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      04-14-2012 04:07 PM #31046
      Some silver lining, I love watching Phelps. Let's hope that continues...
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      04-15-2012 06:55 AM #31047
      Of the 3 arms of the future that were "cant miss" ... Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy... Looks like the front office was way off on who really had the most potential

      Edit to add... Totally agree on Phelps. ... Any chance the stretch this kid out for a rotation bid?
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      04-15-2012 07:54 AM #31048
      Pitching prospects are incredibly volatile, and Joba was mismanaged to boot.
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      04-15-2012 08:11 PM #31049
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      Pitching prospects are incredibly volatile, and Joba was mismanaged to boot.
      This..And Hughes might look a lot better pitcher for Arizona as well.

      18-8 with a 4.20 era in the AL East isnt that far off then 20 wins in the NL west

      I give Hughes 3ish more starts. If he isnt significantly better. Hello Andy.

      Hughes is just a real weird dude. Where he can have a game where he K's a crap load of guys but also gives up a crap load of runs. Where he jumos out on everyone 0-2. The before you know it 3-2.

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      04-15-2012 08:53 PM #31050
      Hughes stinks... His 18 win season was an outlier
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      04-15-2012 09:02 PM #31051
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Hughes stinks... His 18 win season was an outlier
      The Yankees traded Kennedy with 14 or so starts and a 7ish era.

      His first year in Arizon he was 9-10 with an era close to 4.

      Then he had 20 wins.

      So like Hughes he has sucked for all but a year. I still dont see any eviden that suggest keeping Kenned over Hughes would have made a difference at this point.

      Kennedy plays in 4AAA Hughes plays with the big boys. With 1 good year under their belts and the rest pretty much crap they both stink. I still keep Hughes over Kennedy because of Hughes dominance in the Pen.

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      04-16-2012 08:32 AM #31052
      Did I hear right? Nova hasnt lost a game since last June?

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      04-16-2012 08:47 AM #31053
      Quote Originally Posted by g60rabbit View Post
      Did I hear right? Nova hasnt lost a game since last June?
      That is correct. 14-game win streak.

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      04-16-2012 09:28 AM #31054
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Of the 3 arms of the future that were "cant miss" ... Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy... Looks like the front office was way off on who really had the most potential
      how did that one pitcher with the most potential do in the AL East? and hows our MVP caliber CF working out?

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      04-16-2012 09:30 AM #31055
      Thats nuts.

      On a side note I heart Bobby V questioning Youkilis heart. That is just fantastic stuff for the media. Thanks Bobby

      Pedrioa on Bobby Vs comments "maybe thats how they do things in Japan, but thats not how we do it hear"

      Just fantastic

      Its still April

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      04-16-2012 10:41 AM #31056
      Quote Originally Posted by rlsib16 View Post
      how did that one pitcher with the most potential do in the AL East? and hows our MVP caliber CF working out?
      Sometimes I think you may actually *be* Brian Cashman.

      I have no idea what Ian Kennedy's AL East stats are. I do know that of the three he has the most impressive body of work to date.

      If you have three cant miss arms... you can use any one of them to bring in an MVP caliber CF. That deal would have been done with Hughes in it too.

      I'm commenting on what appears to be a series of mistakes the Yanks have made when it comes to young pitching. Part of it is poor development (joba)... part of it is poor talent assessment (Hughes)... and part of it poor selection of trade chips (Kennedy... or Clippard...or Melancon... or *maybe* Jesus... etc). Every organization is entitled to missteps but that Yanks have been particularly bad at developing young pitchers.
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      04-16-2012 01:18 PM #31057
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Sometimes I think you may actually *be* Brian Cashman.

      I have no idea what Ian Kennedy's AL East stats are. I do know that of the three he has the most impressive body of work to date.

      If you have three cant miss arms... you can use any one of them to bring in an MVP caliber CF. That deal would have been done with Hughes in it too.
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      If Kennedy were still on the team you would be making this same complaint except saying they should have kept Hughes.

      If you have no idea what Kennedy stats are you are kinda making a half arsed argument no?

      Kennedy in 14 games with the Yankees roughly an 8 era. Made it to the 6th inning 1 time in 2008.


      Again Kennedys best season in maybe the worst hitting division in baseball 21-4 with a roughly 3 ERA.


      Hughes best season in the best hitting division in baseball 18-8 with a near 4 era.


      Kennedys other year in the worst hitting division in baseball 9-10 near 4 era.

      Bottom line. Kennedy was great in an awfull division 1 year. Hughes was ok in the best division in baseball 1 year. Hughes was also better then Joba his 1 year in relief.

