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    Thread: Interesting MkIV adjustable front camber product

    1. Member rracerguy717's Avatar
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      05-17-2005 06:55 PM #36
      Quote, originally posted by eggroller »
      So....let's get this straight:
    2. I could buy these for camber adjustments YES
    3. I can buy camber plates and use them strictly for caster YES, but use this camber also for more grip when u go to the track
    4. I have the Audi TT LCA (good for some Neg. camber)
    5. Purchase some Audi TT spindles (with new ball joints) (feel free to substitute H2sport spindles) H2 sports

      Then have lots of adjustments available for some racing. Right?

    6. Now add 600 lb front spring and lower the car Bob.G
      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
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      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
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    7. 05-17-2005 06:56 PM #37
      put on some lightweight 15 X 8/9 rims with R compounds and youre good to go.


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      05-17-2005 07:05 PM #38
      Quote, originally posted by rracerguy717 »
      Now add 600 lb front spring and lower the car Bob.G
      I have the Eibach Pro System already. They have some pretty low spring rates. However, I love having a comfortable ride with quite a bit of handling since this is my daily. (some can handle a stiffer ride...I can't seem to deal with it) Now to save up for the cost of the H2Sports & camber plates (x2).

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      05-17-2005 07:46 PM #39
      Will this product kick me out of STX, into $M?

    10. 05-17-2005 08:02 PM #40
      you would have to clarify that with your event organizers

      for me it would be 2 points

      1 point for modification to the steering/drive assembly and 1 point for non-oem alignemtn.


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      05-17-2005 08:05 PM #41
      For autox events that follow SCCA rules, could potentially stay in STX if this was your only form of camber adjustment.

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      05-17-2005 09:49 PM #42
      Quote, originally posted by redwe-in-wi »
      Will this product kick me out of STX, into $M?

      You can't run this AND the camber plates. One or the other in ST.


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      05-17-2005 09:56 PM #43
      Having BTDT with longer control arms, one should be wary of fender clearance if you are running low and wheels/tires of other than stock offset and width. Rubbing can become an issue, trust me...

      Upper strut mounts move the top of the tire inboard when adjusting for more negative camber, longer control arms move the top of the tire outboard with the longer control arm. Just a heads up for those running wider wheels/tires, modified offset or generally low.

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      05-17-2005 10:24 PM #44
      Quote, originally posted by AutoXMan »

      You can't run this AND the camber plates. One or the other in ST.

      Are the SPC strut mounts "technically" plates?


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      05-17-2005 10:42 PM #45
      Yes they are considered plates. Technically, you can't have two forms of aftermarket adjustment in ST.

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      05-17-2005 10:49 PM #46
      and is gc done with the coil over sleeves yet. i should be ready to order end of june.

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      05-17-2005 10:52 PM #47
      Still finishing up a few things on the sleeves...

    18. 05-18-2005 08:08 AM #48
      Quote, originally posted by eggroller »

    19. I have the Audi TT LCA (good for some Neg. camber)


      Then have lots of adjustments available for some racing. Right?

    20. these won't fit the tt LCA's


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      05-18-2005 08:22 AM #49
      Quote, originally posted by redwe-in-wi »
      Are the SPC strut mounts "technically" plates?

      Quote, originally posted by reflexgti »
      Yes they are considered plates. Technically, you can't have two forms of aftermarket adjustment in ST.

      And I may not be in ST much longer...


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      05-20-2005 01:02 AM #50
      so a yea looks pretty cool. hum.

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      05-22-2005 08:22 PM #51
      Let's keep this on the front page.

      Quote, originally posted by RabbitsKin »

      I'll post up pics when the parts arrive!

      Fingers crossed for pics to come soon.......

      Autocrossed again today and ..............I really could use more camber. SPC plates and the ball joints yanked out are yielding only -2.0. Another -1.25 would be welcomed.


    24. 05-22-2005 08:25 PM #52
      Quote, originally posted by redwe-in-wi »
      Let's keep this on the front page.

      Fingers crossed for pics to come soon.......

      Autocrossed again today and ..............I really could use more camber. SPC plates and the ball joints yanked out are yielding only -2.0. Another -1.25 would be welcomed.

      Haha, the extra camber really does make a HUGE diff, I'm on the GC setup and I haven't yanked the spindles yet, but I know there is some room to move em and I've still managed just over 2 degrees per side, and wow, the results were astounding at today's autox. I'll have an autox review of em up soon.


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      05-22-2005 09:45 PM #53
      Quote, originally posted by rex_racer »

      Haha, the extra camber really does make a HUGE diff, I'm on the GC setup and I haven't yanked the spindles yet, but I know there is some room to move em and I've still managed just over 2 degrees per side, and wow, the results were astounding at today's autox. I'll have an autox review of em up soon.

      Are you implying you have the lca extenders? Or, just wishful thinking be me?


    26. 05-22-2005 09:48 PM #54
      Haha, sorry, wishful thinking on your part, my just over 2 degrees of camber is just from the GC camber plates up top alone. I'll be going a different route to get more camber outta the car .

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      05-25-2005 06:10 PM #55
      Anybody recieve a set yet?

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      05-26-2005 11:01 AM #56
      UPS man just delivered mine a few minutes ago. Initial impression: beefy! Pics later.


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      05-26-2005 11:37 AM #57
      Quote, originally posted by RabbitsKin »
      Initial impression: beefy! Pics later.

      Ya, that was my initial impressions as well when I held one in
      my hand at their booth at the show. If the construction had felt half
      assed I never would have mentioned them here.

