High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger

**blubayou** · 10-24-2002 02:14 AM

I have to enjoy it now, cause in 3 weeks, it will begin it's long winter nap. Right after I romp on it at Lime Rock for one last hoorah! (11/11 - which just happens to be my birthday, too. Happy birthday to me!)

**JettaRed** · 10-24-2002 06:56 AM

Notice that this thread started December 28 last year, when it was cold out. That's why all I could say was wahoo!

I have had to raise the trigger pressure on the water injection to avoid misfire CELs. I must say I really like the low-end torque with the charger. The only car I've driven lately that feels like my charger is an older Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GS-T that one of my customers traded when he bought a Saab 9-3 SE Convertible from me. (Now, that's a sweet car--the Saab.)

**inovillo** · 10-24-2002 11:09 AM

I'm getting jelous man !!!!
Here in Miami we still have 70 + on a daily basis and I can't see more than 5 PSI in my boost gauge

I know I don't have the small pulley but still... cool weather, please come down here !!!!

**l8zer** · 10-25-2002 09:04 AM

you American's don't have a clue what cold is!... it was -5 Celcius this morning outside thats 23F.. and damm the car is mucho quick!! to bad I'm storing it for the winter. It actually gets down to -30C here during the winter.. again that being -22F for you Amiricans

They don't call us Canadians Snow birds for no reason... We all head south where it's warm for a vacation.

**2kjettaguy** · 10-28-2002 10:22 PM

Can anyone guess what this is?

it starts with a 268 and usually exhausts a 260. $50 from a friend who blew his stage 4 g60. A smokin' deal, and I haven't even paid for it yet lol

We will see how this affects a mk4! (when I get time to do the install )

**JettaRed** · 10-28-2002 10:50 PM

quote:
Can anyone guess what this is?

It's a chair! You can't fool me!

**Golf_2K2L** · 10-30-2002 10:37 PM

In Canada, VW just started selling the Golf CL. It's pretty well a base Golf
GL 2.0L with only 3 exterior colours (black, red & white) & 1 interior colour
(black).

The base Golf CL sells for $2,000 (Cdn) less than the base Golf GL. My
friend is going to slap on a Neuspeed Supercharger ($4,000 Cdn) onto his
new Golf CL.

Since the Golf CL cost $2,000 less the a GL he is only paying $2,000
Canadian for the Neuspeed Supercharger that's only $1,275.38 US.

[Modified by Golf_2K2L, 10:41 PM 10-30-2002]

**JettaRed** · 10-30-2002 11:24 PM

In the States, the '03 GL is pretty much equipped liked the GLS last year. It now has power windows, etc. The '03 GLS comes standard with a moonroof and alloy wheels. So, it sounds like the CL is equivalent to the GL of earlier model years. Is it lighter than the GL? Is it a two-door? He could make it look like a de-badged GTI!

**JettaRed** · 10-30-2002 11:30 PM

Holy Cow! The Golf CL is only $17,950CDN--that's like $3.95 US, isn't it? (J/K)

Actually, that's a pretty good price. But, don't you have to pay another $10,000CDN in sales tax or added value tax or something?

**inovillo** · 10-31-2002 10:05 AM

I just ordered the 2.6 pulley for the SC... can't wait to received it and put in on !!!
I don't need to change the belt, right ?

**JettaRed** · 10-31-2002 10:22 AM

You should be ok with the stock belt. However, if you do need to go a little smaller, you can get a Gates or Dayco belt to fit. If you have a MKIV, don't worry about finding a double-sided belt--you won't! Just go with a 6-rib single sided belt.

**inovillo** · 10-31-2002 10:48 AM

How would I be able to tell if the belt is sliping ?

**JettaRed** · 10-31-2002 11:01 AM

quote:
How would I be able to tell if the belt is sliping ?

It may or may not make noise. If you have a boost gauge hooked up, you may see the boost go high and drop down, even though you are increasing rpms. As the charger builds boost, it requires more hp to turn the rotors. If the belt is going to slip, it will slip as it has to respond to more resisitance from the charger.

From your physics class, you know that the coefficient of static (non-slipping) friction is greater than kinetic (slipping) friction. So, there is less grip once the belt starts to slip, the rotors don't turn as fast, and you get less boost or an observable drop in boost.

To play it safe, you can always just get a belt that's approximately .5" to 1" shorter than what you now have. Make sure you don't go too short or you won't be able to get it on. Belts run about $30, so you may want to wait and see if you need it. With the 2.6 pulley, you should see 8 to 9 psi once it cools down down there.

**2kjettaguy** · 10-31-2002 11:13 AM

When I had belt slip problems, I found that an excellent way to test was to sit in the car, let it idle and turn the ac on. When my belt was in slip mode, whenever I turned on my ac the belt slipped on the pulley and shrieked like all hell when I turned the AC on. It sounded like a old P.O.S.

