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[LGBoogie19]

Quote, originally posted by ed rooney »

Brian Roberts among other Orioles says hello...If you think all teams wer'nt cheating before testing or even after testing..Your just oblivious

Nice, just assuming that I'm a fan of the suck ass Orioles just because I live in Maryland. They are a team that endorses juicers just like the Sox and the Yanks.

Yeah and the news I was referring to is the report of the former Red Sox clubhouse employees getting fired to trying to distribute the juice.

[ed rooney]

Speaking of King felix check out this supposedly offer the Sox made
http://seattletimes.nwsource.c....html

There would have been no one left in the farm.

How about Bard closing out the game Saturday night 11 pitches 2 Ks..Remember when Pap used to do that???

[ed rooney]

Quote, originally posted by LGBoogie19 »

Nice, just assuming that I'm a fan of the suck ass Orioles just because I live in Maryland. They are a team that endorses juicers just like the Sox and the Yanks. Yeah and the news I was referring to is the report of the former Red Sox clubhouse employees getting fired to trying to distribute the juice.

The wer'nt fired for trying to distribute anything.. They were fired because 1 employee was stopped by the State troopers and the found a vial of steroids. When asked where he got them he named the other employee who also happened to be Jerry Remy's kid.

There was no substancial information linking them to anything going on in the Clubhouse. MLB investigated and found nothing.

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by ed rooney »

There was no substancial information linking them to anything going on in the Clubhouse.

You mean besides the fact that they were clubhouse employees.

[beng]

Quote, originally posted by blackbora77 »

You mean besides the fact that they were clubhouse employees.

Yep ...other than that

Hey, by the way, what time is the Ortiz press conference? Im curious as to his explanation/apology. Oh wait... there isnt a press conference.

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by beng »

Yep ...other than that Hey, by the way, what time is the Ortiz press conference? Im curious as to his explanation/apology. Oh wait... there isnt a press conference.

I think it's scheduled for right after Manny's.

[ThatGuyRyan]

Quote, originally posted by blackbora77 »

You mean besides the fact that they were clubhouse employees.

Good call, because my company is liable for anything I do off company time.

I live in reality too, and I know how it looks, still doesn't change the fact it's circumstantial.

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by ThatGuyRyan »

Good call, because my company is liable for anything I do off company time. I live in reality too, and I know how it looks, still doesn't change the fact it's circumstantial.

If it looks like a cheating, juicing roider, quacks like a cheating, juicing roider...

[ed rooney]

They were security members they were not club house employees according to the Globe article...I don't know what else has been printed in other papers.

One guy was manny's errand boy still does'nt make them "club House" employee's

Whatever Ortiz tested positive no one is denying that.. How would you like to be Jerry Remy first you get cancer then your kid publically embarrasses you on a HUGE public stage

[ed rooney]

Quote, originally posted by blackbora77 »

If it looks like a cheating, juicing roider, quacks like a cheating, juicing roider...

At least Ortiz is'nt as dumb as jackass Ramirez and gets caught in 2009 when every one knows thetesting crackdown is going on. And Dodger fans continue to give him a free pass

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by ed rooney »

And Dodger fans continue to give him a free pass

Agreed. Its embarrassing and it irks me to no end.

But please dont act like Dodger fans are the only ones who dont care.

[ed rooney]

Its not just Dodger fans....But the way trhese names are being leaked out each time a new one surfaces most fans care less and less

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by ed rooney »

Its not just Dodger fans....But the way trhese names are being leaked out each time a new one surfaces most fans care less and less

Thats certainly been the case with me. Its too hard to keep caring because its obvious that MLB, ownership, and the players don't. And i'm not going to boycott baseball games - Way too many other important things in life to worry about.

[Methalius]

Quote, originally posted by LGBoogie19 »

Nice, just assuming that I'm a fan of the suck ass Orioles just because I live in Maryland. They are a team that endorses juicers just like the Sox and the Yanks.

