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    Thread: The Official Mk1 20V post

    1. 12-02-2005 11:50 AM #1
      THIS INFO IS NO LONGER CURRENT
      Go to the 1.8t Swap FAQ linked in my signature for complete and up to date info!!!

      Official Mk1 20v Post

      This is meant to be a one stop shop for Mk1 20v swap info. If you have anything to add please contact me and I'll get it added to the first post.

      Project Pages:
      Rabbit
      --Patrick Schmidt's Swap
      --speeding-g60's Swap
      --Trevahhhh's Swap
      --VariantStg3/Tuners Warehouse Vehicle Info Page
      --1.8TRabbit's Swap
      Scirocco
      --Funksoulkitty Swap
      --PoloV8's Swap
      --Talx's Swap (thread 1)/Talx's Swap (thread 2)
      Cabriolet
      --Rolleboy's Swap

      Picture Posts:
      Engine Bay Shots

      Info:
      1.8t swap into a1 help
      1.8t swap which tranny to use
      1.8t swap questions
      20v 1.8T engine swap experience?
      Golf MK1 1.8 T questions
      Everybody with or installing a 20v post in here
      AMB 1.8T

      Mounts:
      Engine Mounts for Codes ATW/AEB/external waterpump blocks:
      -OE Mk1 engine mounts will bolt to these blocks, you do not need custom mounts.
      Engine Mount for Codes AWD/AWW/AWP/all internal waterpump blocks:
      -You'll need custom mounts for the engine
      Trans Mount for O20:
      -020 trans bolts right in with OE mounts
      Trans Mounts for O2A,O2J:
      -You will need custom mounts for these transmissions

      Who Makes Custom Engine/Trans Mounts??
      -WRDUSA.com sells a O2J mount kit
      -Vortex user need_a_vr6 can sells O2A and O2J mounts
      -Vortex user Pataron can sells O2A mounts
      -Dan Bubb <jdbubb@verizon.net> sells O2J mounts
      -I(boostin20v) have one set of custom mk1 frame rails modded for mk4 mounts, PM for details

      Wiring Diagrams:
      AEB Diagram

      Which 20v engine should you use?
      Engine code AEB from the 97-99 Audi A4 and VW Passat.
      Benifits:
      -use of Mk1 motor mounts, no need for custom mounts
      -larger intake and exahust ports:
      -big intake ports: 54mm x 26mm (small ports: 43mm x 26mm)
      -big exhaust ports: 36mm (small ports: 33mm)
      -20mm wrist-pins (later engines have 19mm)
      Cons:
      -AEB engines are hard to find, and the euro versions (AGU/ADR) are difficult to find/import

      Forged Internals?
      AEB are all cast
      AUG auto is cast, AUG manual is forged
      AWD/AWW/AWP/AWM are all forged

      Users who've asked their names be listed for swap help/info:
      VariantStg3, andrew.lloyd@tunerswarehouse.com


      Modified by Boostin20v at 3:55 PM 5-28-2008


    2. 12-02-2005 11:56 AM #2

      slow day at work Stu??


    3. 12-02-2005 12:09 PM #3
      vortex should be my work

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      12-02-2005 01:11 PM #4
      this is better than the official 16V thread by 4 valves!
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      12-02-2005 01:34 PM #5
      Thanks for putting a link to my thread in

      I really will try to get the thing fired up before Christmas


    6. 12-20-2005 12:34 AM #6
      added Talx's swap

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      01-04-2006 11:51 PM #7
      this is great

    8. 01-05-2006 12:56 AM #8
      anyone who uses this info for a project, start a thread dedicated to it and I'll add it to the list

    9. 02-04-2006 05:56 PM #9
      seriously, this needs to be sticky!!

    10. 02-04-2006 09:44 PM #10
      i agree ... should be a sticky!

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      seriously, this needs to be sticky!!
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      03-15-2006 06:46 PM #12
      anybody want to give help on wiring to ce2 ? using AEB harness that is !

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      03-15-2006 06:53 PM #13
      So the hot setup is an AEB block with AWP internals?
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    14. 03-15-2006 10:19 PM #14
      nah, keep the whole AEB. The later blocks have smaller wrist pins (19 vs 20mm)

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      03-16-2006 11:12 AM #15
      But can the cast internals keep up with big turbo setups?
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    16. 03-16-2006 12:15 PM #16
      the AEB uses an external water pump, an intermediate shaft....its very much like an older 8v or 16v. the newer engines are internal water pumps without the intermediate shaft.