I am not sure if that would be the belt slipping on the ac pulley or the supercharger pulley, but it happened when I was having slip problems so it sounds like a good experiement to me.

Also, like Bill said, boost goes crazy. Mine would climb to 5, then where it should raise to 7 it dipped back down to 3 or 4, then back up a bit. It never saw more than 5 psi.

**inovillo** · 10-31-2002 11:13 AM

Thanks

Yep, I really hope to see at least 8 psi since now I'm at 5...

**Merlin703** · 10-31-2002 04:21 PM

yeah man, let me know how that pulley goes. I was thinking about doing the upgrade. Hope, it is sweet.

**blubayou** · 10-31-2002 08:38 PM

quote:
Can anyone guess what this is?

it starts with a 268 and usually exhausts a 260. $50 from a friend who blew his stage 4 g60. A smokin' deal, and I haven't even paid for it yet lol
We will see how this affects a mk4! (when I get time to do the install )

I got one of those. Hope it does for you what it did for mine

**Merlin703** · 10-31-2002 09:25 PM

Hey, I got one too.

Just kidding. Happy Halloween everyone.

**97 Golf SC** · 11-01-2002 09:12 AM

anyone using the 268/260 on an OBDII car? I have been trying to figure out about the check engine light with this? I think it will since the intake is larger than 266 which is supose to be the highest. But maybe the charger will change that . . .

**JettaRed** · 11-01-2002 09:32 AM

quote:
anyone using the 268/260 on an OBDII car? I have been trying to figure out about the check engine light with this? I think it will since the intake is larger than 266 which is supose to be the highest. But maybe the charger will change that . . .

Do you mean the MKIII or MKIV? Hillside Imports at http://www.hillsideimports.com put a 268/260 in their MKIII SC Cabrio (ABA engine). You may want to give them a call. The MKIV (AEG) engines seem to be the ones sensitive to the more agressive cams.

**97 Golf SC** · 11-01-2002 11:24 AM

well I have the MKIII with the ABA, so if anyone has that it would be helpfull. But in general any OBDII engine. I think their SC cabrio was an OBDI. They said it idled nicely, not too rough.

I know with the OBDII ABA's you can get away with a 266. But every now and then I got the code with my 266 in the ABA . . . really high humidity I think caused it. I am almost definatly gunna get the 268/260, just trying to get an idea of what to expect.

**2kjettaguy** · 11-01-2002 11:45 AM

Well, I think I may install my 268/260 tonight in my mk4. I know I am not going to like the check engine light, but I want to see how it reacts.

More info later. For now I am going to play with my chair!

**2kjettaguy** · 11-02-2002 02:34 AM

Ahh, cam is in

It took a little over 2 hours with my dad helping for the technical parts. The car is a serious rocket. Anything over 4k it rips so hard. Idle is lumpy, but consistent. I put 70 miles on it tonight driving around

...and no check engine light (knock on wood)

One question though. My boost levels seem to stop at 5 psi. I am running the stock pulley. In 3rd it will climb to 5, but now more redline 7 psi spike . Boost seems to hold steady between 4 and 5 but never exceeds that. Regardless, the car is fast and it feels right, despite what the boost gauge reads. I htink maybe the engine is now using a larger volume of air than the charger can compress at high rpms? Possibly. I know the belt isn't slipping (we double checked) and no vacuum leaks. Odd, eh? Still rips. I estimate 145 to the wheels

**PowerDubs** · 11-02-2002 02:51 AM

quote:
Still rips. I estimate 145 to the wheels

**JettaRed** · 11-02-2002 08:59 AM

quote:
Ahh, cam is in It took a little over 2 hours with my dad helping for the technical parts. The car is a serious rocket. Anything over 4k it rips so hard. Idle is lumpy, but consistent. I put 70 miles on it tonight driving around ...and no check engine light (knock on wood)
One question though. My boost levels seem to stop at 5 psi. I am running the stock pulley. In 3rd it will climb to 5, but now more redline 7 psi spike . Boost seems to hold steady between 4 and 5 but never exceeds that. Regardless, the car is fast and it feels right, despite what the boost gauge reads. I htink maybe the engine is now using a larger volume of air than the charger can compress at high rpms? Possibly. I know the belt isn't slipping (we double checked) and no vacuum leaks. Odd, eh? Still rips. I estimate 145 to the wheels

Very cool! When I get a job...hmmm

You are probably experiencing more air going into the cylinders, resulting in less pressure build-up in the manifold. With the 2.8" pulley, 5 psi is probably about right. Try the 2.6 or smaller and see what happens.

**Velocity731** · 11-04-2002 10:26 AM

well I see Inovillo hasnt posted his recent sucess at the track, he was running 15.8 consistently ( in 80+ weather) ..not bad for his s/c still being stock...we will see what kind of times he gets with the 2.6 he just ordered....

