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    Thread: For the FAQ: VW/Audi 502.00 and 505.01 Approved Oils [Moved]

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      11-08-2005 08:38 PM #36
      What's the difference between 5w-40 and 5w-30? I know what viscosity is, but I don't know how to read the ratings

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      11-08-2005 08:43 PM #38
      Unfortunately I have to use the 505.01 oils at like 9 bucks per litre or something outrageous like that from the dealer!
      Quote Originally Posted by ..Derek.. View Post
      Clearly you aren't familiar with the "Golden Corrado". It's so clinically clean that in the event that you must urinate it must be done at least one zip code away in fear that it may catch a staph infection.

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      11-08-2005 08:45 PM #39
      why?
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      11-11-2005 12:21 PM #40
      I have no way to get a hold of anything else except ordering off the internet then with shipping it costs the same or more. I have searched high and low in this town and even talked to the bulk oil companies and they can't get it any cheaper.
      Quote Originally Posted by ..Derek.. View Post
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      11-11-2005 12:37 PM #41
      Awesome writeup. This covers every oil I have ever heard of and then some. What would make this really useful to the ordinary dubber is if it had some kind of information that described what most drivers use in their VWs - this way I could look up my VR6 12V Jetta...and I find that 75% of the people put Mobil 0W-30 in it while 10% put in Castrol Syntec 5W-30. Then I would be smart and know to put M1 in

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    7. 02-20-2006 01:31 PM #42
      And what about our Mk1/Mk2 Friends?


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      03-09-2006 07:23 PM #43
      Quote, originally posted by FaelinGL »
      What would make this really useful to the ordinary dubber is if it had some kind of information that described what most drivers use in their VWs

      i will consider working up something like this
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      03-09-2006 07:25 PM #44
      Quote, originally posted by 1.8Freaker »
      And what about our Mk1/Mk2 Friends?

      i have very little experience with the mk1 and 2. Your best bet would be to check the engine technical forum best fitting the engine in your car to see what oils are used there

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    10. 03-09-2006 07:30 PM #45
      this was very helpful.

      thank you mod.


    11. 05-28-2006 02:56 AM #46
      Hate to bring back an old thread but I am wondering if the Mobil 1 5w-40's listed at the beginning of this thread include the "Mobil 1 5W-40 Truck & SUV" synthetic oil. I got it and put it in my car today because it was the only synthetic 5w-40 around. It did say it could be used in gasoline OR diesel engines. Later tonight I found out that Mobil 1 no longer makes this product ( http://www.mobil.com/USA-Engli...0.asp ). The Mobil website and all descriptions I have read on this oil only say that they meet American truck specs and was wondering if I should worry with this oil in my car?

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      06-24-2006 04:39 AM #47
      Quote, originally posted by marcusmv8 »
      Hate to bring back an old thread but I am wondering if the Mobil 1 5w-40's listed at the beginning of this thread include the "Mobil 1 5W-40 Truck & SUV" synthetic oil.

      i'm going to guess its not an approved oil, but i wouldnt worry having it in your car now, its actually probably a "stronger" oil anyway.
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      06-24-2006 05:39 AM #48
      Mobil 5w-40, or Delvac 1 is not an approved VW oil.

      (Don't tell the folks on TDIClub that though, lol)


      Most 505.01 approved oils are still Group III (based on dyno stocks) I run a Group IV PAO full synthetic with no problems.. (Esso Extra XD-3 0w40) The TDI loves it...

      And if people think 505.01 is expensive, you don't wanna see the price on 506 or 507


    14. 08-09-2006 04:24 AM #49
      Quote, originally posted by MXTHOR3 »
      Mobil 5w-40, or Delvac 1 is not an approved VW oil.

      From what I understand this stuff (now discontinued) is not the same as Devlac 1.


    15. 01-20-2007 02:27 PM #50
      So, ok... I have been using Mobil 1 5w30 Synthetic for like ever now in my car and haven't had any problems (5k intervals).

      What I am wondering is what makes the oil on this list so special?

      How do I know if the oil that i'm already using isn't "good"?

      Are these just designed to last the whole service (10k) listed in the VW manual?

      Why the hell does VW put a sticker saying to come back in 3k if it says in the manual not to until 10k?

      Thanks!


    16. 04-23-2007 10:01 PM #51
      Those are some good points - especially when I stop to consider that the "VW/Audi" oil filter they install says right on it that it's rated for 2 years/ 30,000 kilometers. I think they're screwing us on this whole oil thing.