So who do you root for and what is the point of your posts? Are you just venting or do you want to sling mud because you're bored?

[LGBoogie19]

Quote, originally posted by Methalius »

So who do you root for and what is the point of your posts? Are you just venting or do you want to sling mud because you're bored?

I'm a Seattle fan and yes I am just venting because my team sucks and the Red Sox kick ass. Actually I just get sick of all the bandwagoning Sox fans across the country.

[napkinn]

Says a Seattle fan in Maryland. I'm a Sox fan in South Carolina, but I'm a Boston transplant.

Don't be quick to judge before you know where these bandwagon fans are originally from.

[LGBoogie19]

I never said every Red Sox fan was a bandwagoner. Just the whole ****load that appeared out of nowhere after they won the 04' (tainted) World Series.

[GTiTOM]

Quote, originally posted by LGBoogie19 »

I never said every Red Sox fan was a bandwagoner. Just the whole ****load that appeared out of nowhere after they won the 04' (tainted) World Series.

Oh please, like Arod wasn't juicin' when he was on the mariners! And the M's overpaid for Adrian Beltre after his steroid year in 04 with the dodgers. I also wouldn't be surprised if Jay Buhner, Bret Boone, Richie Sexson, Guardado, Putz, etc, etc, were juicing based on stats and career #s vs. peak #s.

Again, NO ONE is beyond suspicion of some sort of PED. It's just a question of whether people were jabbing needles in their asses or taking supplements with Andro (as McGwire was known to do and Arroyo said everyone was doing).

[redsoxreturns]

Quote, originally posted by GTiTOM »

Oh please, like Arod wasn't juicin' when he was on the mariners! And the M's overpaid for Adrian Beltre after his steroid year in 04 with the dodgers. I also wouldn't be surprised if Jay Buhner, Bret Boone, Richie Sexson, Guardado, Putz, etc, etc, were juicing based on stats and career #s vs. peak #s. Again, NO ONE is beyond suspicion of some sort of PED. It's just a question of whether people were jabbing needles in their asses or taking supplements with Andro (as McGwire was known to do and Arroyo said everyone was doing).

bingo. at this point who really f'in cares. if MLB isn't REALLY going to anything about the history/records (which would need to be erased from day 1), then lets all just move on and consider this another bump in the road in our national pastime.

[2004VdubJTI]

I love the whole steroid talk. Its a holier than though BS thing. If anyone of us were could have made an extra five to ten million dollars per by taking steroids, 99.9% of us would do the same friggen thing. Especially without getting caught. Yes, David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez took steroids. Why? To make a whole **** load of money. Thats why. Players are still taking stuff too. Hell, HGH is only detectable with a blood test. Guess what? They don't do blood tests, just urine. Players are always going to find ways to get an advantage when it comes to making more money.

It doesn't taint the Red Sox WS wins at all. Just because they got caught doesn't mean they were the only ones. Its stupid to think that.

And now for the new report. Someone is always going to know someone who takes something, whether it be steroids or pills or even smoking weed. Just because someone who worked for the organization took and sold it doesn't mean that everyone they knew took it.

I love when people talk about things they truly know nothing about.

[2004VdubJTI]

Quote, originally posted by blackbora77 »

You mean besides the fact that they were clubhouse employees.

Guilty by association? Wow, what a smart comment.

[GeoffD]

Quote, originally posted by 2004VdubJTI »

Especially without getting caught. Yes, David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez took steroids. Why? To make a whole **** load of money.

If I could get a 4 year $50 million contract, it's a no-brainer. That is life changing money.

[2004VdubJTI]

Quote, originally posted by GeoffD »

If I could get a 4 year $50 million contract, it's a no-brainer. That is life changing money.

Exactly bro. People really do bash the isht out of these guys, but they never put themselves in their shoes. I just get so aggrivated when the media or anyone throws stones. A lot of these guys come from nothing, so they are trying to make as much as they can while the goings good.

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by 2004VdubJTI »

Guilty by association? Wow, what a smart comment.

huh?

