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[jok3r]

good reads here!!

[limapolo]

been using all of liqui moly products and they are awesome! changing my oil every 10000 km...

[jok3r]

Quote, originally posted by limapolo »

been using all of liqui moly products and they are awesome! changing my oil every 10000 km...

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[limapolo]

bien gracias!

[Bazmcc]

In the UK PD TDIs use Quantum 5W-40.

Just thought I'd add that in.

[MikeWire]

At my local Napa today I was informed that the Napa Synthetic branded oil is really Valvoline Synpower (5W-30) repackaged into different bottles. It's about $4.70/quart vs. $5.99/quart for the Valvoline package.

I trust my local guys - can anyone confirm or deny this statement?

[DiasBora604]

Quote, originally posted by limapolo »

been using all of liqui moly products and they are awesome! changing my oil every 10000 km...

I use this stuff all the time, summer and winter
used to use Mobil1. switched to this and never turned back

[AZV6]

Pentosin High Performance 5W-40 - Sold in US
VW-Specification 502 00 / 505 00

Also Lubro-moly, AGIP-Agip Synthetic PC 5W-40 oil.


Modified by AZV6 at 3:40 PM 9-12-2008

[CE]

European Car Mag just came in about OILS, Amsoil sure ain't listed. There is a DIFFERENCE between APPROVED and "exceeds mfg warrantys" Approved is stuff tested by VW, and the mfg PAID for TESTS, anyone can claim anything based on their tests, VW tests get it APPROVED, so many brands are, why use something that ain't? BMW Benz Audi all the same way of oil specs. Castrol Syntec seems to be big with VW Since the stuff costs all about the same use what's on the LIST!!! One grade of Sysntec doesn't have the wording Approved by VW 502, 505 etc, then the 10W 40 has for the A6 2.7BiTurbo. Why buy stuff that ain't listed, so many brands so many choisces are on the list

[CE]

My VR6 1998 with 275,000 miles and no issues at all, uses the stuff in the 55gal drums at the dealer, looks like Penzoil 10/30. The Audi A6 got the Castrol 10W 40 Syntec. They tell me the TURBO lube is critical in VW's, cus if a tuiny oil hole gets clogged from the wrong stuff, goodbye turbo...big bucks, so far no problems there either ever for years and years, MAINTAINANCE keeps things going.

[WSUCougar]

Is that oil ester based?

[shipo]

Quote, originally posted by WSUCougar »

Is that oil ester based?

Unlikely. As far as I know, there are exactly zero ester based oils that are on the VW/Audi "Approved" list of oils.

[franz131]

Quote, originally posted by WSUCougar »

Is that oil ester based?

Group V base oil and extended drain intervals do not mix.

They won't be 100% group IV either, unless you're willing to pay 50% more. Price is a major concern for the oil manufacturers, example;

Here's a pic I took during my vacation in Germany this past summer:

Yes, that price tag really says Euro 105 for a 5L jug. I also saw oils from Mobil, Shell and Valvoline at or above Euro 100 for 5L.

If we weren't a large emerging market for these companies, we'd be spending $150+ for that oil as well.

Price is a major concern for the oil manufacturers.

[kiddcarbuff]

edited for not reading right.


Modified by kiddcarbuff at 10:35 PM 10-9-2008

[stratclub]

Recommended by (Amsoil) is NOT the same as being approved by VW or Audi.

Amsoil will void your warranty for oil related warranty claims....................

[tjl]

Quote, originally posted by MikeWire »

At my local Napa today I was informed that the Napa Synthetic branded oil is really Valvoline Synpower (5W-30) repackaged into different bottles. It's about $4.70/quart vs. $5.99/quart for the Valvoline package. I trust my local guys - can anyone confirm or deny this statement?

Valvoline Synpower 5W-30 (meeting ILSAC GF-4) as commonly sold in the US does not have any VW ratings.

Now, if you can find Valvoline Synpower MST 5W-30 or 5W-40 (not meeting ILSAC GF-4), that has VW 502.00, 505.00, and 505.01 ratings, according to Valvoline.

http://www.valvoline.com/products/Synpower.pdf

[metallica71787]

ya no royal purp or AMSOIL for shame.

[rs_hunter]

"ya no royal purp or AMSOIL for shame."

You might want to take a look at this thread... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4116404

Cheers

[metallica71787]

Approved or not here is a list of MAJOR companys in the oil market. Some good info.

