Official: New York Yankees Thread

[g60rabbit]

I was one of the guys that thought a kid should be brought up rather then bring Bernie back, and although I still believe that atleast a little bit Bernie is the man

"In July, Williams was replaced for a week by Melky Cabrera, an overmatched rookie. In October, he watched Crosby start three playoff games and crash into Sheffield at the wall in the final loss to the Angels. Williams never asked for sympathy.

He never ripped the organization the way Frank Thomas recently criticized the White Sox, who declined his option after 16 years with the team. Williams said his own posture should not be something special.

"It should be the norm," he said. "It shouldn't be the exception. We get paid to play. I am fortunate to have this opportunity, and every day I am here, I'm grateful to be here and put on the uniform. It's fun to be here. Who wouldn't want to be a part of this team?"

[beng]

It'll be a sad day when Bernie calls it quits. One of the greatest Yankees I've gotten to see play.

[StarvinMarvin]

Can't spell Williams without CLASS

[Vision33r]

Mike & the Mad Dog criticized the yanks everyday on the show about the pitching staff.

You can't win the world series without quality pitching.

I don't see how 06' the yanks are any better than 05'

Pavano, this is like Kenny Rogers when he was with the yanks, medocre pitcher then leaving the yanks and becoming a solid pitcher.

Jaret Wright, 1 quality start for the yanks, evar.. then hurt..

Randy Johnson, giving up so many bombs last year.

Mussina as always, can't win in post season.

I like to see the yanks part their ways with several players and acquire some better pitching talent..

[g60rabbit]

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I don't see how 06' the yanks are any better than 05'

Is this you talking or Mike and the Mad dog??

The Yankee rotation is already better with full seasons of Chacon and Wang.

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Pavano, this is like Kenny Rogers when he was with the yanks, medocre pitcher then leaving the yanks and becoming a solid pitcher.

Pavano was hurt last year, I will give him another year until I say he is no good.

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Jaret Wright, 1 quality start for the yanks, evar.. then hurt..

Hurt once, hit in the neck with a bat the 2nd time. He only pitched in 13 games. Oh and he had 2 quality starts

So between he and Pavano they had 30 starts and went 9-11. Aroon Small probably won't go 10-0 but I think we well see more then 30 starts and 9 wins from Pavano and Wright.

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Randy Johnson, giving up so many bombs last year. .

He was also 5th in the league in innings pitched, 2nd in the league in strikeouts, had a 3.78 ERA, was 5-0 against the Sox. He was also 8-2 in the 2nd half. All in his first year adjusting to NY.

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Mussina as always, can't win in post season. ..

In the most recent history in 04 he left both games he pitched against the Red Sox with the lead, and last year he came back from injury and went 1 and 1. In 03 he came into the ALCS with runners on 1 and 3 no out and shut down the Sox. I trust him.

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I like to see the yanks part their ways with several players and acquire some better pitching talent..

Thats fine, talent has to be available to be able to get it and in the past couple of years it just hasn't been there.

after 06 Moose is a FA, The Yankees have a team option on Wright, and Chacon is a FA.

The Yankees have enough pitching to win this year.

[beng]

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Mussina as always, can't win in post season.

WTF?

Barring the last atrocious game he pitched in the Angels series...this statement leads me to wonder if you've ever actually watched him pitch in the post season.

He NEVER gets runs support...and lest we forget, it was his stellar performance agaisnt the A's that kept them in a position to win that clincher (that and Jeter's miracle play).

Could the Yankee pitching be better? Sure. However, I think, if that lineup can stay healthy....that pitching staff is more than capable of keeping them in games.

[StarvinMarvin]

I'm definately more confident in the starting pitching this year than I am last year. I'm still worried about the bullpen. anyone have any news on farnsworth?

[g60rabbit]

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I'm definately more confident in the starting pitching this year than I am last year. I'm still worried about the bullpen. anyone have any news on farnsworth?

I wouldn't worry about the bullpen. We actually have 2 guys that can get lefties out in Myers and Villone.

