Sport Spindles Available - H2Sport Inc.

[Tom@H2Sport.com]

H2Sport Inc. - Sport Spindles Available

H2Sport is pleased to announce the introduction of its long awaited Sport Spindle for the VW Mk4 Golf, Jetta and New Beetle.

Lowering your Mk4 gives it the stance you desire and while it should increase its handling performance the very process of lowering corrupts the front suspension geometry so that you can actually hurt handling. The Sport Spindle is designed to correct the geometry to unlock your Mk4’s true handling performance. Inspired from racing technology, cast from the same alloy used by the factory, precision CNC machined and finished with black epoxy paint result in the Sport Spindle that is designed and manufactured to perform.

But don't just take our word. There are many forums that discuss the merits of the Sport Spindle - here's (a long) one: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...age=1.

Give us a call at 905-702-8299 or visit our site, http://<A HREF="http://www.h2sport.c...2sport.com</A>for more information about the Sport Spindle. We currently have Mk3 and Mk5 Sport Spindles in development now. Check our site for updates.

[seesquared]

Quote, originally posted by Tom@H2Sport.com »

...We currently have Mk3 and Mk5 Sport Spindles in development now...

Mk V as well??? Nice. After driving the new GTI a couple of weeks ago, I was hoping that we'd get a sport spindle for the Mk V.

Keep up the good work on products that truely improve the handling of our cars!

[audi80Quattro]

develop some mk2 spindles for me.....or at least corrado g60 spindles.....i need them badly

[Nuzzi]

yes yes g60 spindles!!!!!

[eggroller]

Thanks Tom and crew! These are really a great addition to any performance suspension. I just wish they were available when I started modding my suspension. I will be on the track Oct 15th for a HPDE.

As far as the street goes...the car is so easy to drive now. The raised roll center really can be felt, daily. The car corners so flat and uneventful. Bumpsteer was reduced significantly. My ride can definately can be compared to a BMW e46 3-series at the current comfort settings on my PSS9.

[WolfGTI]

How close are the MK3 spindles to being released. I will be visiting Toronto in 2 weeks - any chance I can pick up a set ?

[traffic]

I'll vouch for the quality and handling of Ray's ride. Very smooth and predictable. Able to take mid-corner oops corrections better than my setup. (darn bad driving skills, not enough track time...gotta fix that.)

[eggroller]

It was so strange getting a ride in my own car! However, it made me appreciate the setup more!!!

Whoa...my car can do that?

[phatvw]

Hehe, I'm sure I didn't push it as much as traffic, but eggroller's car is very nice. It does not feel like a FWD car at all. It feels more like a Porsche Boxster but at half the price and 20 times the trunk space

[7thGear]

sux tho about the 2.0's

it turns out it would cost me a good 6-700 dollars for a complete brake system change just to fit them on!! thats 700 dollars worth of parts that i already have in perfect working order

[phatvw]

Its cheaper than you think to upgrade your 2.0 brakes. Remember, a lot of folks like me (hint hint) upgrade their 11.3" brakes.

Check out ECS:
11.3" Rotors: $90/pair
Calipers: $140/pair
Stainless lines: $70/pair
Carriers: really cheap when buying used


Modified by phatvw at 7:00 PM 10-10-2005

[7thGear]

90 dollars for a PAIR of rotors? are they made of cardboard??

i can calipers and carriers being cheaper if i buy used.. but still.

[phatvw]

Just regular oem rotors. If you want no-name brand, they are only $70/pair
This is USD mind you...

I know what you're saying about tossing perfectly good parts. But you gotta pay to play. You can always sell your old parts to at least make a little money back...

[7thGear]

actualy you dont have to pay to play...

in retrospect if i would have shipped some stock dampers to Pyce to refill them instead of buying koni's

my current godly setup of spacers, no front sway, and stiff shocks, would have cost less than 150 bux all together , i'm pretty sure i outhandle most stock cars now.... and ride comfort is unchanged.

[phatvw]

Still gotta pay for track time, tires, and brakes.
Or if you have a GTI, its Gas, Tires, Insurance.

[mitsui-g]

Quote, originally posted by 7thGear »

actualy you dont have to pay to play... in retrospect if i would have shipped some stock dampers to Pyce to refill them instead of buying koni's

Is Pyce refelling the stock dampers now? Last I IMed him, the impression that I got was it wasn't worth the time and frustration to redo the stockers! I have virtually brand set of 24V dampers that have been sitting in my garage for the longest time. Maybe I should send them along with my Koni's for a new lease on life!

