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    Thread: Honda S2000 = VERY Dangerous Car?

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      07-15-2005 11:37 AM #26
      its nothing to be afraid of - Good car - its not the cars fault, spinning out of control can much of the time be related to driver error or inexperience.
      in other words - the car is not out to get you, it wont kill you.
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    2. 07-15-2005 01:11 PM #27
      I've owned one for a few years, and the car is perfectly fine.
      The drivers are the problem. Unlike most cars on the road,
      Honda didn't tune it for a pile of understeer to prevent
      morons from killing themselves. The result is a car that
      does what you tell it to, whether what you tell it is sane or stupid.

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      07-15-2005 01:21 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by luso »
      For a while I've heard Hondas S2000s were dangerous cars prone to losing the rear.
      Ignoring the advice of friends, decided to go to a dealer a check one out.
      Guess what? No, I didn't lose it. The salesman lost it going round a corner. Dry conditions. A bit fast around the corner, as he was trying to impress me, but nothing that a "sports" car can't handle.
      Well, the S2000 is now officially off my shortlist.
      Anyone with bad experiences with S2000s? Or was it just a bad salesman/driver?

      I think enough people already chimed in about this. But man, that has got to be the poorest assesment of a fine sports car. As many others have said, it is the driver's error that gets you in trouble with tightly balanced rwd cars like S2000 not the car.
      You should know that. I mean you live in UK! You drive rwd car well...sort of.
      BTW, the fact that you are scared off by some poor driving tells me perhaps, it is good idea that you don't own S2000. Insurance rate is already high as it is. Every time I log onto S2ki.com I see someone posting their accident stories. "OMG! I lost control!" every single time it is driver's error. Go figure.




      Modified by marzen at 10:24 AM 7-15-2005

    4. 07-15-2005 01:22 PM #29
      Quote, originally posted by vertigo »
      I've owned one for a few years, and the car is perfectly fine.
      The drivers are the problem. Unlike most cars on the road,
      Honda didn't tune it for a pile of understeer to prevent
      morons from killing themselves. The result is a car that
      does what you tell it to, whether what you tell it is sane or stupid.

      exactly, the S2000 doesnt have electronic nannys to stop the experaince. Its a very pure driving experiance that some people dont know how to handle.
      The original 2 liter car was more prone to it than the newer 2.2 liter one. Honda put a slightly smaller sway bar in the back of the 2.2l car to keep the rear a bit more planted. What was happening was that people not famlier with RWD cars were losing it when there was a bit of snap oversteer. An idiot would yank the wheel to go around a turn at 6k rpms when VTEC was engaging and suddently they did a 180 into a tree. Dangerous? no, just repect the car. A friend of mine has an S2k, he went to bonduraunt with me about 4 years ago, he drives the **** of the the car everyday, and has never had a problem. Its all driver really.

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      07-15-2005 01:40 PM #30
      i've driven a friends s2000 enough to know it's tail happy.
      the stock S02's are a good tire, but yeah they felt a bit vague especially on off camber turns.
      you need to be on the power while cornerning, like a 911.

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      07-15-2005 01:42 PM #31
      Here's an idea. How about you take it out for a test drive and tell us how you feel about it.

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      07-15-2005 01:48 PM #32
      no it is not, as in most situations it is left to the driver to actuate its potential whether good or bad.
      2 cents (and yes i have driven one

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      07-15-2005 02:03 PM #33
      I rented an S2000 and took it to a track day at Buttonwillow Raceway. I was a bit apprehensive going out on track in a car that I had never driven (besides the trip up there). I also didn't have a ton of high speed seat time in a RWD car under my belt prior to that either.
      The car ended up handling magically the entire day. The tires did get a bit greasy towards the end of a long session, but that just made driving it a bit more entertaining. I had never driven a car that did everything so perfectly and I was by no means a slow car on the track.
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      07-15-2005 02:20 PM #34
      First off its a RWD, realize you can lose your ass due to some stupid driver input. 2nd, the s2k isn't dumbed down for dumbass drivers that do stupid things in the car. You go beyond your limits, expect the car to bite you, not in a good way. If you're scared of the s2k, you might as well never go touch any other RWD car. Stick wiht a FWD/AWD car then


      Modified by green tea at 11:21 AM 7-15-2005

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      07-15-2005 02:31 PM #35
      Quote, originally posted by marzen »
      Insurance rate is already high as it is. Every time I log onto S2ki.com I see someone posting their accident stories. "OMG! I lost control!" every single time it is driver's error. Go figure.Modified by marzen at 10:24 AM 7-15-2005

      I wish they would stop crashing. I pay way too much $$ for insurance on my S2000, even though it's a second car and I'm getting a bagful of discounts.

    11. 07-15-2005 02:35 PM #36
      Quote, originally posted by Whirling_Dervish »
      Ever hear the term "more car than driver"?
      Driver error is the cause, not the car. The car is a scalpel, having exquisite percision. But if you don't know what you are doing that level of percision is misplaced.

      I think you mean "precision"
      Sorry, just couldnt help it.

    12. 07-15-2005 02:40 PM #37
      If you think the S2000 is bad, try driving a Viper. A lot more tail happy, with twice the power.