Dotel will be healthy soon enough and Kyle brings some toughness to the pen.

[beng]

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anyone have any news on farnsworth?

News about what?

[ed rooney]

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News about what?

He came out of the closet ....G60 really seems to be sold on Dotels health and comeback....Uh the guy sucked when he was healthy now he's damaged goods? Villone is hit or miss and Myers is leftys only, I can't wait till Torre tries to have him face rightys and or multiple hitters...A guy who gets out 1 hitter is great in post season but in the regular season he taxes you pen...

[StarvinMarvin]

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News about what?

Just an overall scouting report i guess.

It's just a growing trend in the organization lately. We get two new pitchers one who's coming off a major surgery. The other has the adjustment to NY story to worry about. I just hope they pitch.

[g60rabbit]

Hey if 725k's in 600 innings with a career ERA of 3.63 sucks thats fine, but as the 6th or 7th inning guys I think its pretty good. Dotel might be horrible this year but he wants to be here [took less money then what the Sox offered] is playing for a contract and I think he could get very comfortable in the role he will be used in.

Myers and Villone will save our pen in the reg season. We won't be forced to use right handed guys that can't get out lefties.

[ed rooney]

How 1 and done Myers is going to save the pen in the regular season is beyond me....You have to bring in another pitcher if a Righty is coming up....If you have to get a lefty and need 1 out Myers might be your guy....

[beng]

Quote, originally posted by StarvinMarvin »

Just an overall scouting report i guess. It's just a growing trend in the organization lately. We get two new pitchers one who's coming off a major surgery. The other has the adjustment to NY story to worry about. I just hope they pitch.

I was never much of a Gordon fan, some I'm devestated about Farnsworth takin over for him.
Plus I think he'll turn out to be much better in a set up role rather than as a closer.


Modified by beng at 2:27 PM 3-1-2006

[Methalius]

Quote, originally posted by beng »

I was never much of a Gordon fan, some I'm devestated about Farnsworth takin over for him. Plus I think he'll turn out to be much better in a set up role rather than as a closer.

Who, what?

[StarvinMarvin]

is Proctor still around?

[beng]

Quote, originally posted by Methalius »

Who, what?

Tom Gordon = moved on

Farnsworth = New set up guy taking over for Gordon...used to be a closer...and I think he'll be better as a set up man.

edit to add, Proctor? I think so...G60?

[g60rabbit]

Quote, originally posted by ed rooney »

How 1 and done Myers is going to save the pen in the regular season is beyond me....You have to bring in another pitcher if a Righty is coming up....If you have to get a lefty and need 1 out Myers might be your guy....

I didn't say Myers would you did. I said Villone and Myers would. Combine they both pitched about 100 innings last year. Lefties hit .222 and .158 against them respectively .

All last year and for a couple years now the Yankees didn't have anyone in the pen to get lefties out, which extended innings for the guys that were in the bullpen. Sure it is a batter here and a batter there but it all adds up.

As for Proctor he is still with the Yankees.

[StarvinMarvin]

4 hours till game time

[beng]

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4 hours till game time

Who's the first opponent?

[g60rabbit]

Phillies.

[StarvinMarvin]

any idea who's pitching?

[g60rabbit]

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any idea who's pitching?

"Ready for action: The Yankees kick off their Grapefruit League schedule on Thursday, hosting the Phillies at Legends Field.

Shawn Chacon will get the start for New York, with Aaron Small and Mike Myers also scheduled to pitch in the contest.

Torre announced his starting lineup for the opener, which will include Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Johnny Damon. Those three players will depart for Arizona immediately following the game, where they will join Team USA for the World Baseball Classic.

Bernie Williams will also start, then head to Port St. Lucie, where he will report to Puerto Rico's camp.

Damon and Jeter will top the lineup, followed by Gary Sheffield (who will DH), A-Rod, Jason Giambi, Williams (who will play right field), Jorge Posada, Robinson Cano and Bubba Crosby. "

[beng]

Not televised though, right?

[g60rabbit]

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Not televised though, right?