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      05-26-2005 06:02 PM #58
      Quote, originally posted by RabbitsKin »
      UPS man just delivered mine a few minutes ago. Initial impression: beefy! Pics later.

      Install and first impressions by the end of the long weekend?


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      05-26-2005 08:39 PM #59
      Quote, originally posted by RabbitsKin »
      UPS man just delivered mine a few minutes ago. Initial impression: beefy! Pics later.

      I missed my delivery i was at limerock for the day , sure could have used them ,but they will be here tommorow , install next week Bob.G
      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
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      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
      -J. Hines

    32. 05-26-2005 10:36 PM #60
      let us know how they work out for you Bob.. be sure and post your final camber numbers... you get those spindles yet??

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      05-27-2005 12:39 AM #61
      Update: LCA extenders installed, pretty straightforward. Surprised how little they actually move the ball joint out, maybe a 1/2" at the most. Considering how long the slot is, seems like there would be more adjustment. One thing not obvious until the install -- because of the thickness of the plates, it actually moves the LCA down another 1/2". Gonna be interesting to see what this does to the camber curves.

      I snapped some pics, try to post them sometime soon.


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      05-27-2005 12:57 AM #62
      Center of the slot is OEM position, so you only get half the slot to push
      out to negative camber.

      And yes, we talked earlier about the fact that it pushes the end of the LCA
      down a little. That has zero effect on the camber curve because the ball joint itself is in exactly the same place.

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      05-27-2005 03:28 PM #63
      Quote, originally posted by Daemon42 »
      That has zero effect on the camber curve because the ball joint itself is in exactly the same place.

      ian

      . . . Ah yes, no matter how many times I remember that, I still seem to forget it. Here is what one of the LCA extenders looks like up close:

      The part on the left is forged steel, very beefy. It attaches to the top of the LCA like this:

      The ball joint attaches to the sliding bracket like this:

      The holes in the bracket are for Golf/Jetta ball joints, not TT ball joints as shown. I already had these, and they were new, so I used 'em. Here is what the whole deal looks like attached to the LCA:

      Problem with using the TT ball joints is they are thicker on the bottom. The only position the bracket can be in with these ball joints is all the way out. Honestly though, these are supposed to yield up to 1 1/4 degrees, so I want them all the way out. If you were using them in conjunction with camber plates up top, I would recommend the golf/jetta ball joints so you get the full range of motion.

      My thoughts on this product:

      1) No worries about strength, this sucker is beefy

      2) Even though it is adjustible, half of the adjustment range is in the +camber direction. The remaining adjustment is about 1/2", seems like with a little more effort it could have been given a wider range of useful adjustment.

      3) Good solution for $129, overall I'm pleased.

      4) I wish it didn't weigh 3 lbs., but I don't see any way around it.

      5) Nice to have one more choice in the quest for camber.


      Car won't be on the road for a few more weeks yet, so someone else will have to give you their driving impression.


      Modified by RabbitsKin at 3:33 PM 5-27-2005


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      05-27-2005 03:52 PM #64
      do they offer a version for TT/R32 control arms?
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      05-27-2005 04:21 PM #65
      Quote, originally posted by TXBDan »
      do they offer a version for TT/R32 control arms?

      I don't think so, but you could probably machine the solid forged
      part down a little. Make the cutout a little deeper.

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      05-27-2005 05:44 PM #66
      Quote, originally posted by Daemon42 »

      I don't think so, but you could probably machine the solid forged
      part down a little. Make the cutout a little deeper.

      ian

      Judging from the pics; it would appear that another 1/4" could be machined out. I think I'll be modding them when I make my purchase. Nothin' the sawzall can't do.......


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      05-27-2005 06:35 PM #67
      Quote, originally posted by cravnpup »
      let us know how they work out for you Bob.. be sure and post your final camber numbers... QUOTE] They just showed up , but i wont have time for install untill end of next week , ill get a before and after install change and see how the toe and castor are effected too [QUOTE=cravnpup] you get those spindles yet??
      Funny thing you ask Got a call from H2sport and a set are on there way Bob.G


      Modified by rracerguy717 at 6:37 PM 5-27-2005


      Modified by rracerguy717 at 6:38 PM 5-27-2005

      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
      Quote Originally Posted by jhines_06gli View Post
      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
      -J. Hines

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      05-28-2005 09:17 AM #68
      I have a toe question. I will obviously have an alingment after installing these. For daily driving, I would set the extenders at minimum -camber. Therefore, I would have the alingment at that setting. At autocross they would set for the max. -camber; which should result around -3.0 for me. (maybe more if I slot them further) As you all know, this would result in toe out. Good for cornering performance - bad for tirewear.

      Now, afterwards when I return to min. -camber; will the toe return to the alingment specs? Theory says yes, but will I accurately be able to set the extenders back to the exact original position. Sorry for rambling.......


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      05-28-2005 09:34 AM #69
      I would think you could put a scratch mark next to one of the bolt heads and get it back exactly where it started. But how are you going to race with all that toe-out? Since the LCA extenders are a lot closer to the tie rods than the camber plates, it might make more sense to adjust the camber plates at the track and leave the LCA extenders alone. In other words, it seems like moving the top of the strut would affect toe less than moving the bottom of othe strut.

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      05-28-2005 10:18 AM #70
      It would be nice to set the LCA extenders out and just play with the upper plates between track and autocross.

      The # of turns per degree of toe should be exactly the same for everyone. If you knew this, all you'd need to know is the toe change from full negeative to full positive camber and you would be all set. Get an alignment once a year as a baseline and you're good to go. Anyone know this turns per degree? Ian?


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