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    Thread: Technical Question: W12 Engine Dimensions

    1. Member Mr Johann Vegas's Avatar
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      04-27-2005 04:00 PM #1
      Simply put, does anyone have the external size of the W12 engine? I have tried to guess, and even attempted to convince a dealership to let me measure the engine with a tape measure , but now I've resigned to go to the source? David, can you help?
      Yeah, yeah, we get it. No, really, we do. We're all really impressed.

    2. 04-27-2005 04:26 PM #2
      This begs the question...what are you planning on putting a W12 in?

    3. 04-27-2005 04:35 PM #3
      A Kia I hope.

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      04-27-2005 09:32 PM #4
      Here's a view you won't see looking down from the top.


      Phaeton’s W12 engine has a reliable, highly compact design: 21 inches long, 28 inches high and 27 inches wide. The W12 features a torsion-proof aluminum crankcase with durable cylinder walls, and its consistent lightweight construction is enhanced by a magnesium valve cover and a double-flow magnesium intake manifold. The W12 engine layout utilizes a wet sump lubrication system and consists of two very small 15-degree V6 modules laid out at a 72-degree angle, plus a shared seven-bearing crankshaft, all fitting neatly in a double-V arrangement – thus its W namesake. This concept results in an ultra-compact design, compared to a normal V12 engine.

      The stacked cylinder arrangement, combined with the cylinder/bank angle, also results in the W12’s unusually highly rigid crankcase, where split pins are displaced by 12 degrees to one another due to the bank angle, allowing uniform ignition intervals.

      The W12 engine has a proven track record of performance and stability at the race track in Nardo, Italy, where it helped set numerous international speed records powering Volkswagen’s specially built W12 sports car.




      Modified by Paldi at 7:57 PM 4-30-2005


    5. 04-27-2005 09:37 PM #5
      I don't know which David you are referring to but I can tell you this: This David has not a clue as it is impossible to even see my engine with all the covering over it. I wish I could help but it is hard to measure something like an engine with such an uneven shape. You really would have to ask VW personnel to get exact measurements. Michael may could get these stats as he goes back to Dresden sometime soon.

      Sorry I couldn't help but if I could I would


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      04-28-2005 07:10 AM #6
      Hello Alton:

      Welcome to the Phaeton forum.

      The W12 engine (BAN, BAP specification) is 513 mm long, 710 mm wide, 715 mm high, and weighs 245 kilograms dry. It will not fit into any VW brand product other than a Phaeton or Touareg.

      Michael


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      02-08-2006 09:42 PM #7
      Sort of....



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      02-08-2006 11:51 PM #8
      No, that photo above is a Photoshop, and a poor one at that.

      There is no possible way you could physically fit a W12 into a Golf or Jetta platform. The engine is simply too wide. On my Phaeton, there is less than an inch of clearance between the shock absorbers and fender will and the side of the block on either side of the engine. Have a look at the photo of the W12 in the Audi A8 below, and the W12 in my Phaeton below, and use your own common sense.

      Keep in mind also that the driveline connections are made from the transmission to the front axle, not from the engine. If you put a W12 in a Golf or Jetta, the front wheels would have to be relocated to where the front doors are on that body.

      Michael

      W12 in Phaeton
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      W12 in Audi

      W12 on shipping pallet (note width of the block, under the air intakes!)


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      02-08-2006 11:56 PM #9
      Word.........!!!!!

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      02-09-2006 12:41 AM #10
      I am amazed that my thread was dragged back from the dead after all this time. Hahaha.
      Yeah, yeah, we get it. No, really, we do. We're all really impressed.

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      02-09-2006 12:43 AM #11
      I was searching for some crap and found it

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      02-09-2006 12:56 AM #12
      You're both welcome for all the work that the various Phaeton forum members have done to try and answer your question as best as possible. Now, please click here to resume your normal programming.

      Michael


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