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      04-22-2012 11:16 AM #31081
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      04-23-2012 10:02 AM #31082
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      How do we let a chump like Swisher beat us,
      No, no.....Ed....this is SWISHER, not DREW......you must have confused the two.....

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      04-23-2012 11:25 AM #31083
      Quote Originally Posted by GS Audio View Post
      No, no.....Ed....this is SWISHER, not DREW......you must have confused the two.....
      Yea Swisher the guy who leads the AL in RBI...Not Drew the guy who lead the league in DL apperances

      Is Sabathia starting tonight.

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    4. 04-24-2012 10:32 PM #31084
      Daaaaaaaaaaamn Darvish is on a mission tonight!
      Let's Go Jets/Mets/Nets

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      04-25-2012 10:34 AM #31085
      I watched 2 half innings.

      I watched the Yankees load the bases with no outs and scored no runs. I watched Granderson strike out looking on a curve that ended up in the right handers batting box [ I also watched Arod take a couple fast balls down the heart of the plate for balls..so way to go ump].

      Then I saw man on 2nd no outs and the Yankees couldnt do as much as move the runner over.

      3 things on Yu.

      1- Get a hair cut, that hat can barely stay on your head. It actually blew off twice.
      2- he is full on prima donna out there in terms of the faces he makes if he doesnt get a call
      3- he looked pretty damn good

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      04-25-2012 10:46 AM #31086
      umps zone was all over the place for awhile, biggest impact was on the Granderson call which you saw. but Yu was pounding the zone. 82 of 119 pitches for strikes with the variety of pitches he was throwing is nuts. everything was working for him and he is definitely a dangerous pitcher when that happens.

      and great game by Kuroda too. two mistakes in the HR to Kinsler then walking Andrus after being up 0-2 in the count and him coming around to score. must have been great to see as a fan in Japan especially since both pitchers did a great job of holding down the 2 best offenses in baseball.

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      04-25-2012 12:47 PM #31087
      Well played game. Maybe even a preview of what may come in the fall. Darvish does have a lot of pitches. ....Jeter... man... he's playing like he's possessed. It stinks to lose, but I was pretty happy to see Kuroda pitch a game like that.
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      04-25-2012 02:20 PM #31088
      I blame Kei Igawa. Had he not been such a bust, Yanks prob would have taken a chance on Yu.

      In other news...ESPN jinxed James McDonald just now......they posted a link to the live Gamecast since he had a no hitter going into the seventh. I click the link and bam....Tulo gets a hit.

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      04-25-2012 05:21 PM #31089
      Quote Originally Posted by g60rabbit View Post
      1- Get a hair cut, that hat can barely stay on your head. It actually blew off twice.
      2- he is full on prima donna out there in terms of the faces he makes if he doesnt get a call
      3- he looked pretty damn good
      The guy is a rock star in Japan. On the scale bigger than Jeter over there. Daisuke actually has better stuff but he is shorter. When Darvish throws he's like Randy Johnson, he has such a stride that makes picking up his Fastball harder.

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      04-25-2012 05:54 PM #31090
      Pineda ...torn labrum in his pitching shoulder. The Montero deal just went bust.
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      04-25-2012 07:10 PM #31091
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Pineda ...torn labrum in his pitching shoulder. The Montero deal just went bust.
      you do realize he's under contract for like 5 more years and Campos is tearing up A ball right? and that Montero and Noesi are actually having a negative impact on the Mariners so far this year?

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      04-25-2012 08:52 PM #31092
      You realize they didnt do this deal for Campos and I could give a **** about Noesi? The chances they become legit Impact players is slim to none. They did this deal so they could add a young ACE. Id have been much happier to hear that he was having Tommy John... Shoulder surgery... At his age? Doesnt end well. This is the next Jay Buhner deal. If Montero plays in the league as a mediocre catcher/DH for the rest his career the Ms still get the better of this deal. Pinedas odds are worse than 50-50

      "A study in 2008 examined the success rates of SLAP repairs in over 40 Major League Pitchers. In considering statistics such as earned-run-average (ERA), innings pitched (IP), and walks and hits per inning pitched (WHIP), the group showed a postoperative decline in pitching performance in comparison to their pre-injury levels. Of the 42 pitchers, 69% returned to the Major Leagues for one year, but only 29% lasted for up to three years. In terms of statistics, most showed no difference in ERA or WHIP but there was a sharp decrease in IP throughout the group (Cerynik, 2008).
      A similar study in 2010 examined the performance of 23 elite overhead athletes at three years postoperative of a SLAP repair. Of the 23, 13 (57%) had returned to their previous levels of performance without pain. In addition, six were playing with pain and four were not playing because of pain (Neri, 2010)."

