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    Thread: Interesting MkIV adjustable front camber product

    1. 05-17-2005 12:13 PM #26
      Quote, originally posted by 7thGear »
      this is so safe

      It looks to me like there are a lot of areas for installer error that could end in a serious loss of control in racing conditions.
      I will be going with the H2sport solution.

    2. 05-17-2005 12:19 PM #27
      i meant safe as in cool... come on old man get with the lingo

    3. 05-17-2005 12:26 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by phatvw »
      So does that mean that these offer some of the benefits of a "drop" spindle?
      If I am understanding this all correctly then:
      - traditional top-mount camber plates just alter static camber (camber curve shape remains the same)
      - Ingalls' product (shall we call it an LCA extender) alters static camber as well as the shape of the curve
      - a true drop spindle (like Audi TT or H2Sport) alters static camber, shape of curve, and fundamental suspension geometry .....

      Here is what the TT vs A4 spindle look like (from our McPherson Thread):

      The TT spindle gives a max camber of about -1.0 degree at certain point, which is great, as the max camber comes when there is good amount of compression (you are in a curve). In the same situation, with the OE A4 spindle you are already going towards positive and anyway your camber is worse than where you started from when you were on straight line before the curve.
      The LCA extender gives you similar to the TT shape of the curve (flatter, longer crest), but it starts way "better" ( a lot more negative by default, when standing still) and then keeps the curve more or less parallel to the TT curve. So, those two mods are different. The LCA extenders act like you said, add static camber and alter the curve some. The real difference will be that the TT spindles may be better when it comes down to where the roll center is. At the same time, the LCA extenders are providing wider track, which will help with weight transfer and max cornering speed. Ideally you want to have the TT spindles and the LCA extenders.

    4. 05-17-2005 12:26 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by Stewz-GTI »
      It looks to me like there are a lot of areas for installer error that could end in a serious loss of control in racing conditions.
      I will be going with the H2sport solution.
      Thats why you need to install everything your self when it comes to something this important . Thick adaptor plate is billet , the adjuster plate is stamped ( just like the factory A-arms ). Just ordered a set , ill see what they look like when i get them . For 129 shipped for the pair with hardware you cant go wrong Bob.G

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      05-17-2005 04:27 PM #30
      What a clever design.... maybe I can replace dreaming of a TT spindle set-up with this!
      Quote, originally posted by RabbitsKin »
      -They can only be sold through distributors. I got the number for Lightening Motorsports, who they recommended, 800-478-0952. I just ordered a set, they were $129 for the pair, no tax, free shipping.
      -Up to 1 1/4 degrees of camber
      -tested on an autocross MKIV with no driveshaft issues
      I'll post up pics when the parts arrive!

      Price sounds very reasonable... looking forward to reading/seeing some more info when you get them. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] I am wondering how straightforward or difficult these will be to install.
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    6. 05-17-2005 04:33 PM #31
      i cant wait to see this product....whats been keeping me away from camber plates is the price, as well as the adjustment range, i figgured if i was going to get plates i might as well just cut the strut cup and go all out. Again cost kept me from doing so, so i just chilled. If these things work out good, i will definitly buy them. like was said above, about the same negative camber as all the other plates and such that require no cutting, while having a better camber curve, and easy as anything to install, and cheap. Hopefully the parts are quality and will hold up to racing. If so this is a dam good product IMO.

    7. 05-17-2005 04:52 PM #32
      lets just hope durability is as top notch as they say it is, as my car will definetly hit the track.

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      05-17-2005 04:57 PM #33
      Quote, originally posted by 7thGear »
      lets just hope durability is as top notch as they say it is, as my car will definetly hit the track.

      If it isn't up to the abuse, then I agree... Your car will definitely hit the track.

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      05-17-2005 05:53 PM #34
      Credit card is next to the computer waiting for first glowing review.
      $129/pair what a steal!
      Skilled labor doesn't come cheap and cheap labor doesn't come skilled.

