Red Sox Only Thread --

[GTiTOM]

Im not a huge fan for the "win" stat for pitchers but was pretty shocked to see that Bard has as many wins as either Beckett or Lester and he hasnt made a start in how long?

I think they said in the game last night that if Beckett and Lester were each just .500, they'd be 3 games behind the yankees and 1.5 ahead in the wild card.

Obviously the win stat is deceptive, but those guys would be .500 if they didn't suck this year. It's not a run support issue going on with them --- they just haven't been good, never mind good for your 1-2 aces.

[Cooper]

I think they said in the game last night that if Beckett and Lester were each just .500, they'd be 3 games behind the yankees and 1.5 ahead in the wild card.

I was just going to post that.

[ed rooney]

Supposedly they are shopping Beckett and the have 3 or 4 teams in the mix. Rangers, Braves and Dodgers if the eat some of the salary and get it off the books that is a huge win

Of course Beckett will then have something to prove and go 6-0 for another team down the stretch and lead them into the Playoffs

I heard the Reds have big interest in Ellsbury, but unless you get a stud pitching prospect and some other blue chippers i am not sure I'd do it. Unless the Sox know Ells has no intention of signing or vice versa

I really hope the move Beckett even if its only for a blue chip prospect and a lower level lottery ticket or 2

[Sporin]

Beckett shopping seems to be an on-again, off-again thing the last few days. Ultimately I'm not sure there are any legitimate takers.

I'd love to see the Sox resign Ellsbury but I expect him to want a fortune and I'd like them to not overpay for another outfielder.

[ed rooney]

Now the report is the Sox are going to be buyers and look for another pitcher before the deadline. One name I'm hearing is Justin Masterson bad record but nasty stuff. I'd take him back

[Sporin]

Now the report is the Sox are going to be buyers and look for another pitcher before the deadline. One name I'm hearing is Justin Masterson bad record but nasty stuff. I'd take him back

I'd take Masterson back as well. If they can win 7 or 8 in this home stand they will be right in the thick of the wildcard race, which is pretty amazing for a .500 team.

[Sporin]

Official: #RedSox today acquired LHP Craig Breslow from Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for RHP Matt Albers & OF Scott Podsednik.

[ed rooney]

Great we got rid of Fat Albers, for a soft tossing left reliever. Just the move I was hoping for

Why we didn't move Shoppach and bring up Lavaraway is Beyond me...In other news dumbass Sweeney punches a wall and breaks his hand so we can't move him for a bags of balls

Can't blame the Sox for not selling the farm system if the right move was'nt availiable. But IMO this team needed a shake up If we get the second playoff spot and lose what the hell is the point.

I hope there is a late breaking deal the commish has to sign off on

[Cooper]

In other news dumbass Sweeney punches a wall and breaks his hand so we can't move him for a bags of balls.

Smart move on his part, if you ask me.

[Sporin]

WCAX.com

"Red Sox Trade Deadline Reaction
29 mins ago
Mike McCune catches up with NESN Baseball analyst Jerry Remy Tuesday to talk about the moves, or lack there of, at the trade Deadline. Boston made two minor moves acquiring right-handed knuckleballer Steven Wright from the Cleveland Indians for first baseman Lars Anderson. The Sox also traded outfielder Scott Podsednik and right-hander Matt Albers to the Arizona Diamondbacks for left-hander Craig Breslow.

Despite rumors and reports, troubled Sox starter Josh Beckett was not traded Tuesday and made his scheduled start against the Tigers. A start he left in the third inning with a back spasm."

Didn't realize we traded Lars away.

[Sporin]

So who's our top 1st base prospect now?

[ed rooney]

Who cares who ever it is is blocked by Gonzo for the next 6 years

[Sporin]

Who cares who ever it is is blocked by Gonzo for the next 6 years

That would seem to be the case.

[robr2]

Who cares who ever it is is blocked by Gonzo for the next 6 years

Concur. Once the Sox signed Gonzo, Anderson was destined to spend the next few years up and down or traded. Glad he's now going to have the chance to stay in the big leagues for good.