      The inside "buzz" I've gotten on this issue of sludging from some VW guys is that it's oil pan capacity that they believe is creating the problem - not the oil itself. Apparently the shallow pan doesn't allow for sufficient cooling before the oil is returned to the engine. I know some guys will immediately think, "well it's because of the turbo..." - yeah okay, but it isn't the turbo coking up and dying that is the problem, it's sludge in the pan. Think about it. Seems like they could save themselves and the rest of us a lot of money if they just put a REAL oil cooler on the car (you know, like most other european car manufacturers), or cast some cooling fins into the pan. Once my warranty expires, I'm putting a Wahler oil cooler on the engine, and going back to plain old Castrol GTX. I put nearly 400k on one of my MKII's with that oil, and God knows, that engine worked one hell of a lot harder than the 1.8T in my GTI does.

      My .02 - Any company that builds a little car which they later claim requires a $40 - $50 do-it-yourself oil change should be ashamed of their product, and of themselves. And you know that they are, becasue they don't even have the decency to list these specifics in the owners manual.


    17. 08-29-2007 02:46 PM #52
      http://www.audiusa.com/etc/med...e.pdf

      Right click & Save as... it's easier.


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      09-01-2007 11:29 PM #53
      f'n awesome, about to do a oil change in a few days. thanks man.
      U mirin?

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      09-01-2007 11:50 PM #54
      nice, i forgot this was coming out this summer. ill have to update my oil spec thread one of these days.

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    20. 09-01-2007 11:53 PM #55
      No Royal Purple?

      Oh well, I use Mobil1 synthetic anyway.


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      09-01-2007 11:56 PM #56
      wait a minute, So does that mean the Elf Excellium LX that we sell at work is no longer a vw approved oil? We do use the Elf Excellium DID for all Pump Duse engines, so that is still covered.

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      09-01-2007 11:58 PM #57
      interesting.. guess not.
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    23. 09-02-2007 12:02 AM #58
      oh snap... I've been using 5w 30 since I got the car... are there any long term effects from this?

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      09-02-2007 12:05 AM #59
      all questions can be answered here.

      For the FAQ: VW/Audi 502.00 and 505.01 Approved Oils

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      09-02-2007 12:11 AM #60
      merged with the original 502/505 spec thread. thanks GT17V
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    26. 09-02-2007 12:14 AM #61
      Quote, originally posted by fixmy59bug »
      wait a minute, So does that mean the Elf Excellium LX that we sell at work is no longer a vw approved oil? We do use the Elf Excellium DID for all Pump Duse engines, so that is still covered.

      According to Elf's website, the Excellium LDX is still 502.00/505.00

      If you also noticed, VAG has a 502.00/505.01 oil now, equivalent to the DID


    27. 09-02-2007 10:21 PM #62
      isn't the oil weight used determined by elevation and average daily temps?

      IE someone in Colorado might use a thinner oil versus someone in Texas?


    28. 09-02-2007 10:32 PM #63
      The VW502.00 specification is made to cover engines subjected to "arduous conditions"--- if people in Colorado are worried.... there is Mobil 1 0w40. Better flow characteristics than a 5 weight at freezing temperatures.

      Many of the TDIclub folks are messing around with Elf Evolution 0w30
      http://www.lubadmin.com/upload...8.pdf


    29. 09-02-2007 10:41 PM #64
      okay so does using the wrong weight oil have any negative effects on the engine?

      now that I've checked I think that I've been using 5w 30 mobil 1 synthetic for at least 2 years now...


    30. 09-02-2007 10:45 PM #65
      Quote, originally posted by Kiddo »
      okay so does using the wrong weight oil have any negative effects on the engine?

      now that I've checked I think that I've been using 5w 30 mobil 1 synthetic for at least 2 years now...

      Too heavy is bad at start-up conditions. Not having the proper additive package compared to oil change intervals means you're risking engine longevity


    31. 09-02-2007 11:02 PM #66
      Quote, originally posted by GT17V »

      Too heavy is bad at start-up conditions. Not having the proper additive package compared to oil change intervals means you're risking engine longevity

      i need to change my oil...


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      11-04-2007 07:25 PM #67
      what bout royal purple?

    33. 11-04-2007 07:27 PM #68
      Quote, originally posted by crazyzdux »
      what bout royal purple?

      if its not on the list i doubt its VW/Audi approved


    34. 11-08-2007 12:39 PM #69
      I used Mobil 1 0W-40 on my 2003 Passat 1.8T since 500 Miles. I went to the Mobil 1 website & for a 2007 Passat 2.0T Fsi (my new one) they still recommend 0W-40 because it meets VW 502.00 standards...but the manual says to use 5W-40 or any oil that meets the VW 502.00 standard. Does the weight matter that much living in NJ, or should I change the oil ASAP back from 0W-40 to 5W-40? I just want what's best!!!

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      11-22-2007 06:30 PM #70
      on your next change, just put in something 502/5 approved.
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