I will now be charging 25 cents per question

and No it is not on TV but I think you can watch it on MLB.com if you buy their baseball package.

[beng]

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I will now be charging 25 cents per question and No it is not on TV but I think you can watch it on MLB.com if you buy their baseball package.

I'm gettin that this year...assuming it'll work through the firewall here.

[StarvinMarvin]

Yes Network is definately airing the game. I'm catching the encore at 7 tonight.

http://www.yesnetwork.com/network/tvschedule.asp

[g60rabbit]

Damons Yankee preseason debut was a line drive double

[StarvinMarvin]

[beng]

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Yes Network is definately airing the game. I'm catching the encore at 7 tonight. http://www.yesnetwork.com/network/tvschedule.asp

I am so psyched for 7:00PM now.

[StarvinMarvin]

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I am so psyched for 7:00PM now.

[Vision33r]

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Is this you talking or Mike and the Mad dog?? The Yankee rotation is already better with full seasons of Chacon and Wang.

Chacon is just an avg 12-10 pitcher at best, the American league didn't get a good look at him since they figure he might carry over the bad record from the Rockies.

Wang, not over-powering, probably young Glavine but can't paint the corners, atleast 2 yrs short of stardom, hopefully he don't turn out like Bruce Chen.

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Pavano was hurt last year, I will give him another year until I say he is no good.

Gimme a break, Pavano was never a good picture. He was a avg pitcher with great run support from the Marlins. He's gonna put in 130 innings at best and giving up 30+ homers.

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Hurt once, hit in the neck with a bat the 2nd time. He only pitched in 13 games. Oh and he had 2 quality starts

Bad luck Jaret, historically this kid has been on/off, 1 good yr followed by 3 bad years.

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So between he and Pavano they had 30 starts and went 9-11. Aroon Small probably won't go 10-0 but I think we well see more then 30 starts and 9 wins from Pavano and Wright.

I'm betting Pavano go no more than 7-8 with 20 starts, lots of blown leads. Jaret when healthy is just another avg pitcher, nothing over-powering, I'm expecting he goes 6-5 at best before getting hurt..

Too much baggage those two.

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He was also 5th in the league in innings pitched, 2nd in the league in strikeouts, had a 3.78 ERA, was 5-0 against the Sox. He was also 8-2 in the 2nd half. All in his first year adjusting to NY.

Another yr for Randy, it can't get any better, he ain't Clemens. Each yr goes by, each yr he gets worst. He still has an anger problem and batters get the best of him when he is angry.

C'mon man, 3.78 is worst than Tom Glavine. Randy needs to get it down to 3.40 and 250k+

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In the most recent history in 04 he left both games he pitched against the Red Sox with the lead, and last year he came back from injury and went 1 and 1. In 03 he came into the ALCS with runners on 1 and 3 no out and shut down the Sox. I trust him.

Bottom Teams like KC, Tampa own the Yanks last year including Randy.

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after 06 Moose is a FA, The Yankees have a team option on Wright, and Chacon is a FA.

yanks need a sophmore talent like Josh Beckette. Wright is damaged good, Chacon is your 3rd or 4th starter.

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The Yankees have enough pitching to win this year.

I don't think so.. you can never say you have enough pitching.. the 96' - 00' winning teams lack power but plenty of pitching.

[ed rooney]

You guys watch Grapefruit games ??? A good dump followed by a nap is more exciting

[g60rabbit]

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Chacon is just an avg 12-10 pitcher at best, the American league didn't get a good look at him since they figure he might carry over the bad record from the Rockies.

That makes no sense but lets move on.

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Wang, not over-powering, probably young Glavine but can't paint the corners, atleast 2 yrs short of stardom, hopefully he don't turn out like Bruce Chen.

Yea a mid 90s sinker is terrible

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Gimme a break, Pavano was never a good picture. He was a avg pitcher with great run support from the Marlins. He's gonna put in 130 innings at best and giving up 30+ homers.