A complete series of oil quality tests was conducted by Bret Boster of Puyallup, Washington on a series of popular oils including Torco, AMSoil, Castrol, Mobil and others. The tests were performed by Sam Blumenstein of COME Racing Engines, on their in-house dyno. The tests, being run by an AMSoil representative, might have been biased. Yet you can study the methods and results in the document Oil Against Oils� http://www.performanceoilnews....shtml and decide for yourself if this was a battle of “oil philosophies� - or an actual battle for blood between the oils themselves rather than the experts. The overall rating according to Boster:

1. AMSOIL
2. BP Visco 5000
3. Mobil 1
4. Mobil 1 (different price)
5. Hi-Tec HTO
6. Shell Helix Ultra
7. Royal Purple
8. Castrol R
9. Castrol SLX
10. Torco

[the_humeister]

I have a 2008 Jetta and the manual says the car needs 502.00 oil. What gives?

[bcze1]

Quote, originally posted by the_humeister »

I have a 2008 Jetta and the manual says the car needs 502.00 oil. What gives?

VW has set a number of oil quality standards for use in all their vehicles. 502.00 is the spec that applies to most of their gasoline engines. All oils that meet the standard are synthetic and most are either 0w40 or 5w40 though there are a few 0w30. Any oil you choose on this list is approved http://www.audiusa.com/etc/med...e.pdf.

There are certainly other high quality oils that are not found on the list. However, VW is well within their legal rights to deny any lubricant related warranty claim you may have if you cannot prove that your motor has been filled with an oil on the approved list.

edit: Mobil 1 0w40 & Castrol Syntec 5w40 are typically the easiest to find at your local retailer. Though most others can be ordered if you prefer.


Modified by bcze1 at 12:26 PM 12-1-2008

[pete@integrated]

FWIW, my girls 2008 GTi owners manual specifies 502.00, not 505 as listed on the front page. I'll probably just use an oil which covers both since she is worried about her warranty.


Modified by pete@integrated at 9:45 AM 2-15-2009

[BHB]

if you notice.... i made this in 2005. Use whatever oil is specified by the manufacture for your vehicle.

[tjl]

Quote, originally posted by metallica71787 »

A complete series of oil quality tests was conducted by Bret Boster of Puyallup, Washington on a series of popular oils including Torco, AMSoil, Castrol, Mobil and others. The tests were performed by Sam Blumenstein of COME Racing Engines, on their in-house dyno. The tests, being run by an AMSoil representative, might have been biased. Yet you can study the methods and results in the document Oil Against Oils� http://www.performanceoilnews....shtml and decide for yourself if this was a battle of “oil philosophies� - or an actual battle for blood between the oils themselves rather than the experts. The overall rating according to Boster:

Engine used was a 5L V8 engine, presumably not a VW or Audi engine. An oil that works well in that engine may not necessarily be the best oil for some other engine.

[pete@integrated]

Quote, originally posted by bhb399mm »

if you notice.... i made this in 2005. Use whatever oil is specified by the manufacture for your vehicle.

Just saw that.

We ended up using one that was both 502 and 505.

[BHB]

thats what i would have done too. if the oil is on both spec lists, cant really go wrong.

Brad

[napkinn]

What are the *'s for?

[BHB]

Quote, originally posted by napkinn »

What are the *'s for?

oils that should be available in the States.

[GTI71806]

I didnt see Royal Purple there.
Isnt that VW Approved?
I use Royal Purple 5w30

[bcze1]

Quote, originally posted by GTI71806 »

I didnt see Royal Purple there. Isnt that VW Approved?

Nope.

[GTI71806]

Quote, originally posted by bcze1 »

Nope.

damn, that sucks.

it works just fine..

im thinking about switching next oilchange anyways.

thanks for that input

[PSU]

Perhaps I overlooked the obvious, but a guy in the VW Lounge asked and I am curious...

How many quarts does the 2.8L VR6 take?

[jwbekens]

Perhaps I overlooked the obvious, but a guy in the VW Lounge asked and I am curious...

How many quarts does the 2.8L VR6 take?

Andrew,
Just like the 3.2 VR6, the 12V 2.8 takes 5.8 quarts. See below:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1749962

and here for 24V, still 5.8 qts.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?650410

[PSU]

Andrew,
Just like the 3.2 VR6, the 12V 2.8 takes 5.8 quarts. See below:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1749962

and here for 24V, still 5.8 qts.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?650410

Thanks!

I figure by helping someone else, I am only educating myself.

[BsickPassat]

A quicky update to the FAQ

This applies to all fixed-interval oil changes in the US/Canada

All the gasoline engines (1998 to present) require VW502.00 oil. There are exceptions. The 4.2L V8 FSI on the Audi RS4/6 require VW505.01 (even though the correct oil was 503.01). VW504.00, does supercede VW502.00, so it is also acceptable.

TDI's
All VE-pump (up to 2003) require 505.00 oil.
All Pump-Duse (2004+) require 505.01 (though.... the V10 TDI in the Touareg did require 506.01, however, US/Canada inventory only had 505.01)
All Common-Rail require 507.00
507.00 does technically supercede the 505/506 specs also