[g60roddo]

Quote, originally posted by ed rooney »

How about Bard closing out the game Saturday night 11 pitches 2 Ks..Remember when Pap used to do that???

Amazing. I don't understand how anyone can hit that curve, period... not to mention w/ 99 MPH heater to set it up. Hopefully the sox have their man when Pap walks.

[GTiTOM]

Quote, originally posted by GeoffD »

If I could get a 4 year $50 million contract, it's a no-brainer. That is life changing money.

Or, if you're a minor leaguer who would never make the bigs on your own, but know that just getting there and playing for a couple years will set your family up for life ($3 or $4 million is most people will make in their careers), you wouldn't do it?

If your boss took you into a room one day and said, "hey, drink this tonic.....it will make you so smart that you'll be CEO by the end of the year and you'll be making at least a million dollars a year. And if no one catches you drinking the tonic, you could be CEO of a few other companies too. But if you do get caught, well, you can keep the money, but we'll have to suspend you for the summer.....but you can come back and try it again if you want. If you don't drink it, you'll be an entry level sales guy for the next 10 years, and then we'll fire you and you'll have zero marketable skills. Take your choice".

I mean, isn't it kind of a no brainer?

[ed rooney]

Fine anology

[rlsib16]

im doing that in my cubicle right now.
taking the Ken Griffey Jr brain tonic

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by GTiTOM »

Or, if you're a minor leaguer who would never make the bigs on your own, but know that just getting there and playing for a couple years will set your family up for life ($3 or $4 million is most people will make in their careers), you wouldn't do it? If your boss took you into a room one day and said, "hey, drink this tonic.....it will make you so smart that you'll be CEO by the end of the year and you'll be making at least a million dollars a year. And if no one catches you drinking the tonic, you could be CEO of a few other companies too. But if you do get caught, well, you can keep the money, but we'll have to suspend you for the summer.....but you can come back and try it again if you want. If you don't drink it, you'll be an entry level sales guy for the next 10 years, and then we'll fire you and you'll have zero marketable skills. Take your choice". I mean, isn't it kind of a no brainer?

Ummm.... what about having integrity, morals and playing the game on the up and up? You want to be CEO of a company? Bust your butt at work and prove that you deserve it.

Its a no brainer for the mouth breathing, lazy, greedy people. For the rest of us, we still feel that it means a lot more to do what's right, and earn what you truly deserve.

[GTiTOM]

Quote, originally posted by blackbora77 »

Ummm.... what about having integrity, morals and playing the game on the up and up? You want to be CEO of a company? Bust your butt at work and prove that you deserve it. Its a no brainer for the mouth breathing, lazy, greedy people. For the rest of us, we still feel that it means a lot more to do what's right, and earn what you truly deserve.

lol, right. integrity and morals in a game where 90% of the league was on some sort of juice?

i'm not talking a raise here. i'm talking the difference between making $25K a year until you're 30 and then having no job skills and no education and, in a lot of cases, returning to a life of poverty vs. making millions of dollars of a year and setting your entire extended family for life (and years to come) --- that's the decision i'm talking about if you're a minor leaguer trying to break into the bigs. You work hard for 30 years at your job and work your way up --- in baseball, it's all or nothing, a very small window, and much more akin to winning the lottery if you make it.

i was trying to make up an analogy to show why someone would be tempted. sorry it ruffled your moral feathers, but give me a break. we're talking athletes taking quasi-legal "supplements" in order to get in edge that will change their lives forever. I think it's pretty easy to see why it was so rampant.

my guess is that the guys who weren't juicing weren't doing it out of some sort of respect of the history of the game. it was probably the people who didn't want to put potentially dangerous substances in their body ---- ultimately, a personal decision, and not one of huge moral integrity. It's like when people talk about not smoking weed --- i know plenty of people who have never smoked, but not one of them said it was because it was "illegal" or "not morally right to break the law". They didn't want to put stuff in their body.