      I guess I just dont see your argument. their is no evidence to suggest Kennedy would be just as good in the AL East and that Hughes wouldnt be much better in the NL west.

      But again I still take Hughes. He can ramp it up in the pen. Kennedys 90 mph fb and 85 mph change wont get him as many K's in the AL.

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      04-16-2012 01:22 PM #31058
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      I'm commenting on what appears to be a series of mistakes the Yanks have made when it comes to young pitching. Part of it is poor development (joba)... part of it is poor talent assessment (Hughes)... and part of it poor selection of trade chips (Kennedy... or Clippard...or Melancon... or *maybe* Jesus... etc). Every organization is entitled to missteps but that Yanks have been particularly bad at developing young pitchers.
      Sorry meant to comment on this.

      Who has been really good at this? Isnt it kind of hard when youre in the playoffs just about every year.

      Do the Red Sox do this well? Philly?

      Will Tampa be able to maintain this if they startgetting worse draft picks?

      2 of their starts were number 1s OVERALL. When was the last time the Yankees got a number 1 overall pick.

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      04-16-2012 01:49 PM #31059
      Quote Originally Posted by g60rabbit View Post
      On a side note I heart Bobby V questioning Youkilis heart. That is just fantastic stuff for the media. Thanks Bobby

      Pedrioa on Bobby Vs comments "maybe thats how they do things in Japan, but thats not how we do it hear"

      Just fantastic

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      04-16-2012 01:55 PM #31060
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Sometimes I think you may actually *be* Brian Cashman.

      I have no idea what Ian Kennedy's AL East stats are. I do know that of the three he has the most impressive body of work to date.

      If you have three cant miss arms... you can use any one of them to bring in an MVP caliber CF. That deal would have been done with Hughes in it too.

      I'm commenting on what appears to be a series of mistakes the Yanks have made when it comes to young pitching. Part of it is poor development (joba)... part of it is poor talent assessment (Hughes)... and part of it poor selection of trade chips (Kennedy... or Clippard...or Melancon... or *maybe* Jesus... etc). Every organization is entitled to missteps but that Yanks have been particularly bad at developing young pitchers.

      Of all the people that have come, gone, or are still here.....my only comments are:

      1) Poor handling of the young arms (Joba Rules, constant switching between rotation and pen)
      2) Not keeping Clippard

      I'm OK with the Jesus move......I think Pineda will be fine and a solid #2 (now) with #1 stuff (within a few years).

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    16. 04-16-2012 02:31 PM #31061
      A bit late here but Ibanez homerun.....WOW

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      04-16-2012 02:59 PM #31062
      cmon, dont bring up Tyler Clippard and Mark Melancon as young arms the Yankees made bad trades with. middle relief arms are the exact young pitchers you trade when given the chance, especially a team like the Yankees who are usually trying to plug pieces midseason. you don't know if they'll turn into a solid arm like Clippard (way too early for Melancon to be put in the same class) or turn into Tyler Clippard, Ross Olendorf, Jeff Karstens, etc but you can take the risk because bullpen arms are not hard to find.

      and obviously Hughes and Joba havent turned out like expected, it happens for a variety of reasons. but Kennedy's outlier of a season shouldn't make the struggle of the other two look worse because who knows how the coaches in Arizona helped him.

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      04-17-2012 09:44 AM #31063
      Quote Originally Posted by rlsib16 View Post
      cmon, dont bring up Tyler Clippard and Mark Melancon as young arms the Yankees made bad trades with. middle relief arms are the exact young pitchers you trade when given the chance, especially a team like the Yankees who are usually trying to plug pieces midseason. you don't know if they'll turn into a solid arm like Clippard (way too early for Melancon to be put in the same class) or turn into Tyler Clippard, Ross Olendorf, Jeff Karstens, etc but you can take the risk because bullpen arms are not hard to find.

      and obviously Hughes and Joba havent turned out like expected, it happens for a variety of reasons. but Kennedy's outlier of a season shouldn't make the struggle of the other two look worse because who knows how the coaches in Arizona helped him.
      And Nova far better then expected. The majority on this forum were calling for him daily to get sent down to the minors last year and now the guy hasnt lost a game since June and I think he has lost maybe 1 game ever where he had a lead or some silly thing like that?

      Kennedy hasnt show anything more then Phil has.

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      04-18-2012 09:24 AM #31064
      Last night's game notes from ESPN.....good, bad, and weird.

