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    Thread: Dimentions needed!!!! vw motorsport shifter.

    1. Moderator Krazee's Avatar
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      12-08-2005 01:48 AM #106
      Bringing this back so that maybe those who have installed the shifters can help out.

      Id like to install this in my corrado, but personally, I dont like where it would be positioned height wise. So id like to bring it down.

      My idea is the following. Using the stock shifter box, but just the box, is mount the VWR/MS shifter to that. Thus it would still install from under the car and keep maybe a stock shifter height. Can this work?
      In my head, I dont see why it wouldnt, with the new cables following the same path as the stock ones (up against the top of the exhaust tunnel). All that seems necessary is for each cable to have a guide so that it stays in a given position. I got the idea from the JD Engineering Corrado.

      Look at the shifter picture (appears to be a VWMS item) and my idea seems to be a likely explanation for its low placement, when compared to other VWs.

      So can it work?

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      12-08-2005 02:14 AM #107
      talk to the guys at USRT. They have come up with a setup to work for 020. Prolly will have one for the 02A too.

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2262337


    3. 12-09-2005 12:29 AM #108
      Is that the tunnel that the shifter is mounted to?- How much clearance is there between the exhaust and tunnel on a Corrado? You're gonna need about 3" down for the shifter cable and about 5.5" down for the selector cable. I imagine the selector cable would be alright cause it could mount to the side of the tunnel. The best thing to do is just get one and go for it. Stuff works out on paper and then you try something and a new issue arrises. I imagine heat would be a big factor, who knows what else. You could put on a baby tower or stack a riser plate on for minimal height gains if needed. You'll be able to make something work though

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      01-06-2006 06:36 AM #109
      OK guys - some pict from my project
      ... just prepared the car for the Shifter
      -taken out...

      -nice whole...

      -prepared for action...

      -nice wholes

      -some fabrication of stock cables

      -are in



      -and @ the gearbox

      My shifter will be able to short the "shift" from ~10% to ~60%. The drawings are only for myself (based on VWMS shifter, but still lot's of differences!!), Ptototype will be made in about 10days, it will be made if stainless steal & polished.


      Modified by Apsik at 8:16 AM 4-25-2007



    5. 01-06-2006 02:12 PM #111
      keep us updated man this is **** hot!

    6. 01-09-2006 12:50 PM #112
      Folks:

      Sorg Motorsport in Germany - http://www.sorgmotorsport.de - is selling the shifter for 199 Euros:

      I have no affiliation. Just posting as a service.

      Regards,

      Wilson


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      01-09-2006 04:52 PM #113
      anybody know how to translate?

    8. 01-09-2006 07:24 PM #114
      Sorg Motorsport GMBH

      presents aluminum shifter for cable transmissions

      Golf 02A
      Polo 6N2
      Lupo GTI

      Offered from us now for Euros 199,00

      including VAT tax, shipping extra


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      01-10-2006 12:36 AM #115
      Can some one talk about why I would want this over my current VR6 short shifter setup? Does it have a short CRISP shift? More info on that topic would be good to hear.

      I still need to read the 4 pages of this post though.


    10. 01-10-2006 03:27 AM #116
      No real performance gain, but you can position it where you want. Mine is gonna have a 6.6" tower so it's gonna be up by the wheel kinda.

    11. 01-11-2006 03:27 PM #117
      Can I fit this to any cable transmission, G4 or TT? The price is really tempting.

    12. 01-11-2006 06:28 PM #118
      so, does anyone have measurements or a CAD file? i'm a student, so i can't even pay 199€ to sorg for that shifter. but i can use all machines in the company i worked before studying. so i could finish my car in the next few weeks

    13. 01-14-2006 01:23 PM #119
      no measurements or a cad file but there arent any real crtitical dimentions. The distance between the shifter pivot point and the cable attachment point is only going to change the throw of the shifter so just make it how you want.
      I ended up making my own. Here's a crappy cell phone shot. I didnt add a reverse lockout yet. All done on a bridgeport and manual lathe. the base is cnc plasma cut out of 1/8" steel. I dont have access to a tig so Im just going to mig weld the base into the car. B&M superduty race cables You'll need one 4' and one 5' cable if you mount it in the stock location.

    14. 01-14-2006 03:40 PM #120
      I'm with milfhunter-no real science here. As I mentioned above, on my stock vwms unit, from pivot to ball end on the lever is about 3". Has anyone ever created a cad file based on an existing VWMS unit? I've got a custom tower in the works right now. Should be lovely BTW milfhunter, that is badass-nice work.


      Modified by rallyebmx at 2:41 PM 1-14-2006

    15. 01-15-2006 12:03 AM #121
      nice start to a thread and then it died.

      where are all of these copies that were to e produced?


    16. 01-17-2006 07:21 PM #122
      Quote, originally posted by rallyebmx »
      I'm with milfhunter-no real science here. As I mentioned above, on my stock vwms unit, from pivot to ball end on the lever is about 3". Has anyone ever created a cad file based on an existing VWMS unit? I've got a custom tower in the works right now. Should be lovely BTW milfhunter, that is badass-nice work.


      Modified by rallyebmx at 2:41 PM 1-14-2006

      im sorry, but whats a pivot?


    17. 01-17-2006 08:06 PM #123
      Quote, originally posted by 16V-Sauger »

      im sorry, but whats a pivot?

