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    Thread: How to: DIY rear axle bushing replacement, MKIV

    1. 07-20-2008 03:46 PM #51
      I inserted a new axle beam a few thousand miles ago with newer bushings. The new bushings seem not as heavy duty as what was on my car originally, 2002 GL TDI. The OEM bushings on my original axle compared to the newer bushings is like the control arm bushing verses the TT/R32 version. I was dissapointed when I noticed the difference but went ahead and installed them as I had no choices.
      Poly squeeks, sphericals rattle/knock and wear... Not considered for a race car but street cars are different...

    2. 07-20-2008 06:59 PM #52
      Just did it.. but i think i installed the bushing in the wrong way... Is the !lining mark" is suposse to face the ground or the sky?? I installed them facing the sky... the axle is bolted to the car at this time but the rest insn't installed. If i installed it in wrong position.. will I have a problem.. if so what it will be ??? Thanks again for this DIY..

    3. 08-08-2008 12:58 AM #53
      Alright, my situation differs slightly but along the same lines. My rear axle is bent due to an a**hole in a Ford Countour. Not sure if I'll have to replace the bushings yet if I can find a donor axle with decent bushings.
      But anyway, my question pertains to the time it took to drop the axle and put it in without accounting for the bushing install.
      I don't have a garage to do this at home so I have to do it in the body shop I work in over the weekend. Im just curious to see if this is a feasible project for the weekend. And I'd also like to know what the torque specs are when installing if someone has them available. I don't have a bentley.

    4. 08-09-2008 01:56 PM #54
      Are TDi bushings compatible with other MKIVs.
      Also saw some at germanautoparts.com.

      http://www.germanautoparts.com.../30/4

    5. 08-12-2008 06:09 AM #55
      I was having major rear tire wear, I was going through tires like oil.
      Les Schwab said I had a bent spindle or that my rear axle beam was bent. I was like yeah OK how did that happen?
      I have lifetime alignments at Firestone and my rear toe was the only thing that was way off. Toe specs for 337 or sport suspension are: rear toe specified range is -0.09 to 0.57.
      My Actual was Left: -0.43, Right: -1.44
      That is way off, Major tire wear.
      I just got done installing the Energy Suspension rear axle beam bushings part# 15.3118r.
      I did it without removing the rear beam from the car, I left the shocks hooked up, and took out the C-clips that hold the brake lines and one bolt on the passenger side that held a bracket up to the body, also unsnapped the lines from the plastic clips, I also unplugged the wheel sensor. I took out the rear bushing bolts and lowered the axle beam slowly and watched my brake lines so I didn't bend or pull on them. U might need to loosen the shock mounts a little bit, NOT all the way for some clearance.
      I used a cold chisel to get the stock bushing out, and then a hacksaw to cut the sleeve and then some hammering with a flat-head and the sleeves came right out.
      The poly bushings go in so much easier than the stock ones. Use enough silicone spray and they slide right in.
      Bolt it back up, but don't tighten the bolts all the way till u have the wheels back on the ground.
      I had to remove the shock mounts after I was all finished putting the poly's in to get the rear bolts to line up, One side went easy but the other side was a being mean
      Put your clips back in the brake lines, bolt the bracket back up, and then plug back in the wheel sensor. Use a jack under the springs to bolt the shock mounts back up.
      Put wheels back on lower the car and tighten the two bolts. ALL Done, time to relax
      Then U Need an alignment.
      I have already done the front control arms with the ECS Poly/Heavy Duty kit.
      My car is so much smoother on the freeway and it hugs corners like a brand new car. My car is 8 years old almost 9.










      Modified by MK4FAST at 11:48 AM 8-12-2008

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      09-07-2008 10:56 PM #56
      I'm about to tackle this when I get back from vacation. I'm going to try to keep the rear axle in the car since I have access to a lift, I will probably disco the brake lines though since I'm sure the fluid is from the factory and the car has 85kmi on it.

