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    1. Member JonVWluver's Avatar
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      04-01-2005 07:43 PM #1
      I just wanted to see what everyone has to say about thier kits from BBM, I think they are great kits with great people really doing good for us VW peeps.
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

    2. 04-01-2005 10:19 PM #2

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      04-01-2005 10:52 PM #3
      My kit is great. It's an execelent bolt on that provides the 2.0l owners to compete with the VR's and in some cases beat them. I reccomend it for anyone who is looking for more power with upgradeability.

    4. 04-02-2005 03:31 AM #4
      I like mine.. lots of reliable fun with an upgraded clutch and peloquin .. hangs with vr6s with bolt-ons

    5. 04-09-2005 05:08 PM #5

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      04-25-2005 04:01 PM #6
      BMGFifty Do you own a white GTI? WITH THE 2ND STAGE ON IT? just wondering if it is you or not.
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

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      04-25-2005 04:17 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by JonVWluver »
      BMGFifty Do you own a white GTI? WITH THE 2ND STAGE ON IT? just wondering if it is you or not.

      Yeah, he's got a video of his dyno run somewhere, on here. Probably in that rather large BBM s/c thread.

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      04-25-2005 07:36 PM #8
      Quote, originally posted by JonVWluver »
      BMGFifty Do you own a white GTI? WITH THE 2ND STAGE ON IT? just wondering if it is you or not.

      Yep thats me.


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      04-26-2005 12:26 AM #9
      Its awesome what that bolton can do!
      Did the install myself and now i can beat RSX and friends.

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      04-26-2005 08:52 AM #10
      how long till your tranny pukes?
      I haven't been launching hard really. I'm sure my 02A can handle more than stageI, but no need to hurry it to it's demise.
      Too bad I dont know of a local place that would do the pelo install.

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      05-15-2005 09:55 PM #11
      Well I am sure that the stage one and your clutch will do fine for awhile, but after you install the 2ND stage you may have to change it shortly after, there is a lot more torque with Stage two, and the clutch install from a shop is not cheap, I asked around and it was about 4-5 hundred bucks, so I would go easy unless you have the money or the know how to install the bigger clutch.Have fun withthe kit though it's a lot of fun
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

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      05-29-2005 05:39 PM #12
      How long did it take you to install it all yourself? Was it really hard to do? later
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

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      05-29-2005 10:28 PM #13
      Ho boy!
      hehehe others have done it in 4 hours.
      Me about 8 lol so i guess it depends on how you are equipped in tools.
      But with common tools, you can do it!
      I took my time to make sure everything was well done and i had a bad time finding the correct belt size needed for an non ac setup...

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      05-30-2005 04:07 AM #14
      It took me 6 hours w/ a timing belt change and lunch.

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      05-30-2005 09:13 AM #15
      took me bout 10 hours in mid 30's degree weather and a wicked fever over the course of 2 days
      There's nothin ghard about it except dropping the oil pan really.
      Which is where I do believe I have 2 cross threaded bolts.

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      05-30-2005 02:23 PM #16
      So with the cd rom that comes with the kit, It's pretty self explanatory? So with a computer at hand and some every day tools, I'm good to go, is there any tool that is needed that someone may not have? I guess the question is what is the most important tool to have besides wrenches and sockets and drill set? Thanks for the info guys Johnny
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      05-30-2005 05:22 PM #17
      The only tool I didn't have was the 9/16 drill bit, otherwise it was all basic hand tools.
      It would be nice if BBM would include torque specs for all the bolts, but I recommend looking up a torque chart and going according to that.

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      06-01-2005 01:06 AM #18
      With your statement, That would be a great topic, I'm glad you let me know I need that drill bit thoughm what is that used for to Tap the oil pan? Thanks
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

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      06-01-2005 07:48 AM #19
      Yes it's used for drilling through the oil pan.

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      06-01-2005 01:46 PM #20
      Just got my stage1+ pulley this morning and threw it on. There is certainly a noticable difference in whine and power
      Unfortunately, during my...em, testing, my oil light started blinking and I had to pull off the hiway, dump a quart in, and limp home

    21. Member JonVWluver's Avatar
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      06-09-2005 01:34 PM #21
      So is your car doing ok? Got oil in it and ready to go? hope everything worked out ok
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

    22. 06-09-2005 01:36 PM #22
      what about the chip install? does BBM do this for you? did you DIY?

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      06-09-2005 05:29 PM #23
      Quote, originally posted by Pagano »


      Yeah, no shizzit. There was only a gazillion page thread on it.

      Use the search, sonny, use the search.

      It seems the government is currently saying, "While we're conducting this unspecified, unwarranted surveillance, we're totally thinking about how to not violate the 4th Amendment that we're currently violating. Because terrorism."

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      06-09-2005 10:33 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by JonVWluver »
      So is your car doing ok? Got oil in it and ready to go? hope everything worked out ok

      I put the stage1+ pulley on...had to use a pipe wrench to hold the pulley steady for loosening, tightening, but was careful not to mar the pulley lands and grooves.