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    13. 04-26-2012 09:19 AM #31093
      With Huges having another poor outing the Yankees may need to pick up another starting pitcher!
      As crazy as that sounds but its the truth! Do they give Phelps a turn in the rotation?

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      04-26-2012 09:26 AM #31094
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Pineda ...torn labrum in his pitching shoulder. The Montero deal just went bust.
      Overreact much

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      04-26-2012 09:28 AM #31095
      it doesnt sound like its a full SLAP tear and theres no damage to his rotator cuff. significant injury for sure but lets not act like hes getting right arm amputated. pitchers have come back from shoulder injuries and prospered after so its not an immediate write off for his career.

      and if you only look at the trade in the way you want to, of course your conclusions are always going to be right and in the manner you see them. Campos and Noesi are parts of the trades that cant be written off. the Mariners got 2 players who are currently worse than replacement players and the Yankees got two as well. one who is injured and one who in a year will be a top 3 prospect for the team.

      i never understand the fascination with Yankee fans trying to write off every trade as a loss for them in the quickest time period possible. happened with the Granderson trade, the Vasquez trade(s), etc. trades arent something you form a concrete opinion about instantly, these players are young and at the start of their careers, theres a long way to go.

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      04-26-2012 09:31 AM #31096
      Quote Originally Posted by monster20v View Post
      With Huges having another poor outing the Yankees may need to pick up another starting pitcher!
      As crazy as that sounds but its the truth! Do they give Phelps a turn in the rotation?
      one of Hughes or Garcia is going to have to turn it around and im more confident in Garcia at this point. Pettitte is replacing one of them in a couple of weeks for sure. i think Hughes just needs to be moved to the pen and see how his stuff builds up there. he has the fastball that he had a couple of years ago, just lost any command/effectiveness with his breaking stuff. crazy to see, in my opinion at least, the short lease they had for Joba as a starter compared to Hughes.

      and no on Phelps. hes been worse than Hughes his last couple of outings. i dont think it would happen without an injury or something but i would expect Warren or Mitchell to come up from AAA.

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      04-26-2012 09:42 AM #31097
      Quote Originally Posted by rlsib16 View Post
      i never understand the fascination with Yankee fans trying to write off every trade as a loss for them in the quickest time period possible. happened with the Granderson trade, the Vasquez trade(s), etc. trades arent something you form a concrete opinion about instantly, these players are young and at the start of their careers, theres a long way to go.
      Its not just trades. Its FA signings as well. If a guy performs badly in the first year of say a 4 year deal he is a bust already.

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      04-26-2012 11:05 AM #31098
      I said before the season started the Paneda deal start to look like a dud when they 1st announce he might be going DL.

      Mariners knew something we don't, not many clubs are willing to give up young top prospect pitchers specially someone who's stats was close to Felix Hernandez's rookie season.

      I wanted the Yanks to keep Montero since there's not that many catchers that can hit with power.

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      04-26-2012 11:13 AM #31099
      Im not over reacting guys. Sorry to say. Feel free to list all of the Pitchers who have come back from a torn labrum to be an ace work horse.... Which is what Pineda was expected to become. I know two..... Schilling and Carpenter

      There are dozens and dozens of others who return and have decent careers (many of those go to a bullpen role ...like Mike Adams)... But having this surgery and bouncing back to be a 200 inning 1/2 pitcher? Odds are really low.

      ... And don't tell me I havent given the trade enough time.... When you're contradicting yourself and referencing the mediocre play of Montero and Noesi as your counter point.

      Theyll try to keep in the rotation... But the odds are much better that he ends up a middle reliever now... We'll give it a few years and see who's right.
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      04-26-2012 11:33 AM #31100
      Quote Originally Posted by Vision33r View Post
      Mariners knew something we don't, not many clubs are willing to give up young top prospect pitchers specially someone who's stats was close to Felix Hernandez's rookie season.

