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[lori_ceetee]

Quote, originally posted by noR »

curb smashage

don't you mean...crub...smashage?

[lori_ceetee]

Quote, originally posted by noR »

Awww c'mon we ALL gotta have a lil' wild side sometime.

true dat. but i'll save my confessions for another time, tho

[PyroPopTrt]

I forgot to tell you guys what else I did last night.

While I was over at Mississippi College I noticed that they a bunch of cones blocking some parking spots in front of Nelson. So what did I do? Well, I kinda took the cones and put them in a nice row in the middle of the street in front of Nelson. I then went around the loop real quick and proceeded to do a slalom through the cones I set up. Score. Sadly, if it was a real autocross slalom I would have DNF because I placed one of the cones too close to another one and thus had to skip it.

Who ever knew that preachers kids could be so deviant.


Modified by PyroPopTrt at 7:03 PM 11-9-2005

[noR]

At least you didn't lift the cones so that we could do that in a parking lot on our free time....

[PyroPopTrt]

Quote, originally posted by noR »

At least you didn't lift the cones so that we could do that in a parking lot on our free time....

quit giving me ideas Ron!

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by PyroPopTrt »

I forgot to tell you guys what else I did last night. While I was over at Mississippi College I noticed that they a bunch of cones blocking some parking spots in front of Nelson. So what did I do? Well, I kinda took the cones and put them in a nice row in the middle of the street in front of Nelson. I then went around the loop real quick and proceeded to do a slalom through the cones I set up. Score. Sadly, if it was a real autocross slalom I would have DNF because I placed one of the cones too close to another one and thus had to skip it. Who ever knew that preachers kids could be so deviant. Modified by PyroPopTrt at 7:03 PM 11-9-2005

You're a preacher's kid? Hmm...

I have a friend from highschool that goes to MC. Her father is a preacher. She was an RA one year, but her and a couple friends made some prank calls and she got fired.

[lori_ceetee]

Quote, originally posted by noR »

At least you didn't lift the cones so that we could do that in a parking lot on our free time....

this is what i was hoping you did!
now, whenever i see some cones i'm going to take one, maybe two and maybe we can get a collection going

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by lori_ceetee »

this is what i was hoping you did! now, whenever i see some cones i'm going to take one, maybe two and maybe we can get a collection going

They aren't that expensive at Lowe's. Maybe we could all chip in and order some.

I could also order them from my MSC book. That may be cheaper.

[lori_ceetee]

:: Posting covertly from work, bishes!::

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by lori_ceetee »

:: Posting covertly from work, bishes!::

So whaddaboutit? The cones are $6.75 each for 18" and 12.83 each for 28".

[noR]

Hell yeah I'd be up for it.... well ... later. Maybe after New Years.

Unless we have a big push to get somethin' going on in December anyway.

Lori, Reno ... I'm not sure about the tires. I'm looking for a # by which to KNOW. Honestly, they're pretty friggin' used with the wear strip appearing even across the rear tires, and the fronts aren't in very good condition either.

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4) Tires must be in good condition, with no cord or belts showing or cracks in the tread or sidewall. Each tire must have measurable (i.e. exhibiting positive measurement values) tread depth at no less than two points on the tire which are 180 degrees apart around the circumference, and which are within the center onehalf of the tread surface that normally contacts the ground. Tires may not have cord visible at any time during competition. Tires may not be re-grooved, nor may grooves be added to the tread pattern where none existed on the original tire.

Yay, no cord or belts showing, no cracks in the tread or sidewall.
So I *THINK* you'll get the go ahead. (I know you have enough to run the event and go home; not sure how soon you were lookin' to buy tires though) The big question is if it'll pass Tech Inspection. And I THINK you will. "Each tire must have measurable (i.e. exhibiting positive measurement values) tread depth". You have that. *i think*.

Eric uses some tool at work that measures, and ... well basically the wear indicator is at a tread depth of "-3" on his tool. "-2" is the federally allowed limit.? But this region is typically laid back, and I believe the interpretation is "it has to have some tread" for a street tire. That caused the Mustang to sit out at some event a while back, because he had cords showing.

So I'm like 80% sure you'll pass tech. And you'll probably want to start looking at tire options. Hmm, I didn't look to see if they were 16 or 17's, but I've got some WELL USED 16's at home if things get scary flat. But they're only a couple hundred miles from scary flat themselves.