[robr2]

Despite rumors and reports, troubled Sox starter Josh Beckett was not traded Tuesday and made his scheduled start against the Tigers. A start he left in the third inning with a back spasm.

How convenient. Back spasms just after the trading deadline. He'll be a waste the rest of the season.

[GeoffD]

7 1/2 back. Now where did I put that pink hat?

[Sporin]

How convenient. Back spasms just after the trading deadline. He'll be a waste the rest of the season.

Yup, he's a diva in the best of times, after a week of desperately trying to give him away to another team... unsuccessfully, I'm sure he'll be utterly useless down the stretch to stick it to management (thus proving why no other team will touch him, and probably not seeing the irony).

[GTiTOM]

So who's our top 1st base prospect now?

Was it still even lars before he was traded?

[g60rabbit]

How convenient. Back spasms just after the trading deadline. He'll be a waste the rest of the season.

Really what you need is to make him go on the DL [not sure that possible to do to a vet that doesnt want to go].

You had a replacment for Cook in Moralis [lefty guy in pen?]

And anything might be better then Beckett at this point.

The reason the Sox still have a shot at the postseason is because does anyone really trust the teams ahead of them?

On the other hand the team seems very disfunctional. I have never heard so much out of one locker room before.

Bobby has no idea whats going on with Crawford.

Crawford has no idea whats going on with Crawford.

Players are going to managment complaining about Bobby.

Bobby is complaining about managment to the media [without even being asked]

Pedrioa calls out Bobby.

Ortiz complains about his contract weekly.

It even sounded like Cook took a shot at Salty for calling a curve ball to Miggy. Then Bobby leaves him in to face the lefty Fielder anyway.

[ed rooney]

the problems start at the top for the Redsox. Henry has no involvement with the team Lucchino is calling all the Shots.

He hires Valentine but all ready had a staff in place. Pitching coach doesn't talk to Bobby, Bullpen/ catcher coach doesn't talk to Bobby. Training staff has a huge role in calling shots health wise more so than any team because of (last years debacle.) I have ever heard of. they don't communicate with Bobby.

You would have been better having Bobby V and his shoot from the hip style but instead he is a muted version of his old self. And I think Bobby V is the best talent evaluator and baseball mind the Sox have which is good but scarey in its own right

Players call out Bobby V when he tries to light a fire or handle the situation the way he see's fit he is the manager after all.

You have a new GM that carries no weight because he is a puppet for Lucchino.

If this was a business it would fail everyone has to be a part of the team and contribute. They should have let Bobby pick his own guys.

All that being said the players especially pitchers have not done there job Lester and Beckett are supposed to be Pros and get in shape and stay in shape during the season.

Bobby can only run out there the team he has.

Sox should have made a better run at a serious hard ass take no sh!t guy like Farrell or Kirk Gibson. I would have love to see Pedroia run his mouth at one of those guys

[Sporin]

Was it still even lars before he was traded?

I don't know, he's listed as a first baseman I'm not sure he's been starting there in Pawtucket. I might have my wires crossed somewhere.

[Sporin]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ns-development

What Went Horribly Wrong in Former Red Sox Prospect Lars Anderson's Development?

[ed rooney]

I'd say its easy to pinpoint..He raked in lower level against weaker pitching, advanced to more MLB level pitching and did'nt do as well..He likely lost some confidence along the way and the Sox picking up a superstar at his position did'nt help

[Sporin]

http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/8...hind-the-plate

Lavarnway starting on Friday.

[GTiTOM]

I don't know, he's listed as a first baseman I'm not sure he's been starting there in Pawtucket. I might have my wires crossed somewhere.

Oh, I more meant that I was wondering if there's another 1b ranked ahead of him now. The comments on the article you linked to were more interesting than the article itself. Some good theories there, but it sounds like maybe they just rushed him. Kid's only 24. Not everyone is Mike Trout. There's a slew of these post-hype guys producing these days --- guys like reddick, salty, and even Jose Bautista come to mind. I wouldn't be surprised to see Anderson putting up Agon equivalent #s in 2-3 years.