**inovillo** · 11-04-2002 12:18 PM

quote:
well I see Inovillo hasnt posted his recent sucess at the track, he was running 15.8 consistently ( in 80+ weather) ..not bad for his s/c still being stock...we will see what kind of times he gets with the 2.6 he just ordered....

God, you don't give me time for sh%t, ahh !!!
Well, yes I went to the track and after I got used to the Nitto Drag tires I was doing 15.81 all the time so I just let it be. I'm pretty happy with the #'s keeping in mind I'm only boosting 5psi with the 2.8" pulley. The 2.6" is sitting in my room right now and hopefully I will be able to put it on in the weekend. After that I'm expecting to run low 15's (2.6" and a few degrees less).
Christopher: I have the 260 cam from Autotech with the 2.8 pulley and I don't see more than 5psi either
From 4,800 to redline is all the time @ 5psi... lets see how it goes with the 2.6...

**TooLFan46n2** · 11-04-2002 01:12 PM

quote:
well I see Inovillo hasnt posted his recent sucess at the track, he was running 15.8 consistently ( in 80+ weather) ..not bad for his s/c still being stock...we will see what kind of times he gets with the 2.6 he just ordered....
God, you don't give me time for sh%t, ahh !!!
Well, yes I went to the track and after I got used to the Nitto Drag tires I was doing 15.81 all the time so I just let it be. I'm pretty happy with the #'s keeping in mind I'm only boosting 5psi with the 2.8" pulley. The 2.6" is sitting in my room right now and hopefully I will be able to put it on in the weekend. After that I'm expecting to run low 15's (2.6" and a few degrees less).
Christopher: I have the 260 cam from Autotech with the 2.8 pulley and I don't see more than 5psi either
From 4,800 to redline is all the time @ 5psi... lets see how it goes with the 2.6...

15.8 is pretty good. I used to fool around with my buddy in his well modded neon. At the track he ran 15.6, when we raced we were even till 3rd, then my nose would be at his door. The 2.6 should help out, I defintely could feel the added torque instantly at 2k after the install. With the 2.8 pulley and autotech 260 I could only hit 6 PSI at about 6300 RPM.

**JettaRed** · 11-04-2002 09:08 PM

quote:
Ahh, cam is in It took a little over 2 hours with my dad helping ...

Evan, did you keep stock valve springs?

I went to see my daughters at college yesterday in mountainous western Maryland. I love how the SC pulls easily up some pretty steep hills and I fly past all the 20 ton SUVs struggling along!

BTW, this is a bit off-topic, but I thought I'd mention it. A little while ago, I had a cut boot on the passenger side axle and had to get it replaced. I removed my lower tie bar so the mechanics wouldn't charge me more. For a couple of days, I noticed my car creaking a lot making turns and going over bumps. I put the tie bar back on and no more creaks. I guess the thing does make a difference.

**DblYeloRado** · 11-05-2002 06:26 AM

well this thread was interesting but, i can no longer participate. sold my car last week. it was sad to see it drive away mainly because i dumped about 9k-10k in it in the last year

and got none of it back didnt want to deal with selling parts and returning it to its stock form, that'll teach me

**JettaRed** · 11-05-2002 07:32 AM

This is a sad, sad day. A moment of silence, please.

**JettaRed** · 11-05-2002 07:33 AM

Your are forever an honorary member and can participate whenever you want.

**inovillo** · 11-05-2002 07:56 AM

quote:

BTW, this is a bit off-topic, but I thought I'd mention it. A little while ago, I had a cut boot on the passenger side axle and had to get it replaced.

Funny, mines is broken too and the passenger side also
Would it be coincidence or VW's fault

**97 Golf SC** · 11-05-2002 11:36 AM

anyone have anymore information about the 268/260 cams and how they worked in the cars?

**2kjettaguy** · 11-05-2002 11:48 AM

Works great in my car! The car loves it up top now, and it gives it an infinite powerband now. I have smacked redline quite a few times just by accident! When it hits 4k the needle just flys over

No idle problems, runs great

Thread: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger

Thread Tools

Search Thread

Display

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (blubayou)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (TooLFan46n2)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (inovillo)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (l8zer)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (2kjettaguy)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (Golf_2K2L)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (inovillo)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (inovillo)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (inovillo)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (2kjettaguy)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (2kjettaguy)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (Merlin703)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (1997 Golf GL)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (1997 Golf GL)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (2kjettaguy)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (2kjettaguy)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (2kjettaguy)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (Velocity731)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (inovillo)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (2kjettaguy)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (NORTAVE2.0)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (NORTAVE2.0)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (JettaRed)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (inovillo)

Re: High-altitude pulley for NS Supercharger (1997 Golf GL)

Posting Permissions