right measurements for the parts required to make a viable assembly. I chose to ask around and follow a thread to see if I could cut out some of the headache of prototyping. So excuse me if I'm trying to get help from fellow machinists/hobbyists.

P.S. Thank you audisnapr, you are at the heart of why I became involved with the VW hobby (aircooled and watercooled), friendly people willing to lend a helping hand.

[Issam Abed]

Issam, as you know, there is alot more to these shifters than the machining. I had to spec out all the hardware, and make sure all the pieces worked together as an assembly. I have ALOT of time dedicated to this project, and I was selling them for a super fair price, compared to the overpriced VWMS and other high dollar shifters.

Yes I understand that very well . I know of a few people that took original motorsport shifters and had them copied as well. The shifter market is extremely Niche and I am just annoyed of having to read 13 pages and no publications of solidwork files so I want to do it for the community.
If you are looking to *sell* the shifters then I can run a private GB for you to help you out but most people in this forum have access to there own machines.

[1SlowSLC]

Ok, I understand both of your responses. You both make a good point, and I'm on the same page with you.

I made 4 shifters, theyre not even totally finished, and I'm only selling these to make a few bucks back for my time and money spent,I'm not tryin to create a business out of it at this time.

What I am saying is, there are blueprints, and they show 95% of the dimensions. I used the same "set" of blueprints that has been reposted on here many times,you actually posted it again. (The blue print of the center swivel piece, and the white print that shows the whole shifter assembly and tower) I made my parts from those.

The few other dimensions that were missing, could be figured out pretty easily, or they can be any size you like as they do not affect the function of the shifter assembly at all

I think I only saw 1 or 2 occurances, about 3 or 4 years back in this post, where someone actually got real specific and said " I need this thickness of this particular piece on this section of the shifter or a size of this specific hole" not just "yo yo give me some dims dog"

That is why I said, ask for a "specific" dimension, and I will do my best to look at what I have and share it with you guys publicly on the forum. Let's get some shifters made