      I wanted the Yanks to keep Montero since there's not that many catchers that can hit with power.
      they've been at the bottom of the AL for offense for how many years now? they addressed a need on their club with an area of excess in theirs. they have 3 prospects who will all be ready to come up by mid to end of next season. they could afford to lose Pineda. and Montero was never catching for the Yankees so that point is mute. and the Yankees actually have another catcher in the minors who has more power than Montero. too early to depend on him but they're around.

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      Im not over reacting guys. Sorry to say. Feel free to list all of the Pitchers who have come back from a torn labrum to be an ace work horse.... Which is what Pineda was expected to become. I know two..... Schilling and Carpenter

      There are dozens and dozens of others who return and have decent careers (many of those go to a bullpen role ...like Mike Adams)... But having this surgery and bouncing back to be a 200 inning 1/2 pitcher? Odds are really low.

      ... And don't tell me I havent given the trade enough time.... When you're contradicting yourself and referencing the mediocre play of Montero and Noesi as your counter point.

      Theyll try to keep in the rotation... But the odds are much better that he ends up a middle reliever now... We'll give it a few years and see who's right.
      the Noesi and Montero reference was to show that its ridiculous to write this trade off for the Yankees when the two of them have contributed less to the Mariners than Pineda has to the Yankees. you're pretty set in the mindset that Pineda will be handling mop up duty for the next 4 years so put a big L next to this trade.

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      04-26-2012 11:44 AM #31101
      Just looking to history to predict the future outcome here. Pineda *might* end up being Curt Schilling.... But it is more likely he'll be Mike Adams.
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      04-26-2012 12:54 PM #31102
      Quote Originally Posted by beng View Post
      Just looking to history to predict the future outcome here. Pineda *might* end up being Curt Schilling.... But it is more likely he'll be Mike Adams.
      And Montero might by Mike Piazza or he might be an average DH.

      Which is why a month into the season you cant call 2 guys who are locked up until 2018 a bust or success right now.

      Going by past history of what pitchers have recovered from doesnt really matter as the medical field changes every day.

      Point in case. Bartolo Colon is an ace again. At 80lbs over weight and 16 years or so older.

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      04-26-2012 12:59 PM #31103
      Quote Originally Posted by Vision33r View Post
      I wanted the Yanks to keep Montero since there's not that many catchers that can hit with power.
      Montero isnt a catcher though.

      I am not sure I have ever seen a team use a defensive replancement at the catcher position late in the game like the Yankees did with Montero last year.

      Montero doesnt start at catcher in Seattle over their current catcher who is batting about 150 with a 170 OBP and 0 homers.

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      04-26-2012 01:49 PM #31104
      lets not forget that Montero wasnt catching for the Yankees as long as Girardi was the manager. they called up Romine last year after his season was done to catch instead of Montero who was already with the team. that says everything about what the Yankees thought of him behind the plate.

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      04-26-2012 09:27 PM #31105
      "NEW YORK -- Nearly two decades after suffering a similar injury to his throwing shoulder, Curt Schilling said he thinks Yankees starter Michael Pineda could return from surgery in less than a year -- and that Pineda might be even better.


      "He can be back better than he has ever been in 10 months," said Schilling, now an ESPN baseball analyst. "Maybe less, because he is younger. It is going to be 100 percent on him."


      In other words..lets not jump of a bridge.

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      04-27-2012 12:23 PM #31106
      so yea the Yankees don't have to worry about Delmon Young killing them like he did in the ALDS last year this weekend.

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      04-27-2012 08:29 PM #31107
      Quote Originally Posted by g60rabbit View Post
      Montero isnt a catcher though.

      I am not sure I have ever seen a team use a defensive replancement at the catcher position late in the game like the Yankees did with Montero last year.

      Montero doesnt start at catcher in Seattle over their current catcher who is batting about 150 with a 170 OBP and 0 homers.
      Posada also came up not being a great defensive catcher. Clemens always opposed to having Posada catch him. Montero has good pop and the Yanks didn't even give the I'd enough time catching before shipping him off.

      Paneda was a bust because towards the end of last season his fastball already dipped by 8-10mph as some scouts noticed he put on 30lbs. He's not CC.

      I'm pretty certain Montero will have a longer and better career.

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      04-27-2012 08:32 PM #31108
      Quote Originally Posted by g60rabbit View Post
      "NEW YORK -- Nearly two decades after suffering a similar injury to his throwing shoulder, Curt Schilling said he thinks Yankees starter Michael Pineda could return from surgery in less than a year -- and that Pineda might be even better.