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      07-15-2005 02:45 PM #38
      Quote, originally posted by dastig »
      If you think the S2000 is bad, try driving a Viper. A lot more tail happy, with twice the power.

      So that means the viper is 2x as dangerous as the s2k

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    15. 07-15-2005 03:15 PM #40
      since you drive a 528,
      trying flooring the accelartor on a curve specially when its wet. I have spun out.
      This is the first time I am hearing the S2000 is tail happy. IMHO any car is dangerious in the hands of an incompetant driver(specially a sports car or roadster). I have spun out in my car and my previous car, doesnt mean my car is not safe, it just means I dont know how to drive a RWD car right .

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      07-15-2005 03:34 PM #41
      almost anycar could be dangerous.just depednds oh how u drive it.
      look at the cars from the 60 muscle car era.. they are RWD, and they don't even handle as good, but i don't ever see people comaplining about the safety of it..
      learn to drive your machine !

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      07-15-2005 03:35 PM #42
      Quote, originally posted by NotFast »
      I wish they would stop crashing. I pay way too much $$ for insurance on my S2000, even though it's a second car and I'm getting a bagful of discounts.

      Same here. It is rediculous how expensive it is to insure the S2000. It has gone up in premiums every year and my driving record is clean!

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      07-15-2005 03:39 PM #43
      Quote, originally posted by kyokoris »
      almost anycar could be dangerous.just depednds oh how u drive it.
      look at the cars from the 60 muscle car era.. they are RWD, and they don't even handle as good, but i don't ever see people comaplining about the safety of it..
      learn to drive your machine !


      That brings me back to my original comment and others. What limits the car is the driver. Knife analogy is great one. Master chef will creat wonders with a sharp knife where little child will hurt themselves with it or thers.
      Six degrees of separationg lies in "Skills", understanding of the car and ability to control the car in each situation, of the driver not the car.

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      07-15-2005 03:48 PM #44
      Were you taken for a test-ride in a used pre-2004 S2000 (AP1) or a 2004 or later AP2? As others have said, the earlier models were under-tired and over-suspended. The 2004+ models have had the suspension "softened" and the tires widened. While some pre-2004 S2000 owners will tell you that the later cars are soft, reality shows quite a different picture.
      The newer cars are slightly more compliant on the road, easier to manage on the edge, all while being faster than the older S2000s. Much to the chagrin of other drivers, I routinely bring out the tail of my S2000 and can easily control it at the limit...because I know what to expect (autocross helps here). Remember, these cars don't have traction control, so it is totally up to you to drive safely at the limit and in adverse conditions. If you can't handle that, don't get an S2000.
      That said, I've only unintentionally spun my car once. I came off some wet pavement (because of sprinklers in a median) and made a hard left at about 45 mph. My tires were still wet and slipped on the dry pavement like they were lubed up with Vaseline. I was lucky not to eat a curb when it happened. If you stay sane while driving an S2000, you'll never have a problem. Of course, it's hard to stay sane above 6,000 rpm.
      FYI, it's also a very safe car in terms of crash ratings, thanks to the stiff structure and high door sills:
      http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/2811.html
      I truly can't recommend this car highly enough. Realize, it's not for everybody though. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]


      Modified by Jordi at 2:58 PM 7-15-2005

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      07-15-2005 03:54 PM #45
      I agree with pretty much everyone. You can lose the rear in almost all RWD performers.
      I've owned a worked 86 Buick Regal, a worked 88 MonteCarlo, and a 240sx.
      If you don't know how to drive something RWD and how to handle a turn at speed, then yes you will lose the rear.
      Hell I can even do it in my 92 Volvo Wagon.
      For research of this watch episodes of the Dukes of Hazard.

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      07-15-2005 04:05 PM #46
      What good is traction control through a turn at a high sped though? I was always under the impression that traction control tends to cut off once you hit 30mph or so. I would rather have stability control than traction control. Isn't traction control more for braking and stop and go driving due to too much wheel spin cause your stupid ass is flooring it from a stop (especially in the rain)

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      07-15-2005 04:24 PM #47
      Quote, originally posted by green tea »
      So that means the viper is 2x as dangerous as the s2k

      No....Its 4x as dangerous cause it has 4x as much torque. For all you CL torque freaks.

    23. 07-15-2005 04:28 PM #48
      Traction control is only for controlling wheelspin. It is not the same as "electronic stability program" at all. The S2000 does not have any of this, because they wanted to make an undiluted driving experience. As a result, if the driver makes an inappropriate request, the vehicle does what's requested. If the driver makes a request that amounts to spinning sideways into the bushes ... then that's what the car does.
      Problems happen when the driver thinks they know what they are doing, but actually don't.

    24. 07-15-2005 04:30 PM #49
      Every Honda or Acura I ever owned - and there have been a few - came with what I considered to be undersized tires. The S2000 suffers from this as well.

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      07-15-2005 04:31 PM #50
      As I thought then. Cause i noticed on forums, some people tend to miuse traction contorl and stability contorl. Even going as far as saying traction contorl would have saved my car from hitting a tree when my dumb ass went 60 through a turn in the rain

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