So... yes, I think they'll let you run. And yeah, you'll probably need new tires in less than a month... but I think you already knew that. You MIGHT be able to stretch it, but I would suggest getting the tires and having them at the ready.


Modified by noR at 6:20 AM 11-10-2005

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by noR »

Hell yeah I'd be up for it.... well ... later. Maybe after New Years. Unless we have a big push to get somethin' going on in December anyway.

You guys have any large lots we could use?

I'd be down for doing it on hard dirt as well- rallycross stylz, y0h.

[Dan Halen]

BTW, tried launch control on my car this morning. It doesn't seem to have it.

I may have to start driving with the left-brake, right-accelerator method, though. I think I could get used to it.

[noR]

ACK!! HEEL-TOE man, Heel-toe. If the pedals are uneven... well things can be done to correct that.

I think my grandma used a foot on each pedal in her automatic. Don't be my grandma!

(launch control? Jesus, I REALLY ought to read on what the mkv's are coming with)

Hmm a usable parking lot huh? Well I know of a couple places.. someone would probably show up eventually to run us off though. I dunno any business owners that would give us permission to use their parking lot though. I don't think I'd wanna be dirtin' it though. Hehe, Maybe I could set him up for rally, but I'm not currently.

[lori_ceetee]

this morning with reno doing some "mild, spirited driving" the back end came out from under him like a rear-wheel drive car don't think the tires are up for the autox me so sad. me been looking forward to race for long time. me need racing dub.

[lori_ceetee]

Quote, originally posted by BRM10984 »

I'd be down for doing it on hard dirt as well- rallycross stylz, y0h.

count me out on dirt but on pavement, oh yeah!

and if we found a lot, and we practiced doing a quick set up/take down, we could learn to move fast before the cops got there to run us off

[noR]

Hahaha, I can just imagine us each w/4 or 5 cones stopping at strategic points in the lot dropping the cones, laying them out in a specific pattern and taking off again. Like the Set-up pit-crew.

If we knew a business owner we could probably have it made.... But if we kept it in very not common locations it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

:/

K, this is starting to sound a little 2Fast2Furious.

[noR]

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don't think the tires are up for the autox

AWW MAN!

Maybe it was wet? It's still got tread. And they say the less tread, the faster the turn-in (reduced tread flex and slip angles).

I think it'd be fun, but yeah, it's your decisions.

Man... wtf. Am I the only Dub that gonna run?

Heh. I dunno if I should be sad or elated? On the one side, it'll be kinda lonely not havin' any other vw's to play with on course, to know "wow, wasn't turn 3 insane?!" ... on the other side... who's gonna have the biggest cheering section there eh?!

So the rear, did it "step out" , or did it "slide around" ? Which one just sounds more appropriate for it? Cause if it stepped out, ... that's . Sure, traction loss kinda sucks... but it's HARD to drift a FWD. So that'd be .

If it's wet I'd have to say your results wouldn't be as fun as you'd want.

[Dan Halen]

IMO, Reno's tires were shot after the last event. Those Michelins aren't worth a damn.

This car isn't all that convenient for heel-toe as the pedals don't sit evenly.

[PyroPopTrt]

Quote, originally posted by noR »

AWW MAN! Maybe it was wet? It's still got tread. And they say the less tread, the faster the turn-in (reduced tread flex and slip angles). I think it'd be fun, but yeah, it's your decisions. Man... wtf. Am I the only Dub that gonna run? Heh. I dunno if I should be sad or elated? On the one side, it'll be kinda lonely not havin' any other vw's to play with on course, to know "wow, wasn't turn 3 insane?!" ... on the other side... who's gonna have the biggest cheering section there eh?! So the rear, did it "step out" , or did it "slide around" ? Which one just sounds more appropriate for it? Cause if it stepped out, ... that's . Sure, traction loss kinda sucks... but it's HARD to drift a FWD. So that'd be .

Yeah I definitely drifted my GTI around that corner. But it was wet and I should have known better.

Could you please explain/define "step out"?

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If it's wet I'd have to say your results wouldn't be as fun as you'd want.

I guess it was kinda fun but I definitely wasn't expecting it. I did the nice wild, spirited driving at the corner right by the apt. After sliding like a mofo I drove like a grandpa the rest of the way to work.

Modified by PyroPopTrt at 2:39 PM 11-10-2005


Modified by PyroPopTrt at 2:42 PM 11-10-2005

[Dan Halen]

So are you still tracking in on the 19th?

