Lifting the Phaeton on a Hydraulic Lift - Precautions

[WillemBal]

Hi John,

It looks like I have all of these plugs on stock:



The ones on the above picture are, from left to right:
Item #1, Part #443 803 583, Drain valve.
Item #19, Part # N904028, Sealing Cap 16.5 x 32.5.
Item #9, Part # N 101388, locking cover/Sealing cap A30
And the one in the foreground:
Item #15, Part # N101245, Plug A20

So you are missing item 9 here, my current stock is 6 pieces. Item 1 is a bit curious, as it basically just reduces the opening in which it fits to an oval hole of 4x6 mm.

Your second picture shows the same parts, but it is the other side of your car:



In your second picture above, item 15 is missing.
Prior to installing a new ones, the hole needs to be cleaned and some wax spray needs to be used on the part and the chassis to ensure both good bonding and good sealing. Michael explains in this nice post: Damage-arising-from-Towing-amp-Flatbed-Transportation

I sent you an e-mail. Just let me know whether these are the only ones which are missing.

The big round one is a one-way valve plug, with a plastic backing piece, 1K0 899 185.

Chris, I'm not sure that this part belongs to the Phaeton. The valve plug in the case of the Phaeton is the small one and has a tiny oval hole. The big round one is part N101388 and has no valve functionality at all. Did your dealer install this one in your car?

[Paximus]

WillemBal: Chris, I'm not sure that this part belongs to the Phaeton. The valve plug in the case of the Phaeton is the small one and has a tiny oval hole. The big round one is part N101388 and has no valve functionality at all. Did your dealer install this one in your car?

I bow to your correctness.

Folks, please ignore my main-dealer-supplied list above, they just went round the parts bins and pulled out stuff that looked as if it fitted.

The big round one in my list is a Golf heater duct relief vent and the oval one is listed in everything from Skoda to Bentley as a tie-down hook cover - but not listed for Phaeton.

I wonder what the difference is, it's the same part I think. Maybe it's because the Phaeton isn't supposed to be tied down at that point, so they provide a different part description... Who knows...

Chris

[n968412L]

I bow to your correctness.

Folks, please ignore my main-dealer-supplied list above, they just went round the parts bins and pulled out stuff that looked as if it fitted.

The big round one in my list is a Golf heater duct relief vent and the oval one is listed in everything from Skoda to Bentley as a tie-down hook cover - but not listed for Phaeton.

I wonder what the difference is, it's the same part I think. Maybe it's because the Phaeton isn't supposed to be tied down at that point, so they provide a different part description... Who knows...

Chris

Chris/All - this is hard.. trying to plug my bottom holes too. I have all those big oval ones missing - but that part number 904 028 doesn't seem to fit. It's the right size/shape - but it needs to be deeper I think. I've got four missing (off two Phaetons) at the front and four missing at the back. But 904 028 fits the back oval holes perfectly, but not the front. You would have thought they were the same... but they don't seem to be...

I'll keep researching!

Mike

[Paximus]

Right. Lets get serious. Bungs are bugging me!

Here's the parts page for MY2006 (click for large version).


image (c) Volkswagen

[n968412L]

Chris - thanks for the image. I certainly looked at this in the parts dept of local dealer last week. I agree it shows part 19 (904 0289) at both front and back.. and it is the same shape... but it doesn't fit either my GP0 or GP1 at the front ... the swaged hole is too deep. I could force the plug in... but it essentially turned it inside out.... of course I might be doing something wrong...

Regards

Mike

[Paximus]

Interesting. My part '19' fitted the front oval hole no problem. Your cars must be the armour plated versions

[n968412L]

Interesting. My part '19' fitted the front oval hole no problem. Your cars must be the armour plated versions

I'll buy some more and try again. The four I did buy were all used in the rear holes... for which I bought something else that didn't fit....

As I said... this is harder than it should be!

Regards
M

[n968412L]

Success!

Got some more 904 028 and succeeded in getting them into the oval holes in the front.

Picture show the hole:


The bung popped in:


And after a bit of fiddling around, turned right side out again.


Tomorrow - if the weather is still good, I'll stick some waxoyl paint where the existing seal has been damaged by careless jacking etc in the past.

M

[Paximus]

Waxoyl? I was wondering what to do about the wax - Michael said the factory smeared the metal edges and the rubber bung/plug with a setting wax, then painted the stuff over it afterwards (at least I think that was the gist of it).

Mine were just stuffed in, which has had me wondering daily, through the recent flooding here.

Chris

[n968412L]

Mine were just stuffed in, which has had me wondering daily, through the recent flooding here.

And I'm wondering about the value of the plugs at all...

In the top left of the first picture in this thread is a bung that is called "443 803 583 M Drain Valve" it is a plastic grommet with a hole in it - as per my pictures below. If the hole that this is in also vents into the same space as the two big bungs to the right of it (in the same picture) then we're wasting our time!

Regards

M

[Paximus]

Doh!

Yes, I have one of those, and as you say it's a 'drain hole'... that is to say, a hole, as in 'an opening'.

I wonder - it does seem inconceivable that the interior of the cabin is open to the top surface of those bungs. But that's the perceived wisdom.

Since I'm probably nearest to a flood, shall I drive through and see if the KESSY still works?

Chris

[PanEuropean]

Photos on this thread and the two threads Chris mentioned in the post above have been re-hosted.

Michael

[n968412L]

Michael - is it worth combining this thread with this one: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...om-the-bottom?
Thanks
M

[PanEuropean]

Michael - is it worth combining this thread with this one...

Yes, I think that is a good idea and I will do it.

Because posts are threaded (joined) together in date order of each individual post when two topics are merged, the result might be a little incongruent, but let's hope for the best...

Michael

[PanEuropean]

Archival Note: See also this discussion - Damage arising from Towing & Flatbed Transportation.

Michael

[DmcL]

FWIW the rectangular rubber pads shown on that picture of a phaeton on a lift do not need to be bought specially from VW. i cant say for the USA but over here i see many garages with rubber blocks like that so they can be bought from a generic supplier somewhere, probably for less than the VW items too.

was hoping to find some info in this thread about jacking the front of the car up and supporting it on axle stands but no such joy.. i have a set of front pads here needing to go in as the pad wear indicator is coming on in the dash. i was hoping id be able to jack the car up at the front lifting points and then put axle stands somewhere else thats suitable strong but looks like ill have to jack up one corner and have a look, maybe put the axle stands on a bit of the front subframe or try to catch front suspension arms or something as i dont want to be resting the weight of the front end on axle stands places under the floor/footwell area on such a heavy car. if i discover anywhere suitable and handy to use ill let you guys know.

also if you have no rubber jack pads or rubber to make a pad for axle stands a block of wood usually does as good a job.

[invisiblewave]

When I need to put it on jack stands, the easiest way I've found is to use the VW jack then place the jack stand on the underbody lift points with a practice ice hockey puck in-between.