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    Thread: FAQ: O2J Transmission Oil Change

    1. 05-08-2006 04:22 PM #26
      So far Shifting with MTL-R is a little notchy when cold, but once it warms up it's smooth again like the Redline stuff. I've been getting 90F temperatures in my area lately and shifting isn't notchy at all driving for about an hour. IMO It still definitely feels better than the OEM stuff. Only had it for about 2500 miles so far. I used this because it was recommended on Bobstheoilguy.com comments and couple threads on vortex.

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      05-08-2006 05:55 PM #27
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      05-23-2007 08:25 AM #28
      A guy in this ... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...50402 ... thread mentioned that there is a new Amsoil to use for trans. Is this an addition to the amsoil line or a replacement for my recommendation above? In other words, should I remove the above recommendation...or add to the list?

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      05-23-2007 09:49 PM #29
      to the vw oil.
      That says alot about vw's quality and it also shakes vw's opinion of never changing the gear oil, and vw have only made even checking the oil even harder by using tamperproof plugs!
      So theses are vw's faults
      First they design a faulty differential, they then use inferior gear oil which they dont change!
      And to make matters worse they put tamper proof plugs on the boxes!
      It would be nice to see a blackstone lab report on vw's hydraulic fluid for the power steering and see what they say about that!
      And if the gear oils anything to go on it may just be as bad!
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      05-24-2007 12:41 PM #30
      I've been using Royal Purple Max Gear 75W90 and i'm very happy with it.

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      05-25-2007 05:19 PM #31
      My metalnerd link to the MKV specialty bit is outdated. Anyone have the new link to it? I can't find it on metalnerd's site?
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      05-25-2007 08:25 PM #32
      Draper make the tool, just google vw gearbox drain plug tool and loads of links will appear.
      The draper part number is HDPK1.
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      06-26-2007 06:03 PM #33
      http://www.chevronlubricants.c...i.asp
      I noticed Chevron makes the DELO "gear" lubricant mentioned here but they also make a DELO "trans" fluid.
      Anyone know the diff or have tried either? Opinions?
      thanks

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      06-27-2007 05:52 PM #34
      gear oil is generally meant for manual transmissions
      where trans oil is generally for automatic transmissions
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    10. 07-02-2007 11:28 AM #35
      Quote, originally posted by phatvw »
      Here is my oil analysis on the oem oil:

      devil's advocate: was this your first trans oil change? if so, wouldn't it be normal to find more particles due to break-in?
      as for the 10w...yeeeaah...
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      07-04-2007 12:34 PM #36
      Syncromesh is offered in two different types from Penzoil and I think GM. One of the types is just for Gl4.
      Amsoil also sells a version of syncromesh.
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    12. 07-04-2007 05:10 PM #37
      Quote, originally posted by ryker77 »
      Syncromesh is offered in two different types from Penzoil and I think GM. One of the types is just for Gl4.
      Amsoil also sells a version of syncromesh.

      Can someone go into more detail on this? And officially reconfirm this.
      I have Pennzoil Synchromesh (yellow bottle from Autozone) in my car for over 25k miles with no issues.

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      07-04-2007 07:08 PM #38
      Yeah GM does a synchromesh fluid but HGB i think on the forum pointed out that it doesnt say if it's for a GL4 box but seeing as it's safe for brass synchros i would have thought so..
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    14. 07-13-2007 01:25 PM #39
      Quote, originally posted by groggory »
      1.1) Oil Spec
      --GL4 is recommended
      --Do not use GL5 as it contains extra additives which will harm your trans. Also, the GL5 is too slick and your synchro relies on a bit of drag. Only use GL4 to ensure proper operation.
      --They make GL4 + GL5 compliant oils (these are ok)
      --Use only synthetics

      You guys realize, Chevron Delo is not a synthetic? Just FYI. Whether it works or not is up for debate, but I just thought I'd point that out.
      Quote, originally posted by Chevron's Web Site »
      Chevron Delo® Gear Lubricants ESI® SAE 80W-90, 85W-140
      Chevron Delo Gear Lubricants ESI (formerly Chevron Delo Gear Lubricants) are premium grade, multipurpose gear lubricants. Approvals include MIL-PRF-2105E, API Service Classifications GL-4, GL-5 and MT-1, Mack GO-G, GO-H and GO-J (80W-90). These lubricants are the only non-synthetic gear oils approved by Eaton and Meritor (formerly Rockwell) for 750,000-mile extended warranty service in axles.

