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    1. Member kaljer's Avatar
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      12-29-2005 12:16 AM #1
      Hey guys,

      I am looking for a car that can tow my Jetskis. Yes I said car, I would much prefer not to get an SUV as I can only afford to have one vehicle and 95% of the time when I care about gas mileage over pulling a trailer.

      Is there anything out there that can tow 3000lbs or so? Realistically its slight overkill as the skis total to 1600 and the aluminum trailer that tows 2 of them is probably not very heavy...

      Thanks,
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    2. 12-29-2005 12:18 AM #2
      as odd as it is, the hyundai elantra is rated to tow 3000 lbs

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      12-29-2005 12:19 AM #3
      Are you serious? I was nervous about it pulling its own weight....haha
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    4. 12-29-2005 12:23 AM #4
      it soviet russia, car tows YOU!!

      oops


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      12-29-2005 12:26 AM #5
      Quote, originally posted by kaljer »
      Is there anything out there that can tow 3000lbs or so? Realistically its slight overkill as the skis total to 1600 and the aluminum trailer that tows 2 of them is probably not very heavy...

      Hyundai Elantra has a listed 3086 pound towing capacity for a trailer with brakes. Rather odd that it would have such a high towing capacity, when larger Hyundai cars have 2000 pounds or less.

      However, most cars, even big ones, have spec limits of 2000 pounds or less these days.

      Some vans have towing limits of 3000 pounds or more. The Dodge Sprinter has a 5000 pound towing limit.


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      12-29-2005 12:29 AM #6
      Yea, interesting, but my trailer obviously doesn't have brakes...dont really want to go the van route.

      One would think there would be SOMETHING out there!

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      12-29-2005 12:33 AM #7
      magnum/300c and presumably charger will do 3800lbs with the towing package.
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      12-29-2005 12:34 AM #8
      Quote, originally posted by dj_wawa »
      it soviet russia, car tows YOU!!

      oops

      OMFG, i had to leave my desk for that one....


    9. 12-29-2005 12:37 AM #9
      Quote, originally posted by Skot53 »

      OMFG, i had to leave my desk for that one....

      Bahahaha,

      Looks like even his boxers ripped.


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      12-29-2005 12:38 AM #10
      Um, yeah, can I get a Soviet Russia pic, hold the sac please!
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    11. 12-29-2005 12:38 AM #11
      Quote, originally posted by crashmtb »
      magnum/300c and presumably charger will do 3800lbs with the towing package.

      Yep. These cars can tow that much. An Allroad is also rated for 3700lbs as well.

      Unfortunately, I don't think you can get the tow package with the SRT8 package - which seriously sucks.


    12. 12-29-2005 12:40 AM #12
      Quote, originally posted by Patrick Arena »
      Um, yeah, can I get a Soviet Russia pic, hold the sac please!


      damn you for pointing that out. damn you straight to heck.


    13. 12-29-2005 12:44 AM #13
      Quote, originally posted by Patrick Arena »
      Um, yeah, can I get a Soviet Russia pic, hold the sac please!

      i hope that works...


      Modified by nourdmrolnmt1 at 9:45 PM 12-28-2005


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      12-29-2005 12:45 AM #14
      Yea I'm looking to be in the $10,000 or less range, so those won;t work
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    15. 12-29-2005 12:46 AM #15
      Quote, originally posted by kaljer »
      Yea I'm looking to be in the $10,000 or less range, so those won;t work

      Saab 9-5 should be able to, especially with the 5 speed.


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      12-29-2005 12:49 AM #16
      Quote, originally posted by Patrick Arena »
      Um, yeah, can I get a Soviet Russia pic, hold the sac please!


      x one million


      OMFG

      im saving this post


      LOL


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      12-29-2005 01:08 AM #17
      Honestly, for 1500 lbs, just about anything will work FINE.

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      12-29-2005 01:09 AM #18
      Sold the Jetta--to my parents ha ha ha, so I visit it sometimes, but I can't tow with it
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      12-29-2005 01:47 AM #19
      Won't I kill the clutch towing?
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    20. 12-29-2005 02:06 AM #20
      Quote, originally posted by kaljer »
      Won't I kill the clutch towing?