[g60rabbit]

7 1/2 back. Now where did I put that pink hat?

Inching back to double digits...what color is your hat now

Beckett skips bullpen session may miss a start

This team frustates ME lol and im a Yankee fan

Dump this guy for a bag a balls. Get him away from Lester and Clay.

[ed rooney]

When you say Agon numbers do you mean 15 HRs .290 BA and 80 rbi's LOL

Sox should have stuck with Reddick but Tito didn't like him IMO, but if Bailey didn't get hurt that trade wouldn't look so lopsided..

Be interesting if Reddick keep up the hitting for Multiple years

[GTiTOM]

This team frustates ME lol and im a Yankee fan

Dump this guy for a bag a balls. Get him away from Lester and Clay.

Really, I think it's this simple

When you say Agon numbers do you mean 15 HRs .290 BA and 80 rbi's LOL

actually, ya. Unfortunately. I meant agon this year. I think lars will end up being a .290/20/90 kinda guy. In other words, a decent contributor, but not anywhere near the hype that was expected.

Sox should have stuck with Reddick but Tito didn't like him IMO, but if Bailey didn't get hurt that trade wouldn't look so lopsided..

Be interesting if Reddick keep up the hitting for Multiple years

I mean, no one expected Reddick to be as good as he's been. And Bailey was a solid -- if not for an injury, he'd be their closer all year. I still think that given how things were at the time that it was a good trade.

[robr2]

Inching back to double digits...what color is your hat now

Kind of a magenta right now.

[Cooper]

Not Red Sox related, but I found this .

http://www.telegram.com/article/2012...33/1009/sports

East Brookfield to honor Connie Mack with special day

Bill Ballou Baseball
wballou@telegram.com

... For instance, did you know that East Brookfield native Connie Mack, born when Abraham Lincoln was serving his first term as president, has a daughter who is still alive?

... Born in 1862 in a house that still stands along Route 9 in East Brookfield Center, his hometown will honor him next month, some 150 years later ...

... And, yes, it is indeed true that Mack has one surviving child, a daughter, Ruth, who is 96 and lives near Philadelphia ..."

[PhantomDubs]

Did the Twins just pick our pocket for Danny Valencia? Wtf is the point of that trade?

[JettaGT8V80]

Dump this guy for a bag a balls. Get him away from Lester and Clay.

this he had a great chance to prove us all wrong when they kept him and he started that night, and what does he do he "pulls" his back fat, he is ruining our two best long term pitching options

its time we hit the reset button let get rid of all these overpriced babies who cant make it thought a complete game and let the young guys play

i havent been able to watch a full game this season they arent even trying anymore

[ed rooney]

Its starting to look like the the same old Sox pre 2002...Soon enough they will be selling the old stand by T shirt I used to see it Kenmore Square on a regular basis end of August and into September...... Red Sox Magic # 911

[Sporin]

I am generally not a "blame the coach/manager" type of guy but it's clear Valentine was a bad fit for this team from the outset. They need to clean house with the coaching staff and start fresh with a strong-handed, manager who's allowed to bring in his own staff.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseb...173&position=0

And fwiw, my opinion seems to run counter to the vast majority of commenters on that article... so what do I know.

[ed rooney]

This team is rotting from the head down, Lucchino needs to go, Henry no longer pays attention to this team. Cherington is a puppet , Bobby V wasn't able to bring in his own guys or be himself. He gets back stabed by his coaches...just a clusterFK. I think the team needs to be sold and bring in some new blood with balls and restructure..This management group has lost its fastball

As I said before its like trying to run a business made up of managing parties who are not on the same page...It has to be a team effort or it doesn't work.

I think ownership brought in guys like Lackey and Crawford totally based on ratings...The Sox have turned into the Yankees after the original run of WS. Bring in High priced FA's and expect results.

Beckett has been the poster child for lazy out of shape ball players. They should have done everything to move him...

Firing Bobby V doesn't hold the team accountable for anything...This mess is on upper management and the Players not the Manager