      "He can be back better than he has ever been in 10 months," said Schilling, now an ESPN baseball analyst. "Maybe less, because he is younger. It is going to be 100 percent on him."
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      04-27-2012 10:28 PM #31109
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      04-28-2012 08:58 AM #31110
      Quote Originally Posted by Vision33r View Post
      Posada also came up not being a great defensive catcher. Clemens always opposed to having Posada catch him. Montero has good pop and the Yanks didn't even give the I'd enough time catching before shipping him off.

      Paneda was a bust because towards the end of last season his fastball already dipped by 8-10mph as some scouts noticed he put on 30lbs. He's not CC.

      I'm pretty certain Montero will have a longer and better career.
      Well saying he will have a longer career isnt a stretch. A DH will almost always have a longer career then a pitcher.

      Posada was a bad catcher. Montero weighs 45 more lbs then Posada. He is far less athletic.

      The Yankees needed a pitcher not a catcher [they are real deep at that position in the minors] and they had no room at DH.

      "Paneda was a bust" is just a silly comment 2 months into a 6 year deal.

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      04-30-2012 09:39 AM #31111
      Quote Originally Posted by Vision33r View Post
      Say hello to Curt's friend HgH.

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      04-30-2012 09:49 AM #31112
      Quote Originally Posted by Vision33r View Post
      Posada also came up not being a great defensive catcher. Clemens always opposed to having Posada catch him. Montero has good pop and the Yanks didn't even give the I'd enough time catching before shipping him off.

      Paneda was a bust because towards the end of last season his fastball already dipped by 8-10mph as some scouts noticed he put on 30lbs. He's not CC.

      I'm pretty certain Montero will have a longer and better career.
      Posada wasnt a great defensive catcher coming up, wasnt even a good one. thats why he got off to a later start in his career, because he wasnt trusted by Torre. and he continued to be a below average defensive catcher, his hitting definitely made up for it.

      Montero only caught in the minors, his only position. i think that was enough time to figure out what he could do back there. Montero is also bigger and less athletic behind the plate and hes probably going to grow into his body more as he gets older. his bat may carry him like Posada's did, but its too early to say that is going to happen.

      Pineda's average first half FB last year: 94.5 mph
      Pineda's average second half FB last year: 94.2 mph

      this is a graph of his FB velocities last year. i only see one drop and that was in his last start where he pitched on a longer rest than normal. could it have been injury related? maybe. could it have been a kid getting tired and knowing it was his last start? maybe. we wont know. but his FB velocity, nor his periphial stats changed much from the first to second half.


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      04-30-2012 09:55 PM #31113
      There seems to be 2 kinds of posters here lol.

      The wait and see, and they snap [negative] judgements on small sample sizes.

      Nova was one. Pineda after 2 months is another.

      But another was Robertson.

      I thought the guy had potential and was told time and time again he would be nothing bit a 3rd or 4the reliver on this team.

      He was the only relief pitcher with 100k's last year, far better then a guy like Bard who was by many supposed to be a great closer in Boston.

      In the last 2 years he has thrown 77 innings and has 188ks with a roughly 1 whip and 1 ERA.

      His K rate the last 2 years 13.50....12.10... for his career

      Just turned 27 a couple weeks ago.

      Possible closer?

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      05-01-2012 09:16 AM #31114
      hes done a better job at cutting down his walks early this season. thats about the only thing that would hold him back from being a legit closer.

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      and good news everybody, Kuroda's start last night dropped the Yankees starters ERA to under 6 for the month of April

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      05-01-2012 10:53 AM #31115
      Quote Originally Posted by rlsib16 View Post
      hes done a better job at cutting down his walks early this season. thats about the only thing that would hold him back from being a legit closer.
      I think aside from Mo [obviously he is the best ever] even with the walks he can be a top closer in the league [mental aspect aside because who knows]

      What I didnt relise was that as a closer Mo has only k'ed over 80 guys 1 time. That was in 2001 and he did it in 80 innings.

      And Robertson had 100 in 66 innings last year. Thats just insane. His career K rate is over 12. Mo is about an 8 or 9.

      Clearly there is more to being a closer then K's nut Robertson is locked up until 2015 for cheap money?? If Cyborg retires he will IMO be the Yankees closer next year.

      What better way to save cash then to go from a 15 mill a year closer to a 1.5 million dollar closer.

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