      Ask the driver of this Peterbilt:

      If you double clutch you can extend the life of your clutch dramatically, but it isn't necessary if you are shifting properly. You get a feel of the clutch after a while. The advantage of a manual over an automatic is that there isn't any slippage when in gear - the gears are driven direct when the clutch isn't in use. In an automatic car the torque converter always provides slippage unless it is a lock up torque converter - then slippage would only occur some of the time. Manual transmissions are more durable and will last longer than an automatic. Manuals provide better fuel economy due to the direct drive of the gears.

      easy double clutching

      fancy double clutching


      Modified by Winged Nut at 2:12 AM 12-29-2005


    21. 12-29-2005 02:11 AM #21
      Audi...quattro.

      First gear is pretty short. If you get the right model (like the one pictured), you'll have a 240mm clutch disc from the factory that easily lasts 200k miles. I've towed a 2800lb car out of a 5ft. drop ditch before as well, but using a tow strap.



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      12-29-2005 02:17 AM #22
      If I were you, I would compare all of the cars you are looking at, and buy the one with the best brakes.

      Wether the trailer has brake-assist or not, you still have to stop that weight... and while trucks/SUVs typically have oversized brakes to account for this, most passenger cars do not.

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    23. 12-29-2005 02:53 AM #23
      Hmm, 2wd + slippery boat ramp + 3000lbs....no.

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      12-29-2005 03:01 AM #24
      Quote, originally posted by TabulaVicious »
      Hmm, 2wd + slippery boat ramp + 3000lbs....no.

      unless it's something like

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    25. 12-29-2005 03:05 AM #25
      If you want something that looks like poo and drives like a truck, you might as well buy a truck.


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      12-29-2005 03:15 AM #26
      Quote, originally posted by Winged Nut »
      Aftermarket brake upgrades negate your logic.

      And how much do these cost, and what cars are these available for??

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      12-29-2005 08:02 AM #27
      Quote, originally posted by TabulaVicious »
      Hmm, 2wd + slippery boat ramp + 3000lbs....no.

      That sir, is a VERY good point, I didn't think about that one...

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    29. 12-29-2005 09:57 AM #29

      This is the ONLY car I'd tow with.

      -John


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      12-29-2005 10:00 AM #30
      Quote, originally posted by kaljer »

      That sir, is a VERY good point, I didn't think about that one...

      Yeah, why don't you ask the boaters in here and not the desk jockeys who look at numbers.

      CAN you make a car work well towing with 3,000 lbs? Well....it will make the thing move if thats what your asking.

      That doesn't mean you SHOULD.

      Trailering is about safety and capacity. Spend some time on a boat ramp and see what people are pulling their toys with. My 18 foot Bayliner was a 3,000 lb package (with trailer brakes) which I towed with a GMC s10 Jimmy. I would characterize it as BARELY ADEQUATE, especially on hills or slippery launch ramps. I have seen smaller runabouts pull full size vans RIGHT into the water.

      Then again, I saw some moron in an Audi 80 pulling a 19 foot boat. Doable? Maybe. Safe? HELL NO!!!!!!!

      FOr 2 jetskiis, you NEED AWD or 4WD. You NEED a heavier curb weight vehicle to hold you on the ramp. And you NEED good brakes working with that weight to slow down and control the rig.

      You can get by with 2WD if you have a heavier vehicle - those Caprice/Roadmasters are EXCELLENT suggestions as a car-based hauler. I have seen those haul some ridiculous weight. But bear in mind that you will get on a ramp that is wet and slippery, and if you need the extra traction, you are SOL.

      Again, go to the ramp and watch the fun. Launch ramps are the Great Equalizer in boating, and they will teach you not only what works for tow vehicles, but launch procedures and how purely inept people are.

      My general rule for trailerboats and tow vehicles is this:

      FWD is out. Buy the biggest, most rugged tow vehicle you can afford. Because its cheaper to do it right the first time. As your boat needs grow, you will have a tow vehicle to handle them rather then buying tow vehicle after tow vehicle.

      For your needs, a FULL SIZE, RWD, BODY ON FRAME vehicle like a Caprice will do this job WITH ABILITY TO SPARE. (Which is a Very Good Thing).