    7. 10-09-2008 09:44 AM #57
      I don't see the pictures associated with this 1st post. Are the photos available anywhere else? I hit a high curb with the rear left wheel and since then my steering wheel is about 30 degrees off center and the car pulls to the right. I have a 03 TDI wagon and I am hoping that the bushing replacement will take care of the problem. What does everyone think?

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      10-09-2008 01:24 PM #58
      DVF, it sounds to me like you bent something... If you jack up the rear, does everything look straight?
      Also, if your steering wheel is 30 degrrees off center and you only hit something with your rear wheel then the rear wheel would be at such a sharp angle you'd see it just standing next to it. You're sure you didn't hit something with your front wheel too...?
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      10-09-2008 02:37 PM #59
      Quote, originally posted by dvf2001 »
      I don't see the pictures associated with this 1st post. Are the photos available anywhere else?

      I can see them just fine...
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      I don't know about you but, I get angry and shout "IB4TL" when one comes on.

    10. 10-14-2008 01:15 PM #60
      posted for a future diy. good writeup.

    11. 10-14-2008 03:33 PM #61
      Im in the same boat right now...Just got out of the Hospitial...Had my car wheels lined up, And my rear drivers is turning in 30 deg. Like my drivers rear is taking a right hand turn....
      I can grab a PRY bar and move the bushing to get it closer to spec...Did not see if the mounts have a slot for adjusting..(what years had the slott?) .If i could that would solve the problem i think...Its only 30 deg. All the others are fine, the passenger side is in perfect tollerences...
      So question is....Did the bushings help out your huge rear toe in problem?
      Are there slots in the mount for the rear on a 99.5 jetta? Its a VR6 GLS
      I have no clunking what so ever...And my tire is getting a little scalping going on...Just the rear...
      I'm going to throw it up on the lift in a day or two, when i can move again...But i am looking for insight?
      Questions: Are the rear mounts slotted on 99.5 jetta? Can you just replace that side? Can you drill out the holes for more adjustment? Or add one from a newer car?
      Did the bushing help your problem? Was there any play in the wheel before the bushing replacement?
      I did go ahead and buy a new axle stub, thinking it may be a STUB, but i dont know how often these bend, and i was thinking more, would it not make a wheel bearing go bad if it was bent?
      I also can not see any damage at ll, looks like a normal car...Again its 30 Deg. not much, you can see it if you look when the wheel is on..
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      Modified by Markhall at 12:38 PM 10-14-2008

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      10-15-2008 04:59 PM #62
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    13. 11-12-2008 04:34 PM #63
      Humm. My new bushing defiantly dont look like the ones you guys have.
      These guys at Moron Falmouth better not have given me the wrong stuff. I'll have to go apes*@$ on them.



      Modified by fiveseven at 1:36 PM 11-12-2008
      Humm just seems like I didnt get something.. in one of the photos the bushing is on the outside of the mount.. like it has some sort of dust cover or something. I dunno. Probably just trippin


      Modified by fiveseven at 1:52 PM 11-12-2008

    14. 11-12-2008 06:09 PM #64
      Those are the "new" style bushings!
      Have a couple thousand miles on them and they feel "loose" to me and give me a "floaty" car... Have some poly's to replace them with when I get some time...

    15. 11-18-2008 08:59 PM #65
      planing on doing this soon. i know he went over the tools needed for the bushing replacement but does anyone know if you need anything special to remove the rear beam axle

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      12-04-2008 08:27 AM #66
      OK guys, I haven't checked on this thread in a while. I just fixed all the broken picture links. I figured after they put this in the DIY section they would have a way of hosting the pictures permanently, but I guess not. Not sure why my picture hosting site alters the links over time, but who really understands the ways of the interwebz.
      Anyway, pictures are fixed! Glad to see people are finding it useful.

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      12-04-2008 04:58 PM #67
      I have had bushings for about 3 months now, and this idea just came to me...

      My roomate picked up a harbor freight press a couple weeks ago, so I am thinking I will lay the press down on it's side and use it to press in the rear bushings, combined with heating the axle and freezing the bushings I think it should be cake. And a little lubrication also never hurts...

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      12-07-2008 08:22 PM #68
      Ca-va FTW. Let us know how this goes. If it's possible, then all you'd really need to disconnect are the bolts through the bushings, and you could leave the rest all assembled.

