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    Thread: "DIY" Removing/Replacing Spark Plugs on a 24v VR6

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      01-10-2006 05:57 PM #1
      Well i dont think anyone has done a DIY on 24v's so i figured i would. i had never done the job on 24v's and this only took me about 30 minutes. you dont need many tools just the basic spark plug socket, a little flat head screw driver, and some plyers to get the coil packs off. my car has 41,XXX miles on it and replacing the plugs are recommended to be done every 40,000 miles. well heres the pics to guide you through.

      my server is currently down i will try to update the pics as soon as possible
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      1. You open the hood and this is what you see


      2. Take the engine cover off. it just pops off


      3. this is the little screw driver i was talking about


      4. place the flat head in between the clips to remove the top of the coil pack


      5. just keep playing with the clip until you can pop it off


      6. once the clips are all popped off push them all aside for more room


      7. Now is when you will need the plyers


      8. Place the plyers over the coil pack like so, then pull and twist until the coil pack just pops out.


      9. the coil pack out of your engine


      10. Now you will need a wrench and an uber long extension with your spark plug socket.


      11. taking the spark plug out


      12. and 5 more to go


      13. NGK OEM VW spark plug with 41,XXX miles on it


      14. and your done


      15. Wait for your new parts.
      OEM plugs are the following on the 24v VR6:
      NGK PZF-R5D-1 @ 0.027" (0.70mm).

      16. when you do put new plugs in i recommend using anti seize on the threads before you put the spark plugs back in.

      17. dont over tighten spark plugs when you put them back in your car. 18 ft-lb or 25Nm are the torque spec's
      hope this helps people


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      01-10-2006 05:59 PM #2
      Nice DIY only someone should post the specs from the bentley as to what they are supposed to be torqued to

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      01-10-2006 06:00 PM #3
      very good write up....get them torque specs!
      1986 Porsche 944 Turbo - Big turbo! Pshhhhhh

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      01-10-2006 06:02 PM #4
      thanks.
      yah if anyone knows the torque specs post them up.
      like i posted im just waiting for parts now so im not putting anything back together yet


    5. 01-10-2006 06:06 PM #6
      Quote, originally posted by abydielsgli »

      Did you use the wrong size socket, or are VW plugs really SAE while everything else in the car is metric?


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      01-10-2006 06:07 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by mahmgb »

      Did you use the wrong size socket, or are VW plugs really SAE while everything else in the car is metric?


      i know what you mean by everything being metric on our cars but my socket worked fine and absolutely no stripping or anything.

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      01-10-2006 06:16 PM #8
      YES!!!!!!!!!!!! finally a DIY I NEED! thank you so much, not sure if your the same person that posted the poll on a diy you'de like to see. i posted the vr6 24v spark plug change and you delivered.

      i'm at 50K so this HAS to be done. thanks


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      01-10-2006 06:18 PM #9
      your welcome
      but no im not that person that posted that thread up. i just said screw it cause im tired of waiting to do it so i just did it. simple job also

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      01-10-2006 06:20 PM #10
      well cheers and thx again

      added

      to that person, thanks anyway. you know what they say. you snooze you lose




      Modified by vrsixt9 at 3:27 PM 1-10-2006


    10. 01-10-2006 11:40 PM #11
      so what plug did you decide to use? and did you notice any performance difference like smoother engine better throttle response ect.

      Dan


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      01-11-2006 12:22 AM #12
      Good info, I did my 40K service at the dealership, so I assume they replaced the spark plugs like they're supposed to do

    12. 01-11-2006 10:33 AM #13
      My bentley is at work so when I go in today Ill get the torque specs for anyone that wants them.

    13. 01-11-2006 11:03 AM #14
      18 ft-lb or 25Nm

    14. 01-11-2006 11:25 AM #15
      Does anyone know of another way to get the coilpacks off? My car's got around 37k miles on it, i don't think the coil packs on there now have ever been taken off, so they are really stuck on there. (i think i have the new coilpacks though) Anyway, i can't get them off with my hands and I don't want to break them with pliers, has anyone found another way to pop them out that works well?

      Oh and anti-seize vs. no anti-seize, what does the bentley and VW say? At only 18 ft-lb of torque, I would think it'd be really easy to over tighten them if you use anti-seize. Also, they are 40k plugs so its not like they will be on my car till the end of time.


      Modified by 02blkgtivr6 at 1:34 PM 1-11-2006


    15. 01-11-2006 11:35 AM #16
      There is a removing tool (T10095 puller) for the coils

    16. 01-11-2006 12:05 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by MarcoVR6SC »
      There is a removing tool (T10095 puller) for the coils

      I guess VW has these, which means it'd be a PITA to get hold of and I don't feel like spending money for a tool I will use one time. Does anyone know any special techniques to get these things off other than grabbing them with pliers?


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      01-11-2006 12:08 PM #18
      Quote, originally posted by abydielsgli »

      i know what you mean by everything being metric on our cars but my socket worked fine and absolutely no stripping or anything.


      If I'm not mistaken, the plugs are one of those sizes that are so close either will work. I think they are purposely designed that way. All spark plug used to be SAE, and a larger size socket then the current ones. I think they changed to this size to eliminate the problem. I don't think I've ever even seen a metric plug socket......that's not to say that they don't exist, but I've never needed one either.

      Nice write up. The only thing I see missing that keeps it from being a complete post is the plug gap. I remember looking all over when I did mine, but I don't remember what it is supposed to be.


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      01-11-2006 02:18 PM #19
      Quote, originally posted by 02blkgtivr6 »
      Does anyone know of another way to get the coilpacks off?Modified by 02blkgtivr6 at 1:34 PM 1-11-2006

      I've heard of people using couple of zip ties to make a long loop. Hook it under the lip at the top of the coil pack (check the pics and you'll see how one side hangs out over the shaft) and PULL.