Modified by GTiTOM at 1:56 PM 8-4-2009

[Methalius]

Quote, originally posted by blackbora77 »

Ummm.... what about having integrity, morals and playing the game on the up and up? You want to be CEO of a company? Bust your butt at work and prove that you deserve it. Its a no brainer for the mouth breathing, lazy, greedy people. For the rest of us, we still feel that it means a lot more to do what's right, and earn what you truly deserve.

I think that is easy to say and harder to follow through on. I have to say that if it were up to me, I'd wager I'd have taken whatever I could to help me to where I could be as good as possible.

It wasn't outlawed by the organization and it would help me increase my earning potential from maybe making 300K for my career to almost guaranteeing that I'll make at least 10 Million and in some cases 150 Million. I'd like to think I'm an honorable person but I know for a fact I'm not turning that opportunity down. Call it greed all you want and it's easy to do when you're sitting on an ivory tower but if you were in that situation you would be all about integrity? Knowing that other people who may not be as naturally skilled as you are are taking stuff and making 100 times what you are?

You're a better man than I am if you can honestly say that.

[blackbora77]

Quote, originally posted by Methalius »

Knowing that other people who may not be as naturally skilled as you are are taking stuff and making 100 times what you are?

Then you have some effing balls and call them out for being cheaters. The guys that did it the right way are just as guiltyfor not blowing the whistle on those that were defaming the game. They aren't above culpability IMO. Bottom line, it is not OK, under any circumstances - I don't care how you spin it.

Quote, originally posted by Methalius »

You're a better man than I am

Well, yeah...

Modified by blackbora77 at 12:01 PM 8-4-2009

[napkinn]

Quote, originally posted by GTiTOM »

Or, if you're a minor leaguer who would never make the bigs on your own, but know that just getting there and playing for a couple years will set your family up for life ($3 or $4 million is most people will make in their careers), you wouldn't do it? If your boss took you into a room one day and said, "hey, drink this tonic.....it will make you so smart that you'll be CEO by the end of the year and you'll be making at least a million dollars a year. And if no one catches you drinking the tonic, you could be CEO of a few other companies too. But if you do get caught, well, you can keep the money, but we'll have to suspend you for the summer.....but you can come back and try it again if you want. If you don't drink it, you'll be an entry level sales guy for the next 10 years, and then we'll fire you and you'll have zero marketable skills. Take your choice". I mean, isn't it kind of a no brainer?

By this analogy, I think you could say that College is a PED.

[GTiTOM]

Quote, originally posted by blackbora77 »

Then you have some effing balls and call them out for being cheaters. The guys that did it the right way are just as guiltyfor not blowing the whistle on those that were defaming the game. They aren't above culpability IMO. Bottom line, it is not OK, under any circumstances - I don't care how you spin it.

But what about when they found andro in mcgwire's locker? And he admitted to using it? And everyone was fine with it because it wasn't a "steroid". EVERYONE knew --- it was literally public knowledge --- but NO ONE did anything.

Everything about this whole PED thing isn't so black and white. 20 years ago, Mike Lowell would have retired by now. Instead, he gets regular Synvisc injects to rebuild his knee. How is that different from HGH that Pettite took to aid in his rehab? You got guys blowing out elbows and having cadaver pieces put in, rehabbing for a year, and coming back to win Cy Youngs. 30 years ago, their careers were over.

Why is one medically approved "edge" ok but others aren't?

And don't get me started on the history of the game being ruined by inflated numbers --- I don't understand why baseball reveres it's bygone heroes so much. Just like Frank Gifford would be annihilated by any college linebacker today and Shaq would have averaged 80 a game with George Mikan guarding him, it's safe to say that Babe Ruth would not have had a much harder time with modern pitchers. The games different, and everything needs to be looked at in the context of its era.

[GTiTOM]

Quote, originally posted by napkinn »

By this analogy, I think you could say that College is a PED.

No, college is like a really expensive supplement that you get at GNC that some people rave about and that just causes zits and bloating in others