[7thGear]

i think pyce is just busy and doesnt want to be bothered right now, ahahah

[eggroller]

Quote, originally posted by eggroller »

I will be on the track Oct 15th for a HPDE.

click for Track Report

[formerly vr6 karl]

i dont track my car...but do take an occasional twisty road........however i like having the look of a slammed car-------i ran my car with no front sway because of driveshaft clearance issues......would i be able to run the stock front sway with this kit and have no clearance issues??? in stock form i would be able to make a full u-turn on my street, but in lowered form it needs to be a 3-pt. turn......would these put me back to having be able to make a full u-turn again??? also another thing im concerned with is comfort???
please educate me

this is for a mk4 gti 1.8t

[Tom@H2Sport.com]

Quote, originally posted by formerly vr6 karl »

-----i ran my car with no front sway because of driveshaft clearance issues......would i be able to run the stock front sway with this kit and have no clearance issues??? in stock form i would be able to make a full u-turn on my street, but in lowered form it needs to be a 3-pt. turn......would these put me back to having be able to make a full u-turn again??? please educate me this is for a mk4 gti 1.8t

You should be able to re-install your front bar, but to be sure I would need to know how much the car has been lowered.

Regarding U-turns if the car is lowered such that the tires are rubbing on the fenders or inner bodywork, then the Sport Spindle won't help. You may be able to raise the car just enough to clear yet keep the lowered look.

If by 'comfort' you mean handling performance, then the Spindle will definitely be an improvement.

Tom

[rracerguy717]

Quote, originally posted by formerly vr6 karl »

i i ran my car with no front sway because of driveshaft clearance issues......would i be able to run the stock front sway with this kit and have no clearance issues??? this is for a mk4 gti 1.8t

The FSB used prior to 2002 have the smaller "loop" and cause your driveshaft clearance problem when s
'slammed " Because your so low and have the older style mkiv FSB if you do purchase the sport spindle you can modify and extend the new end links that come with the kit , would be a very easy fix.

Quote, originally posted by formerly vr6 karl »

i in stock form i would be able to make a full u-turn on my street, but in lowered form it needs to be a 3-pt. turn......would these put me back to having be able to make a full u-turn again??? this is for a mk4 gti 1.8t

its deff going to help that for sure

Quote, originally posted by formerly vr6 karl »

i also another thing im concerned with is comfort??? please educate me this is for a mk4 gti 1.8t

The comfort part im sure its coming from your car being too low and riding on the bump stops , you maybe able to trim them a bit so they dont ride on them .Hope this helps
Bob.G

[formerly vr6 karl]

like i said guys, please educate me so that i can make a more informed decision

i have an 03 gti----so i believe the fsb is with the bigger hoops----i just deleted it "just in case"......but id prefer to run with it----i can feel the difference without it

i dont know how low the koni coilovers will allow me to go-----i had weitec coilovers wound all the way down (2.75" drop) but im thinking its gonna be pretty close-----maybe 2.5" (i know, i know, this is purely for "looks", but its the way i like it---plus i dont track my car)

but if these would allow me to remain as close to stock spec is concerned...and allow me to keep the stock fsb without me buying a new set....and allow me to get the maximum amount of life from my tires, then i dont see it as a bad investment (but ive got ailignments within stock tolerances this low)

a pic to show you what im working with

[7thGear]

EDIT: never mind i just read that you dont track your car.

even so you dont need the sway bar... you aint go no shock travel anyway so another 200 lb in hard cornering is gonna seem like nothing compared to the 900lb +++ you got on right now.


Modified by 7thGear at 6:28 PM 10-19-2005

[rracerguy717]

Quote, originally posted by Tom@H2Sport.com »

H2Sport Inc. - Sport Spindles Available H2Sport is pleased to announce the introduction of its long awaited Sport Spindle for the VW Mk4 Golf, Jetta and New Beetle. Lowering your Mk4 gives it the stance you desire and while it should increase its handling performance the very process of lowering corrupts the front suspension geometry so that you can actually hurt handling. The Sport Spindle is designed to correct the geometry to unlock your Mk4’s true handling performance. Inspired from racing technology, cast from the same alloy used by the factory, precision CNC machined and finished with black epoxy paint result in the Sport Spindle that is designed and manufactured to perform. But don't just take our word. There are many forums that discuss the merits of the Sport Spindle - here's (a long) one: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...age=1. Give us a call at 905-702-8299 or visit our site, http://<A HREF="http://www.h2sport.c...2sport.com</A>for more information about the Sport Spindle. We currently have Mk3 and Mk5 Sport Spindles in development now. Check our site for updates.

its been a while let me bump this great product for all those lowered mk iv to the top . Bob.G

[performula]

I must have overlooked the information on this post and your site, but how much do these lower the front end?