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      12-11-2008 03:57 PM #69
      speaking of CA-VA, DBUS should be changing his too some time. He's needed it for about 2 yrs now.


      Modified by brizower at 3:59 PM 12-11-2008

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      12-12-2008 12:20 PM #70
      So, I've been trying to do as much research as possible on rear poly bushings... what is the verdict on them? I just put a new rear beam in and one side is toed in and the other out, so I'm going to need to get under there and try moving things around. Should I pick up a set of poly bushings and have at it? Are there any issues w/noises or anything w/them? Any feedback would be great. I've read a couple of scarce, mixed results leaving me more confused on the topic. Great DIY [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      12-12-2008 12:23 PM #71
      Quote, originally posted by 04VDubGLI »
      So, I've been trying to do as much research as possible on rear poly bushings... what is the verdict on them?

      Don't know if you read this, but you may find this useful:
      Why (Rear) Poly Bushings Are Bad
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      12-12-2008 12:26 PM #72
      Quote, originally posted by abawp »
      Don't know if you read this, but you may find this useful:
      Why (Rear) Poly Bushings Are Bad

      Thanks for the link. I've looked over that a few times. Then in this thread in particular I noticed a couple of users who had poly bushings. The more I search, the more conflicting info...

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      12-12-2008 12:46 PM #73
      Hopefully this doesn't add to your confusion, but this is the way that I look at poly bushings. Not trying to start a debate on this, just stating my thoughts.
      Taking a look at the nature of poly itself, it is stiff, rigid, and resists movement. The basic principle of the suspension is based on movement of control arms in order to function properly (i.e. give you comfort, compliance absorbing road irregularities (grip), and predictability for "handling"). So you are putting in an object that is restricting movement into a movement critical application. This means you are reducing compliance/range of motion of the suspension (remember, poly resists movement), reducing your comfort, grip, and messing with the predictability of the suspension.
      Quote Originally Posted by Lwize View Post
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      Quote Originally Posted by NPH View Post
      I don't know about you but, I get angry and shout "IB4TL" when one comes on.

    24. 12-12-2008 04:42 PM #74
      Not to flame:
      The purpose of adding coilovers, stiffer springs, and sway bars somehow makes the handling better and still offers a compliant ride? I am not sure if anyone has installed poly axle bushings in an otherwise stock suspension car. If that's the case perhaps "they" can offer up known experiences and handling characteristics? I am also thinking 400lb springs and a 2" drop with a rear sway bar are not installed by people wanting a plush handling car... (A stock suspension car is not very predictable and is considered a marshmallow squishy feeling, not very confidence building IMHO...)
      Also, the range of motion is minimal with any type of performance springs and shock setup. Unless you have a "long travel" suspension I really don't think that the animation is correct for real world use. I do see durability as an issue but the newer style bushings are a severe let down in that department compared to the older type.
      I haev some poly bushings to go in and to replace some new style OEM bushings that I just don't like.... I haven't done it yet because it's a PITA to remove the OEM style bushings with axle in the car... but will do it sometime soon.

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      12-13-2008 01:02 AM #75
      Well, I actually am trying to inhibit side to side movement and front to back movement. Obviously some up and down movement is necessary though. I mean... What poly options are all out there? Do the squeak? Is there a noticeable difference in responsiveness? Does the car have more "regular" rear camber and toe? I mean... I sort of am following with Sc0 on this one. I put a 28mm RSB on so I could try to make the back of my car act more as one unit. I am putting TT225 spindles + LCAs + bushings on to try to get better LCA angles and a better camber curve. I have Koni coilovers that are cranked the entire way up with dampening up pretty high as to minimize body roll and generally make the car more "predictable."
      I guess what I'm saying is I'm hoping someone can maybe offer some real world info. I've read a couple of people, but they haven't come back a couple of months later to re-report or anything. Squeaking is a real issue. Also, if there is some sort of binding issue as depicted in the prior link, that could be an issue. I just haven't heard anyone say there is or isn't definitively.

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