[PyroPopTrt]

I told Lori if it passes tech then she can drive it. I don't think we will do two drivers this time to try to save what little is left of my tires.

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by PyroPopTrt »

I told Lori if it passes tech then she can drive it. I don't think we will do two drivers this time to try to save what little is left of my tires.

Ah. I'm still trying to decide if I want to do it or not.

[PyroPopTrt]

So Ron, what kind of tires would you recommend? I want something that has good traction in wet and dry first and foremost. I could care less if they are noisey (that is why I have a stereo).

Here are the tires I was looking at from EdgeRacing.com:

Hankook Ventus Sport K104
http://edgeracing.com/tire/1238/

Toyo Proxes Fz4
http://edgeracing.com/tire/503/

[PyroPopTrt]

Quote, originally posted by BRM10984 »

Ah. I'm still trying to decide if I want to do it or not.

Come on Brian just try it once.

[PyroPopTrt]

oooh these look kinda nice:
http://edgeracing.com/tire/770/

and here is all the tires recommended for my car from EdgeRacing:
http://edgeracing.com/2004/Vol...s/17/

[Dan Halen]

Me personally, I'd go with either Pirelli PZero Nero M+S or Continental ContiExtreme Contact since your car is a street car first and foremost.

The Contis are what I had on the old car. They were awesome. The Pirellis are right up there with them.

You might also check out Avon Tyres on the Tire Rack. Juan has a set and is very impressed with them.

[noR]

By "step out" I meant did they slide out like a foot and grab, or did they really just come all loose and woulda spun you out.

Brian had a good point, those tires sucked from the get-go. It's just the BS rubber we're given though.

It was wet though so that makes even more sense to me why they'd do that to ya. I think the tires would be fine for an event.

Tires:
If you're going to get some lightweight 17's , and later plan on using 1 set of tires for race, and 1 set for street... then I'd say get something streetable now, with a big # for tread wear. You'll want these to last a while so that you can save for that racing set (on top of the normal replacement set when the streets wear out).

If you're going to stick w/edgeracing, I'd say go with the Pirelli PZero Nero M+S's.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...c.jsp

Toyo's I don't even look at, they were eliminated due to their brandname because I'd heard of Proxies seperating before. So they didn't get a fair shake. Tirerack doesn't stock hankook, so I couldn't look at hard factual test #'s. Falken #'s were also hard to come by... but I wouldn't immediately rule out the Falken Azenis St115. And yeah those Hankook Ventus Sport K104 didn't look bad either, I just don't know where to find a good comparison to pick one over the other.

Treadwear was the major factor in my recommendations there. These aren't going to be SUPER grippy tires, but they do have a decent traction value, and as you can see in the Pirelli Continental comparison linke above, they still perform pretty well compared with "their competitors".

Once you get the extra wheels and an established race & street setup; THEN I would go slightly more aggressive on the tires. But they're a wear & tear item, so you really gotta pick your battles.

btw: that's really cool that edgeracing shows not only wheel weights, but tire weights as well.

Modified by noR at 11:47 AM 11-10-2005


Modified by noR at 11:51 AM 11-10-2005

[Dan Halen]

I'm with st00pid.

[noR]

Hehehe, you had that short summary done before I was halfway done typing lol.

Oh hey, I might have Ryan coming out with us! (silver '01 Sport Beetle)

Just talked to him, he seemed interested, I emailed him all the links and details, but ... oops, I didn't tell him the schedule yet. We've still got plenty of time though....

[Dan Halen]

I was going to offer that you all could stay at my (our) place on Friday night if you wanted to get the trip out of the way the night before, but if you're bringing a whole busload of people, that may not work.

[noR]

I hear ya. That's cool if we split up. I understand not doin' that if I've got an extra 4 people in tow.

2 of them aren't even vw peeps. Okay well 1. Eric sorta is, he's like my chief service tech. Honda's mean about their garage though, I think I'm gonna have to pay for an alignment so that he can do it. Oh well, can't get free service forever!

BTW: Lori, any word on that light thingy?

[20vA2jetta]

anybody from north MS? Marshall county shout here!LOL!

[Dan Halen]

Marc, the elusive Marc!

You've worked (extensively) on my mom's Touareg, I think.

I'm in Greenwood now- about an hour and and change south of you.

[noR]

Hey Marc. Pretty friggin' North to be in MS man.