      Think of it like a hinge,


      Pivot is like - Drehgelenk (hopefully)


      Modified by Red Robertson at 8:39 PM 1-17-2006


    18. 01-17-2006 08:28 PM #124
      By pivot, I meant the point at where the lever is attached to the rest of the shifter.

    19. 01-21-2006 06:38 PM #125
      I agree. I mentioned that same thing when i brought this
      back. I even emailed one guy to find out what happened
      and he never replied.[go figure]

    20. 01-21-2006 07:52 PM #126
      I cant speak for 1.8t rabbit. But after building mine I can tell you that after getting the tooling (if you dont have it allready), setting up the machines, programming, building a working prototype, and working the bugs out of it. That its not worth it to sell 2 or 3 of these things here or there. And I wouldnt want to build 10, 20, or 30 of these things to sit on the $350 in cables, rodends, bearings, bushings, hardware, and aluminum it costs to build each one.
      I dont know how much he intended to sell em for. But if someone were to produce them. As small as the market is for them I would'nt expect them being much, if any cheaper than what bildon is selling them for.



      Modified by milfhunter at 3:58 PM 1-21-2006

    21. 01-21-2006 11:54 PM #127
      Word-save up your pennies kids! USRT looks like they have rod linkage shifters available or in the works, even though they have pictures of mine on their site

    22. 01-23-2006 04:32 PM #128
      Quote, originally posted by rallyebmx »
      they have pictures of mine on their site

      Link please.


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      03-20-2006 09:18 PM #129
      Finally SOME FRESH NEWS from Poland

      THE SHIFTER IS READY
      It's made of stainless steel. Total costs: ~70$ (but ... don't forget POLAND)

      So here are some photos from ... the moment it become HARDer


      ...and a pict from the "tests" (sorry for the mess but the car is prepared for rollcage setup so the carpet had to be removed - will be back in may)

      OK - as I said the Shifter is ready - it's my ... edition [Apsik Edition] so it's very first polish shifter prototype and works fine with standard cables!!!
      I'm gonna finish mounting it (it's 2 AM) and then take some sleep. Pict will be soon

      ///sorry my english - I' a bit tired///


      Modified by Apsik at 8:17 AM 4-25-2007


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      03-22-2006 09:46 AM #130
      Finally the Shifter is mounted and connected. Wasn't so easy but now it's working just perfect
      It looks like that:

      as you can see on the driver side I've used longer bolt, so that gave me the possibility to lock the 5th gear - this is perfect for 1/4mile races (4 gears only - R & 5th locked)


      Modified by Apsik at 8:18 AM 4-25-2007


    25. 04-04-2006 04:52 PM #131
      Looks good man I would definitely order one if you will do a "mass" production

      are the stock cables to short to mount them to the shifter without that (sorry ) ugly adjusters?

      i've written already at icq but i guess you hadn't it online


    26. 04-05-2006 04:31 PM #132
      too bad nobody will share the plans. i certainly have no plans to make them for resale, but id love to try to build one!

      if someone has dimensional info, i will put it into cad and develop any necessary drawings


    27. 04-05-2006 05:52 PM #133
      so who wants to make me one for my race project?


    28. 04-06-2006 07:50 PM #134
      Quote, originally posted by wvonkessler »
      Sorg Motorsport GMBH

      presents aluminum shifter for cable transmissions

      Golf 02A
      Polo 6N2
      Lupo GTI

      Offered from us now for Euros 199,00

      including VAT tax, shipping extra

      Comes out to 485 usd. 80 bucks for cables each puts you at 645. Bildon sells this exact shifter for 679 with cables, plus US shipping(Interntional freight is included in the price). Sounds about right.

      Should have ours next week.

      I was a man... I was a good man... Selling insurance...

    29. 04-07-2006 02:48 AM #135
      I just bought some punch and flares to recreate the holes in the stock VWMS tower. Should be a good waste of money

    30. 04-07-2006 04:41 PM #136
      dimensions, please

    31. 04-07-2006 10:33 PM #137
      Dimensions for the punch and flares? I got a 1" and a 1.5". My tower will be roughly twice as tall as the stock tower pictured below. So a 1" hole towards the top just like stock and then a 1.5" towards the bottom. These give the curved lip just like the stock holes

    32. 04-08-2006 12:56 PM #138
      Nice... I need to pick up a couple of those too.

      what gauge are you making your tower out of? I was thinking a max of 16(thickest our break can cut), and maybe even using 18 or 20 to keep wweight down. Probably 18, though. The punches add alot of structural rigidity, so maybe even 20 would work.


      Modified by 1.BillyT at 10:58 AM 4-8-2006

      I was a man... I was a good man... Selling insurance...

    33. 04-08-2006 06:21 PM #139
      I'm gonna make mine out of 1/8" aluminum. Mines gonna be about 6" high and also the selctor cable stop is gonna be welded to the side of the tower so it will have to be some what strong. Yeah the flares will add a bit too. Those damn things were pricey! Cant wait to see some pics of yours this time around Billy! What car?

    34. 04-08-2006 09:41 PM #140
      Quote, originally posted by rallyebmx »
      Those damn things were pricey! Cant wait to see some pics of yours this time around Billy! What car?

      yeah, I just priced them... looking at 200 bucks for both dies... damn. I am gonna try some of the loca fab guys to see if they can punch them for me, though.

      Shifter is going in a Mk2 VRT, 630 wheel so far...

      I was a man... I was a good man... Selling insurance...

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