A good "picture" no but a good "pitcher" yes . In 2004 when he went 18-8 with a 3.00 ERA the Marlins were 11th in the NL in run scoring, but thanks for the prediction

PS he will get better run support on the Yankees.

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Another yr for Randy, it can't get any better, he ain't Clemens.

Umm ok

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Each yr goes by, each yr he gets worst.

False

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C'mon man, 3.78 is worst than Tom Glavine. Randy needs to get it down to 3.40 and 250k+

Second mention of Glavine , so your just a guy who hates the Yankees ?? Met fan?? I am not sure if you are aware of this but pitching in the AL is harder then the NL. And pitching in the AL East is certainly harder then the NL East.

So what you are saying is for RJ to be good he needs to shave .38 off hi ERA and get atleast 40 more K's? I think that won' be such a hard task in his 2nd year in the Bronx.

You are right though Clemens and RJ arent the same guy.

Clemens first year in NY age 36

163k's 4.60 ERA

RJ first year in pinstripes age 41?

211k's 3.78 ERA

In 5 years with the Yankees Clemens only had 1 year better then Randys first year. When did Clemens get reborn?? When he moved back to the NL

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yanks need a sophmore talent like Josh Beckette.

Why, if he was with the Yankees you would be talking about his shoulder and blister issues any way.

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I don't think so.. you can never say you have enough pitching..

Theoretically yes you can say that about any team, but I think with the offence we have we have enough pitching to get us where we want to be.


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[Vision33r]

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Yea a mid 90s sinker is terrible

Having a mid 90s sinker doesn't mean he has great control. Wang is a good rookie, like I said 2yrs from stardom unless the yanks burn him out.

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In 2004 when he went 18-8 with a 3.00 ERA the Marlins were 11th in the NL in run scoring, but thanks for the prediction

What does that have anything to do with run support, while the Yanks were the top teams in the AL in run scoring, Randy & Mussina has had poor run support behind them.

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Second mention of Glavine , so your just a guy who hates the Yankees ?? Met fan?? I am not sure if you are aware of this but pitching in the AL is harder then the NL. And pitching in the AL East is certainly harder then the NL East.

Glavine is past his prime, I used him as an example, he has not been great at all but he still managed a decent 2005 season.

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So what you are saying is for RJ to be good he needs to shave .38 off hi ERA and get atleast 40 more K's? I think that won' be such a hard task in his 2nd year in the Bronx.

What kind of baseball fan are you? If you follow baseball at all, having a lot of Ks does not assure you of getting wins, as Randy was frustrated with consistently losing at Arizona even though he has had double digit Ks start after start.

Problem with RJ is that you can get to him when he loses his cool and he has given up lots of game winning HRs simply because he didn't get the call he wanted or others.

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Clemens first year in NY age 36 163k's 4.60 ERA RJ first year in pinstripes age 41? 211k's 3.78 ERA

Horrible example, that was one of the worst year for Clemens in pinstripes, he had problems with his velocity. I guess a little juicing helped..

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In 5 years with the Yankees Clemens only had 1 year better then Randys first year. When did Clemens get reborn?? When he moved back to the NL

Just like Barry, he's bulked up a lot with age..

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Theoretically yes you can say that about any team, but I think with the offence we have we have enough pitching to get us where we want to be.

Seriously, this is the same exact team as 2005 pretty much, not enhanced at all. If we were to expect a post-season run, they gotta unload and get some reliable arms.

My predictions:

Mussina - play hurt, may get injured again

Pavano - He'll have a 4.00+ ERA when he gets back, unless we see some serious velocity

RJ - He'll make some adjustments but whenever a star like him put on pinstripes, the media gets to him and he will be streaky.

Wang - May go 7-4 if he doesn't get hurt too much, Yanks shouldn't burn him out like they did with Al Leiter's rookie year.

Chacon - He has something to prove so, he can go 15-10.

I'm not convinced with Kyle Farnsworth, he never was a reliable closer, Chicago had used him several times to close but not consistent. He is your setup man if he doesn't get hurt, he has really nasty stuff.