    17. 04-11-2006 05:26 PM #17
      bump as....well I dont know seems people cant find this

    18. 04-12-2006 04:35 PM #18
      added AEB wiring diagram -- thanks [inser username of person I forgot]

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      04-12-2006 04:42 PM #19
      LOL it was I

    20. 04-12-2006 06:48 PM #20
      Quote, originally posted by revival »
      LOL it was I

      haha sorry bout that, thanks


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      04-14-2006 11:36 PM #21
      I was checking out funksoulkitty's webpage and now I have a question.

      If I use an AEB motor from a passat and have to switch to a golf/jetta intake manifold. What year should I use.

      Thanks.

      AWP vs. AEB

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    22. 04-15-2006 02:25 AM #22
      sweet thread, good job

    23. 04-15-2006 10:17 AM #23
      Quote, originally posted by vdubspeed »
      If I use an AEB motor from a passat and have to switch to a golf/jetta intake manifold. What year should I use.

      I made 319whp on a dynodynamic with my OE AWD small port intake manifold on my ADR (euro equiv AEB) head. Car was running a Tec3 with a ok, not great tune. bascially my point is that you can run a small port intake manifold without too much problems (FWIW 319whp on the dynodynamic is somewhere between 360-370whp on a dynojet).

      Ideally you've got two options.
      Option one you'd buy a AGU intake manifold, the AGU is the only transversely mounted large port engine code. Problem is it was a non US only setup. From time to time they are avaliable on ebay.de and even the vortex classifieds.
      Option two you buy an aftermarket intake manifold (~$525-~$1000) whcih you can order with TB on either drivers or passenger side and either small or large port.


    24. 04-15-2006 01:38 PM #24
      Quote, originally posted by Boostin20v »

      (FWIW 319whp on the dynodynamic is somewhere between 360-370whp on a dynojet).

      360whp! hopefully someday my golf will reach that


    25. 04-15-2006 04:43 PM #25
      wow

    26. 04-16-2006 11:27 AM #26
      Clarified/Expanded Mk1 -> 20v engine and transmission mount info

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      04-16-2006 11:47 AM #27
      Your AEB wiring diagram link is down I really need this info for another 20v swap I'm doing

    28. 04-16-2006 12:36 PM #28
      Quote, originally posted by polov8 »
      Your AEB wiring diagram link is down I really need this info for another 20v swap I'm doing

      doh, looks like I fuged the permissions on the file. I'll get it working tomorrow.


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      04-16-2006 01:14 PM #29
      New question:
      If I have use an AEB ECU...will I still be able to check the codes using a OBDII port and VAG-COM?

      If you can't pull the codes...how will you know what's up with the motor?

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    30. 04-16-2006 01:46 PM #30
      if your going to use the AEB ecu then make sure you wiring in the OBDII port. without hte port you wont get the codes.

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      04-16-2006 02:26 PM #31
      Quote, originally posted by Boostin20v »
      if your going to use the AEB ecu then make sure you wiring in the OBDII port. without hte port you wont get the codes.

      perfect. I'm assuming it's only a couple pins anyway to get the codes. I'd love to see that AEB wiring diagram if you get the .pdf back up.

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    32. 04-16-2006 04:11 PM #32
      I swear it'll be up tomorrow!

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      04-16-2006 06:24 PM #33
      Quote, originally posted by vdubspeed »
      New question:
      If I have use an AEB ECU...will I still be able to check the codes using a OBDII port and VAG-COM?

      If you can't pull the codes...how will you know what's up with the motor?

      Its only 3 wires to wire up the scan port. power ground, and the harness k-wire (grey/white)

      the bewildered looks you get from people as you plug in your laptop to and ancient ass rabbit. always a good time.


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      04-16-2006 07:33 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by splitmeister »

      Its only 3 wires to wire up the scan port. power ground, and the harness k-wire (grey/white)

      the bewildered looks you get from people as you plug in your laptop to and ancient ass rabbit. always a good time.

      thanks...I was sure it was going to be about 3 wires.

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      04-16-2006 08:24 PM #35
      any idea where i can get info on getting a 20v head on my aba block???
      I want to run NA.

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