    15. 07-31-2007 08:33 PM #40
      Quote, originally posted by vw5 »
      http://www.chevronlubricants.c...i.asp
      I noticed Chevron makes the DELO "gear" lubricant mentioned here but they also make a DELO "trans" fluid.
      Anyone know the diff or have tried either? Opinions?
      thanks

      The GEAR oil is GL-4 spec, the TRANS fluid is NOT. You definitely want to use the Delo Gear Lubricant ESI 80w90.
      Follow the link for details: Chevron Delo Website

    16. 04-13-2010 05:02 PM #41
      Finally located some of this Chevron Delo 80w-90 gear oil and I wanted to share my source for anyone else in the St Louis area.
      Here's where I got it, and they keep it in stock:
      Fischer Oil
      433 Elm Street, Washington, MO 63090-2309
      (636) 239-3555ý
      I'm going to change out the fluid this weekend (oem is in there right now) and see how this stuff performs. Hopefully it's just as good as everyone say [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    17. 04-19-2010 03:47 PM #42
      Now that the Chevron Delo is in the gearbox, it shifts like butter! Feels like brand new, and that's with 161,000 miles on car
      Unbelievable what a difference this gear oil makes.

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      05-24-2010 09:49 PM #43
      I just did this in my 2000 glx jetta, i used redline MT-90, I am very dissapointed. i changed the oil in my 90k mile car had a perfect shifting trans before and know it grinds 3rd gear pretty bad. it has the proper fluid level, guess ill have to try the delo.

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      05-26-2010 10:40 AM #44
      I did a google search for Delo and have heard nothing but praise for the stuff, yet I can't find where to buy. I know it's marketed to commercial/industrial, but I'm seeing lots of people using it. Where are you getting it (besides the one shop in Missouri)??

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      05-29-2010 01:30 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by MarksManB View Post
      I did a google search for Delo and have heard nothing but praise for the stuff, yet I can't find where to buy. I know it's marketed to commercial/industrial, but I'm seeing lots of people using it. Where are you getting it (besides the one shop in Missouri)??
      I'll second this. I'm having a hard time finding it, too.

    21. 05-30-2010 12:50 PM #46
      Just put this in my 02J, have used it before on several 020's. It works wonders for getting rid of occasional grinds, and cold shifting is nearly as good as hot.


    22. 06-17-2010 08:59 PM #47
      Ok so just to give me a piece of mind. I got GM Synchromesh # 12377916 for my mk4 03 1.8t.

      Its safe to use right?

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      06-22-2010 02:44 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by kelchm View Post
      I'll second this. I'm having a hard time finding it, too.
      My local Napa can order it in at $9.20 a liter, but they have to order a whole case of it. Not sure if I'm going to go for it or not.

    24. 07-19-2010 09:06 AM #49
      does anyone know how the Delo 80w90 stands up in the winter months. i have a 1.8t mk4 and just bought some from fischer oil. i live in northern jersey so winter isnt too crazy but it does get really cold sometimes.

    25. 08-15-2010 07:18 PM #50
      Guys, I thought I'd chime in here. It's been a few years since I last posted on this forum.

      A few things: be careful of the word "syncromesh." It is used as a generic term as in any gear oil recommended for manual transmissions (typically GL-4 rated). However, it is also used to refer to some specific brand-name fluids such as the GM, Chrysler and Pennzoil synchromesh fluids.

      When selecting a fluid for a given tranny, it is best to stick with a viscosity (below measured in centistrokes - cSt @ 100 degrees centigrade) that is close to the original manufacturer's specifications. As you can see, they vary GREATLY from ATF-thin fluids all the way up to 90 weight gear oils.

      Manual Transmission Oil Viscosities:

      ATF type: 6.0 – 7.5 typical
      Honda MTF II 7.5 cSt
      Royal Purple Synchromax 7.7 cSt

      GM/Chrysler Synchromesh type: 8.5-10.0 typical
      Torco MTF 8.35 cSt
      Pennzoil Syncromesh: 9.08 cSt
      Amsoil MTF (5W-30) 9.6 cSt
      Red Line Oil MTL 10.6 cSt
      Honda MTF I 10-11? cSt

      75-85 Gear Oils: 12.0-12.5 typical
      Specialty Formulations MTL-P 12.0-12.5 cSt
      Castrol Syntorq 75W-85 12.0??? cSt
      Nissan 75W-85 12.0??? cSt

      90 weight Gear oils: 15-16.5 typical
      Royal Purple Max Gear 14.5 (Published: 21) cSt
      Amsoil MTG 14.7 cSt
      Pennzoil GL4 75W-90 15.3cSt
      Red Line Oil MT-90 15.6 cSt

      I stumbled onto this thread while searching (again) for Chevron lubricants online. If I am able to find a retailer/wholesaler that will ship directly to me, I will post the contact information here.

      2004srt4, any 80W-90 gear oil is going to flow rather poorly in below freezing temps. However, Delo also comes in a 75W-90 synthetic ... and that's the stuff I'm trying to find for my new S2000's diff.

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