      ANyway, drove it for a few miles till i hemmhoraged enough oil to head home.
      Today I attempted to silicone a new OEM oil pan gasket on. The gasket BBM sends is only a paper unit. I had an OEM laying around for a couple years which is metal and rubber.
      ANyway, letting it cure overnight, tomorrow oil goes in. If it doesn't work I guess I have to yank the tranny to bore out the two stripped holes


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      06-10-2005 12:25 AM #25
      Well the chip install is really easy, you just have to pull out your ECU take the cover off and unplug and plug in the new chip, I would highly recommend getting the car tuned in after all is done and said though You just have to find someone who has a Dyno.
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

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      06-10-2005 02:18 PM #26
      I have been defeated by my car.

      Drove with the stage1+ for about 3 miles, and if anything it seems smoother, without the kick in the shorts at 3500. odd. but then, I have to check my compression and all that.


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      06-10-2005 02:48 PM #27
      WHat do you mean defeated??
      The car runs bad?

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      06-10-2005 03:23 PM #28
      Defeated as far as my oil leak. Spent a couple hours dropping the pan, siliconing a new OEM (better than the paper one sent with the kit because it's metal coated in rubber) pan gasket to the pan, then siliconing the pan to the block. Let it cure over night. Dumped oil in it this morning and fired it up. Let it idle and went to the garage, came back and oil was spewing under the car. Guess which dumbass forgot to hook up the oil return? Anyway, so it was still coming out of the charger so I felt better about that. Went and got more oil, topped it off (about 2 quarts) and went for a drive.
      got back and not only is it spitting out of the breather tube, but the undercarriage is coated yet again.
      Short of pulling the tranny off to drill and tap those holes to the next bigger size, I'm not sure what to do anymore.
      I'm probably going to have to take it in somewhere and have them work on it.

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      06-10-2005 03:59 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by vwboomer2 »
      Defeated as far as my oil leak. Spent a couple hours dropping the pan, siliconing a new OEM (better than the paper one sent with the kit because it's metal coated in rubber) pan gasket to the pan, then siliconing the pan to the block. Let it cure over night. Dumped oil in it this morning and fired it up. Let it idle and went to the garage, came back and oil was spewing under the car. Guess which dumbass forgot to hook up the oil return? Anyway, so it was still coming out of the charger so I felt better about that. Went and got more oil, topped it off (about 2 quarts) and went for a drive.
      got back and not only is it spitting out of the breather tube, but the undercarriage is coated yet again.
      Short of pulling the tranny off to drill and tap those holes to the next bigger size, I'm not sure what to do anymore.
      I'm probably going to have to take it in somewhere and have them work on it.

      What the heck is going on with your car, please give me a call.

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    30. 06-10-2005 04:07 PM #30
      Quote, originally posted by JonVWluver »
      Well the chip install is really easy, you just have to pull out your ECU take the cover off and unplug and plug in the new chip

      forgive my ignorance, but does that mean that ALL chip installs are a matter of unplugging the OEM one and plugging in an aftermarket? ie: the ECU is socketed from the factory and no soldering is necessary?


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      06-10-2005 04:23 PM #31
      mk3 = easy (like changing ram in a computer, remove and put and make sure to ground yourself. Static electricity is your enemy)
      mk4 = hard (soldered and needs a specialist or of course you know how to and are good at electronics)

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      06-11-2005 11:51 AM #32
      Quote, originally posted by JBETZ »

      What the heck is going on with your car, please give me a call.

      lol don't wory john, it's nothing with the kit. It's the damnable oil leak. Again, it's only when driving the car, it doesn't leak at idle.
      Currently looking for a different engine to swap in in case I have to pull this one out to tap those holes.
      I haven't looked at my Bentley yet, but if I can seperate the tranny from the engine 1 inch without pulling it, that would be enough to get a drill bit up there to tap a new set of holes for the pan.
      I ought to get all this sorted out just in time for winter
      Momma always said I wasn't smart enough to know better


      edit Ok so I threw it up on jackstands again. Can't admit defeat
      I blocked the throttle open so it held at about 3k rpm and crawled under the car and was immediately greeted by oil dripping in my eye. cool! Actually, probably about 180 degrees, but still. PART of the problem is oil coming from the plate that surrounds the crank on the pass side. I turned on the bolts a little more and it seemd to take care of it! woohoo! Test drive...still leaks. But not from there anyway. I still think it's coming from the oil pan, but not on the tranny side. Seems to run around the passenger side more. Also, the area under the dipstick tube is appearing damp. Is there an oring on that?

      Anyway, the saga continues


      Modified by vwboomer2 at 1:44 PM 6-11-2005


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      06-13-2005 02:21 AM #33
      I can't answer any of your questions but I hope you get your car all worked out,the best of luck to you.
      Drive it like it's the last time you will because it might just be!

    34. 06-13-2005 10:49 AM #34
      Quote, originally posted by vwboomer2 »
      I still think it's coming from the oil pan, but not on the tranny side. Seems to run around the passenger side more. Also, the area under the dipstick tube is appearing damp. Is there an oring on that?

      Anyway, the saga continues

      pull your timing belt covers off. it could easily be the main or intermediate shaft seal. don't forget, there's an o-ring behind the intermediate shaft seal housing as well.


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      06-14-2005 02:58 AM #35
      Sounds like high crankcase pressure... hard to believe though... did this all start happening immediately after you added the smaller pulley?


      Modified by Peter Tong at 3:03 AM 6-14-2005

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