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      05-17-2005 06:42 PM #35
      So....let's get this straight:
      I could buy these for camber adjustments
      I can buy camber plates and use them strictly for caster
      I have the Audi TT LCA (good for some Neg. camber)
      Purchase some Audi TT spindles (with new ball joints) (feel free to substitute H2sport spindles)
      Then have lots of adjustments available for some racing. Right?

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      05-17-2005 06:55 PM #36
      Quote, originally posted by eggroller »
      So....let's get this straight:
      I could buy these for camber adjustments YES
      I can buy camber plates and use them strictly for caster YES, but use this camber also for more grip when u go to the track
      I have the Audi TT LCA (good for some Neg. camber)
      Purchase some Audi TT spindles (with new ball joints) (feel free to substitute H2sport spindles) H2 sports
      Then have lots of adjustments available for some racing. Right?
      Now add 600 lb front spring and lower the car Bob.G
      Read below about mine and other fsi stage 3 owners bad experience and poor results with APR and there Stage 3 Kits. http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...ge-3-dyno-runs
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      I'd say you have nothing to worry about, but then again.....you are driving a modified VW. You have EVERYTHING to worry about!!!
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    12. 05-17-2005 06:56 PM #37
      put on some lightweight 15 X 8/9 rims with R compounds and youre good to go.

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      05-17-2005 07:05 PM #38
      Quote, originally posted by rracerguy717 »
      Now add 600 lb front spring and lower the car Bob.G
      I have the Eibach Pro System already. They have some pretty low spring rates. However, I love having a comfortable ride with quite a bit of handling since this is my daily. (some can handle a stiffer ride...I can't seem to deal with it) Now to save up for the cost of the H2Sports & camber plates (x2).

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      05-17-2005 07:46 PM #39
      Will this product kick me out of STX, into $M?
      Skilled labor doesn't come cheap and cheap labor doesn't come skilled.

    15. 05-17-2005 08:02 PM #40
      you would have to clarify that with your event organizers
      for me it would be 2 points
      1 point for modification to the steering/drive assembly and 1 point for non-oem alignemtn.

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      05-17-2005 08:05 PM #41
      For autox events that follow SCCA rules, could potentially stay in STX if this was your only form of camber adjustment.

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      05-17-2005 09:49 PM #42
      Quote, originally posted by redwe-in-wi »
      Will this product kick me out of STX, into $M?

      You can't run this AND the camber plates. One or the other in ST.

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      05-17-2005 09:56 PM #43
      Having BTDT with longer control arms, one should be wary of fender clearance if you are running low and wheels/tires of other than stock offset and width. Rubbing can become an issue, trust me...
      Upper strut mounts move the top of the tire inboard when adjusting for more negative camber, longer control arms move the top of the tire outboard with the longer control arm. Just a heads up for those running wider wheels/tires, modified offset or generally low.

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      05-17-2005 10:24 PM #44
      Quote, originally posted by AutoXMan »
      You can't run this AND the camber plates. One or the other in ST.

      Are the SPC strut mounts "technically" plates?
      Skilled labor doesn't come cheap and cheap labor doesn't come skilled.

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      05-17-2005 10:42 PM #45
      Yes they are considered plates. Technically, you can't have two forms of aftermarket adjustment in ST.

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      05-17-2005 10:49 PM #46
      and is gc done with the coil over sleeves yet. i should be ready to order end of june.

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      05-17-2005 10:52 PM #47
      Still finishing up a few things on the sleeves...

    23. 05-18-2005 08:08 AM #48
      Quote, originally posted by eggroller »
      I have the Audi TT LCA (good for some Neg. camber)

      Then have lots of adjustments available for some racing. Right?

      these won't fit the tt LCA's

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      05-18-2005 08:22 AM #49
      Quote, originally posted by redwe-in-wi »
      Are the SPC strut mounts "technically" plates?

      Quote, originally posted by reflexgti »
      Yes they are considered plates. Technically, you can't have two forms of aftermarket adjustment in ST.

      And I may not be in ST much longer...

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      05-20-2005 01:02 AM #50
      so a yea looks pretty cool. hum.

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