[briang]

Quote, originally posted by performula »

I must have overlooked the information on this post and your site, but how much do these lower the front end?

None.

The spindle corrects the geometry on a lowered car. The spindle does not cause any lowering by itself (to try and do so would have the driveshaft in the way of the lower strut mount).

[corrado94]

Quote, originally posted by briang »

None. The spindle corrects the geometry on a lowered car. The spindle does not cause any lowering by itself (to try and do so would have the driveshaft in the way of the lower strut mount).

That's correct , its good for up too 2" drop suspension setup and keeps it near stock geometry. Bob.G

[VR6ix]

So what's the ideal drop combined with the spindles... although they may restore stock geometry at a 2" drop, is stock geometry really desireable, or would a .5", 1", 1.5", x.x" drop be best?

hint: solve for x!

[briang]

Quote, originally posted by VR6ix »

is stock geometry really desireable,

Zero drop is best.

Read and learn grasshopper :http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1363022
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=621342

[phatvw]

Quote, originally posted by VR6ix »

So what's the ideal drop combined with the spindles... although they may restore stock geometry at a 2" drop, is stock geometry really desireable, or would a .5", 1", 1.5", x.x" drop be best? hint: solve for x!

With the H2Sport spindles, you probably want at least 1" of drop so that you do not get any additional bump steer. Running them at oem ride height is not recommended.

As for which is better for handling: oem height with Audi TT spindles, or lowered with H2Sport spindles? Who knows... However both options are likely better than the oem GTI spindle at oem ride height.


Modified by phatvw at 12:36 PM 2-1-2006

[briang]

Quote, originally posted by phatvw »

With the H2Sport spindles, you probably want at least 1" of drop so that you do not get any additional bump steer. Running them at oem ride height is not recommended. As for which is better for handling: oem height with Audi TT spindles, or lowered with H2Sport spindles? Who knows... However both options are likely better than the oem GTI spindle at oem ride height. Modified by phatvw at 12:36 PM 2-1-2006

Reading this reply make me realize I misunderstood the question!

I'd agree that stock geometry restoration is fine, but the truely optimal range for the H2Sport Spindle, when seeking to keep the control arms in the parallell to better than paralle range, would be in the 1"-1.5" lowering. At 2" lower, the sub-optimal "stock" geometry is restored (arms point up at the outside).

My car is 1" lower, and with the spindles, my control arms are lower on the lateral side than the medial side (they point down at the outside end).

[performula]

How do you compensate the geometry for the rear? Or is the rear end not much of a concern?

[seesquared]

Quote, originally posted by performula »

How do you compensate the geometry for the rear? Or is the rear end not much of a concern?

There really isn't any compesation necessary. The roll center does not change as you raise or lower the rear IIRC. Most folks looking for handling lower it to the point that the bottom of the car is parallel to the ground.

[RichB]

Quote, originally posted by briang »

I'd agree that stock geometry restoration is fine, but the truely optimal range for the H2Sport Spindle, when seeking to keep the control arms in the parallell to better than paralle range, would be in the 1"-1.5" lowering. At 2" lower, the sub-optimal "stock" geometry is restored (arms point up at the outside). My car is 1" lower, and with the spindles, my control arms are lower on the lateral side than the medial side (they point down at the outside end).

So would you say your are at optimal lowering or below that? If I understand what H2Sport says correctly, optimal lowering for a stock (non sport suspenion) Golf or Jetta would be around 2" and for a sport suspension equipped car (GTI or Golf/Jetta) would be around 1.5" and then for something like your GLI or a 20AE GTI, 1" would be around optimal.

What do you think? All this talk of inches of lowering with no reference to which VW suspenion is getting me confused. Also concerned that someone may buy the Sport sindles for thier 20AEGTI or GLI, lower the thing 2" and then think he/she has optimal suspension geometry (when I do not think that would be the case).

[7thGear]

my 0.02

dont buy this product if you have no clue about your suspension
if someone cant figure out what product they have, what they want, and all that other good stuff, maybe this isnt for them...

this is definetly not a "first" mod that i would do.