    19. 01-11-2006 02:37 PM #20
      I've done it with a simple electrical multi gauge wire, make a loop with the wire (like a lasso) put it over the coil down to the bottom, tighten the loop so it’s around the rounded piece of the coil and then just pull (hard). I think you can get the puller in some stores and it doesn't cost that much, it's a very simple piece of plastic (well I think it is plastic).


    20. 01-11-2006 06:26 PM #21
      Quote, originally posted by MarcoVR6SC »
      I've done it with a simple electrical multi gauge wire, make a loop with the wire (like a lasso) put it over the coil down to the bottom, tighten the loop so it’s around the rounded piece of the coil and then just pull (hard). I think you can get the puller in some stores and it doesn't cost that much, it's a very simple piece of plastic (well I think it is plastic).

      Just did it tonight, the electrical wire worked great.


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      01-11-2006 10:11 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by 2NSANE »
      so what plug did you decide to use? and did you notice any performance difference like smoother engine better throttle response ect.

      Dan

      im just going to use OEM plugs again. you can get them here lower still NGK
      or $15/each


      Quote, originally posted by MarcoVR6SC »
      18 ft-lb or 25Nm

      thank you

      Quote, originally posted by jeremyc74 »

      Nice write up. The only thing I see missing that keeps it from being a complete post is the plug gap. I remember looking all over when I did mine, but I don't remember what it is supposed to be.

      Posted it up


    22. 01-11-2006 10:20 PM #23
      Good write up for someone not knowing much. I'd suggest using a locking exstension if you have one though cause if your using a new spark plug socket they like to stick sometimes making it a pain to get off the plug. just my .02

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      01-11-2006 10:33 PM #24
      ^^^^^^

      yah i know what you mean but my extension worked fine and if half of it would of disconnected it still was popping out of the engine so i could just take it out with my hand


    24. 01-12-2006 05:18 PM #25
      Quote, originally posted by mahmgb »

      Did you use the wrong size socket, or are VW plugs really SAE while everything else in the car is metric?

      5/8" is almost exactly 16mm (or was it 17mm???) err...whatever the top bolts of the rear shock mounts are. Same size.

      Great DIY.


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      01-12-2006 07:01 PM #26
      whats the socket i need to use?

      joking


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      01-13-2006 01:10 PM #27
      Quote, originally posted by MarcoVR6SC »
      There is a removing tool (T10095 puller) for the coils


      VW doesnt sell this tool, so where can we buy it? thanks

      p.s. anyone have pics of this ziptie/elec. wire option.

      -bump for the pics


    27. 01-14-2006 04:47 AM #28
      just use pliers...you wont damage the coils...i change my plugs every 10k miles so ive done it like 6 times now. im actually doing it again tomorrow...ive always used pliers, and even with me changing the plugs a lot the coils are still in there good...thats the point theres a rubber gasket on them to keep out dirt and water and other crap thats why its so hard to get them out.

      anyways pliers work great and thats what id recommend. also yes 18ft/lbs is the torque setting.

      and as for plug gap, i think its posted up there, but if you buy the stock NGK's they are pregapped and they dont recommend playing with them...so dont worry about gapping the stock NGK's

      i however use BOSCH F6DTC copper electrode triple prong plugs *its the stock plug for 16v motors* i dont recommend these plugs to anybody unless your car has boost but the plus side is they are only like 4$ a piece as opposed to 15$ like the stock plugs. anyways good write up


    28. 01-14-2006 11:27 AM #29
      Quote, originally posted by 2002gtibluvr6 »
      i however use BOSCH F6DTC copper electrode triple prong plugs *its the stock plug for 16v motors* i dont recommend these plugs to anybody unless your car has boost but the plus side is they are only like 4$ a piece as opposed to 15$ like the stock plugs. anyways good write up

      What did you set the gap to with these particular plugs for your FI application? I have had these plugs waiting to go in for over a year, but not sure where to gap them. I want an efficient gap for my FI application.

      Thanks.


    29. 01-15-2006 04:36 PM #30
      it was on VF's website what to gap them too...that section of their site is "under construction" so i cant figure it out.

      either way its a lot harder to gap a 3prong plug then a 1 prong plug. last time i ran those plugs i didnt gap them i just installed them car ran perfectly. so you should be ok not worrying about the gap. if your super worried about it call VF on monday and see what they say.


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      01-15-2006 08:08 PM #31
      why are you using those plugs? no wonder you change every 10K at least i spend $15 each but change every 35K

    31. 01-16-2006 01:31 PM #32
      i already said why im using those plugs. you see when you have this thing called BOOST, your motor runs a lot hotter then a NA motor. your car also usually runs a lot richer to prevent predetonation which can destroy a boosted motor in a heart beat. when you have really high temps and a ton of fuel, spark plugs go bad a lot sooner...i COULD run the 90$ stock plugs but even though they are long life they are just about toast around 15k miles....or i can spend 30$ and have a plug last jst as long.

      i use that plug because its a colder plug, it helps combat pinging, and flat spots. in the conditions i use them they last just as long and are 4 times cheaper then stock plugs and my car runs better with the copper plugs anyways. so lets see have a cheaper plug run better, be safer, and last just as long why in the world would i buy the more expensive plugs?



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      01-21-2006 04:21 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by kjmurch »
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1792683

      For the VR6 Jetta Owners.


      thats for 12v's but it is a good write up

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      01-21-2006 08:22 PM #35
      nice work

      we couldnt figure it out at school and never done one at work either im ganna have to pass this along


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