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      The Yankees will wear replicas of their 1912 uniforms on Friday in Boston for the 100th anniversary of the opening of Fenway Park. The team says this is the first time it will use throwback uniforms. ... Mark Teixeira was scratched with flulike symptoms. Nick Swisher, who had been slated to be the Yankees' DH, was at 1B. Jeter moved to DH and Nunez was at SS. ... Yankees LHP Andy Pettitte will throw about 65 pitches Friday for Class A Tampa at Daytona. RHP Michael Pineda (sore shoulder) will throw at least one more bullpen session before he's ready for a rehab outing. ... A woman in a wedding gown and a man in formal wear were sitting in the Legends Suite seats, apparently newlyweds.

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      04-18-2012 09:46 AM #31065
      you see the throwback jerseys? pretty cool. the hats are dope.

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      04-18-2012 11:09 AM #31066
      Quote Originally Posted by rlsib16 View Post
      cmon, dont bring up Tyler Clippard and Mark Melancon as young arms the Yankees made bad trades with..
      I hope nobody uses him as an example of a bad move made by the Yankees.

      I loled when I heard someone say he would get more saves going from the Astros to the Sox because he would have more save chances. He also has more chances to suck.

      Its early but his era is near 50 and of the 10 hits he has allowed 5 have been homers

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      04-19-2012 08:47 AM #31067
      After watching Colon throw another 8 innings of shut out ball it made me relise something. 12 or so games into the seasons what do the Yankees have...like 3 quality starts?

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      04-19-2012 09:26 AM #31068
      Quote Originally Posted by g60rabbit View Post
      After watching Colon throw another 8 innings of shut out ball it made me relise something. 12 or so games into the seasons what do the Yankees have...like 3 quality starts?
      he threw 38 consecutive strikes last night! to 13 batters in a row! thats just ridiculous.


      /waits for "we should've resigned him and sent Hughes to the minors and not traded for Pineda and not signed Kuroda"

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      04-19-2012 09:28 AM #31069
      Quote Originally Posted by rlsib16 View Post
      he threw 38 consecutive strikes last night! to 13 batters in a row! thats just ridiculous.


      /waits for "we should've resigned him and sent Hughes to the minors and not traded for Pineda and not signed Kuroda"
      haha.

      I did want Colon over Garcia.

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      04-19-2012 09:49 PM #31070
      Hughes continues to make you guys look like you're wrong about the yankees assessments of young pitching
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      04-20-2012 08:33 AM #31071
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Hughes continues to make you guys look like you're wrong about the yankees assessments of young pitching
      Its not their assessment I am worried about. Its their development.

      But 5.1 innings with giving up 2 earned runs I can live with.

      He had one very bad inning but the fielders need to be able to make routine plays behind him.

      Its early in the season but the ball always seems to find Nunez in the first inning so he can make an error and not let his pitcher get in rythm.

      Edit to add.

      Granderson sets a record in the new stadium with 3 homers. And Jeter ties Winfield with hits. Good day in baseball!!

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      04-20-2012 03:15 PM #31072
      Waiting for the game to start

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      04-20-2012 06:42 PM #31073
      Supernova!

      Loved the throwback uniforms

      Where do you guys think Jeter finishes on the all-time hit list?
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      04-20-2012 09:15 PM #31074
      Yeah I even said to the wife the Yankees had the cooler uniforms, we looked like the old time Ice cream men.

      Then I said how come we can't get wind aided Hrs, she said cause we can't even make contact...Thats my girl

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      04-20-2012 11:26 PM #31075
      Quote Originally Posted by ed rooney View Post

      Then I said how come we can't get wind aided Hrs, t:



      Good game all-round by the yankees. Not feeling so great about Garcia. Hope he finds some of that 2011 magic.

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      04-20-2012 11:30 PM #31076
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Supernova!

      Loved the throwback uniforms

      Where do you guys think Jeter finishes on the all-time hit list?
      I think if he gets a minimum of like 125 hits a year through his current contract he ends up with like 3500 hits which is good for I think 5th best all time?

      After returning from his injury last year I think he is hitting like 330?

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      04-21-2012 07:16 PM #31077
      Nick "****in" Swisher

      ...and Jeter continues to prove that he's one of the best baserunners in the game
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      04-21-2012 07:42 PM #31078
      How do we let a chump like Swisher beat us,

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      04-21-2012 09:18 PM #31079
      Quote Originally Posted by ed rooney View Post
      How do we let a chump like Swisher beat us,
      Chumps like swisher lol. He would be one of the best players let alone the best outfielders on your team. It was nice, my wife and I went out to a couple of bars that friends work at to see the bruins lose in the final minute and the sox completly choke in a new England bar was pretty nice.
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