      A compact SUV like a Blazer will also do this job WITH ABILITY TO SPARE.

      Any compact pickup truck will do this job WITH ABILITY TO SPARE.

      Some of the "Allroad" type wagons, like the Volvo XC or the Audi Allroad Quattro will do this, but you said your pricerange is out of touch there.

      A Volvo 960 I have witnessed tow a 20 foot bowrider, apparantly with ability to spare, so thats a suggestion.

      The bottom line is no normal car nowadays is meant for the rigors of towing. Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you SHOULD.


    31. 12-29-2005 10:15 AM #31
      Quote, originally posted by Winged Nut »
      Aftermarket brake upgrades negate your logic.

      A dual caliper set up with four pistons in each caliper combined with a cross drilled rotor for the front and cross drilled rotors with a single four piston caliper will stop just about anything.

      Dual caliper:
      Four piston caliper:


      Dual calipers equals increased unsprung weight, which is bad.
      Cross drilled rotors plus massively increased load from braking down vehicle and trailer equals cracked and trashed rotors, which is bad.

      For the street you need the largest solid rotors you can afford, that will fit your application, a good set of pads, and fresh DOT 4+ fluid. A set of Teflon lined braided stainless brake hoses won't necessarily help braking power, but can significantly improve feel, especially if the car has a few miles already.


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      12-29-2005 10:16 AM #32
      Quote, originally posted by The Kilted Yaksman »

      Dual calipers equals increased unsprung weight, which is bad.
      Cross drilled rotors plus massively increased load from braking down vehicle and trailer equals cracked and trashed rotors, which is bad.

      For the street you need the largest solid rotors you can afford, that will fit your application, a good set of pads, and fresh DOT 4+ fluid. A set of Teflon lined braided stainless brake hoses won't necessarily help braking power, but can significantly improve feel, especially if the car has a few miles already.

      Power is nothing without control.

      You can have the best brakes in the world, but if the wieght behind the vehicle is too great for said vehicle to handle it, all you have is the tail wagging the dog.


    33. 12-29-2005 10:19 AM #33
      Quote, originally posted by mtrainTurbo »
      Power is nothing without control.

      You can have the best brakes in the world, but if the wieght behind the vehicle is too great for said vehicle to handle it, all you have is the tail wagging the dog.


      I won't argue that, I was just commenting on brake upgrades that weren't really appropriate to the topic.

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      12-29-2005 10:25 AM #34
      Quote, originally posted by The Kilted Yaksman »

      I won't argue that, I was just commenting on brake upgrades that weren't really appropriate to the topic.

      If you are towing a boat and you need to significantly modify the vehicle you own to do the job, you have the wrong vehicle and are therefore a safety hazard.

      Period, end of conversation.

      I have seen too many idiots do too many stupid things while I was a boater. People don't realize that towing things is not a ***** contest, its a safety issue. When you compromize that, you hear about families who left thier kids in the car as the boat pulled the whole works into the water.

      I don't give a flying f**k whether its a Jetski, a Bayliner, or a 28 foot cruiser. Buy a vehicle dedicated to doing the job right.

      And it sickens me to see people with OBVIOUSLY no experience on this subject, giving advice about it.


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      12-29-2005 10:36 AM #35
      Quote, originally posted by mtrainTurbo »


      FOr 2 jetskiis, you NEED AWD or 4WD. You NEED a heavier curb weight vehicle to hold you on the ramp.

      bah.

      It totally depends on the ramps you are visiting and what you are launching. Ski's are light enough and have a shallow enough draft that exact placement on the trailer is not necessary and you don't have to submerge the trailer much to get the skis on (which means you don't have to get the car as far down the ramp as even a small center console or day cruiser.

      If you travel alot to different areas or you often lauch in tidal areas, you may want to look at something with awd, because you never know what you are going to get. If you are in the same places all the time, and they have decent ramps, if you launch off ramps that cater to skis and smaller boats (shallower angle, less drop off), or you are always launching in relatively stable lakes and ponds, you will be FINE with a 2 wheel drive car. FWD or RWD.


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