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    Thread: USRT Group Buy: Snow Performance water/alky injection

    1. 06-04-2006 11:05 AM #101
      no prob. The fact is I put more hp and tq down with water/meth than I did with Race/93. Obviously, I wasn't able to run race gas everday since Jan. Now this setup will be much more cost effective after the initial investment.
      Good stuff! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]



      Modified by adcockman at 11:06 AM 6-4-2006

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      06-05-2006 02:58 PM #102
      bump for interest and dammit cuz I only get 90octane in Alaska
      so my performance gains would be less then that-
      Then again my ECU is only programed for 93
      *currently I run torrco fuel additive to boost my octane-


      Modified by Alaska at 12:01 PM 6-5-2006

    3. 06-06-2006 01:53 PM #103
      Would this kit be logical for someone with say...APR 93, DV, Exhaust, downpipe, and other small stuff like that?

    4. 06-06-2006 05:05 PM #104
      of course!

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      06-06-2006 09:01 PM #105
      water injection does not care what your current setup is.......... from stock to the craziest of setups you WILL make power........ period.
      in my opinion you get even more bang for you buck with water injection vs your standard chip program

    6. 06-13-2006 10:09 AM #106
      I beileve there are a few guys running the APR 100 program with pump gas and WAI without issues. Can't wait to get my WAI setup.

    7. 06-13-2006 01:11 PM #107
      I would love to get my hands on giac race gas file... Right now... I'm simply doing the timing advance on my own...

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      06-16-2006 01:11 AM #108
      sounds worth it on my 1.8t K04erd, too bad i should do the fuel pump and injectors first

    9. 06-19-2006 08:01 PM #109
      Scott,
      Could i run this WAI on my distributer VR6 S/c with 8 psi and be safe using stock fuel and stock software?

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      06-20-2006 07:00 AM #110
      Anyone here running this system with SEM? I'm wondering how aggressive people have pushed the timing envelope. If you're turbocharged, are you using it pre-boost to help spool the turbo better with aggressive timing and the additional fuel nessesary? Can this system even be used this way?

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      06-21-2006 09:05 AM #111
      Quote, originally posted by THEERY2.1 »
      Scott,
      Could i run this WAI on my distributer VR6 S/c with 8 psi and be safe using stock fuel and stock software?

      You might be able to get away with this. A 75% proportion of methanol could be used for auxiliary fueling just like a second bank of injectors. The 25% of distilled water would make the stock ignition curve more workable. I'd add the Safe Injection failsafe box and a solenoid to purge boost in case of trouble.
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      06-21-2006 09:40 AM #112
      Quote, originally posted by WMTJ »
      Anyone here running this system with SEM? I'm wondering how aggressive people have pushed the timing envelope.

      Folks with factory ECUs see their timing retard go to zero. With SEM you could go beyond that. How far you can go would depend on many variables like engine design/spec, boost level, water/alcohol proportions, type of ignition system, etc. There's no one answer to this good question.
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      If you're turbocharged, are you using it pre-boost to help spool the turbo better with aggressive timing and the additional fuel nessesary? Can this system even be used this way?

      This is a means of enhancing the octane rating of the intake air/fuel charge. The spray is delivered when combustion begins to become uncontrolled. So, just as with race fuel, it's effects are only realized when the engine needs help controlling detonation. A forced induction engine that detonates before boost has serious tuning or mechanical problems. So, this wouldn't be the cure.
      With that said, there is a way to actually *add* energy rather than just maximize safe release of existing energy. That is to mix a small amount of nitromethane into the spray solution. Does that sound crazy? I don't expect every dubber to run in that direction immediately, but it does work extremely well and folks will wise up in time.
      Fwiw, up until this season most folks were saying that WAI was ridiculous, couldn't work or was unecessary in a superior VW/Audi engine, would cause instant hydrolocking, or was only suitable for Japanese cars. IGNORANCE! Our scene is finally waking up. There's power to unleash and safety to be had!
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      07-12-2006 11:53 AM #113
      I installed a WI system on an SRT4 last night. Used a 5gph nozzle a little before the throttle body. This car previously made 402 whp on pump gas running 25 psi from a GT3076R with the ecu pulling 10 degrees of timing. After the install and running 21 psi, the ecu was allowing 29-30 degrees of advance! The car feels much faster with the WI at 21 psi than without at 25. A/f was 11.5:1. This system is just a static system with no flow control. We are going to add a controller and hit the dyno and bring the boost back up to 25 psi. Anyone not running WI is really missing out. I would never build a boosted car without it.

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      09-05-2006 11:24 AM #114
      DARN IT, Scott......i was on vacation and didnt see this. is it over? i read on your first post that is said 100% complete, sure hope that isnt true, let me know.
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      09-07-2006 02:17 AM #115
      Yes, I'll be willing to add my name to this GB; or maybe start another round.

    16. 11-29-2006 06:55 PM #116
      is this group buy still alive?

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      11-29-2006 07:11 PM #117
      It isn't, but... keep your eyes open for another. Soonish like.
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      11-30-2006 10:49 PM #118
      Let us know soon, so I can return my kids' Christmas presents...

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      12-03-2006 11:35 AM #119
      question can I put washer fluid in the bootle?

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      12-03-2006 07:30 PM #120
      I am interested

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      12-04-2006 12:38 AM #121
      I'm also interested [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      12-04-2006 03:34 PM #122
      Yes, you can use washer fluid. However, I don't recommend it because the dye can clog the holes in the nozzles over time. Also, washer fluid generally contains only about 20% methanol. You'll want closer to 50% for best cooling, octane improvement, and easier tuning. The better bet is to mix your own or buy the "Boost Juice".
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    23. 12-04-2006 04:20 PM #123
      Quote, originally posted by Scott@USRT »
      It isn't, but... keep your eyes open for another. Soonish like.

      2 weeks?
      but in all seriousness, 2 weeks would be perfect

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      12-11-2006 06:28 PM #124
      Quote, originally posted by Scott@USRT »
      Yes, you can use washer fluid. However, I don't recommend it because the dye can clog the holes in the nozzles over time.

      make sure that if you are using washer fluid, it doesnt contain any glycol.

    25. 12-22-2006 07:50 PM #125
      I have a question...
      I have been researching kits and want to buy one but i have a slight proplem possibly. I want to get a kit and use a MAP controller but do i need a controller with certain voltage capabilities?
      I have a 337 with stage 3+ APR if that makes a difference.
      Another company has 2 controllers for MAP, a 2 bar and a 3 bar and apparently neither is compatible with my MAP as far as they know.
      This poses a problem if i order any kit i am assuming because the controller wont work, correct?
      What are my options? i really dont want to run a MAF controller unless its a last resort just incase the MAF craps out.
      Thanks

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