Results of the 1.14.2006 Dyno Day

[jessla]

We ran 17 cars on Extreme Motorsports DynaJet. 16 R32's and an HPA twin Turbo Jetta. Listed in order of runs:

yellowmenace..HPA360..(1) 279HP 261Tq
(2) 284HP 271Tq (3) 254HP 284Tq

grmpower...stock..(1)200HP 204Tq (2)203HP 204Tq (3)204HP 207Tq

acerxz..GIAC, EIP ST EX,AEM cai..(1) 218HP 225Tq (2) 221HP 225Tq (3) 224HP 227Tq

rabbitgtibbar..EIP TurboST1(6.5psi),EIP ST EX, EIP ST Clutch..(1) 282HP 284Tq (2) 284HP 278Tq (3) 295HP 276Tq

powermind..stock..(1) 202HP 208Tq (2) 204HP 203Tq (3) 206HP 210Tq

jessla..VF ST2,Neuspeed Ex..(1) 282HP 232Tq (2) 284HP 230Tq (3) 286HP 231Tq

XXXX..EIP Chip..(1)202HP 207Tq (2) 206HP 211Tq (3) 206HP 208Tq

wrvr6..VF ST 1..(1) 282HP 229Tq (2) 279HP 230Tq (3) 275HP 228Tq

powermind..HPA400..(1)354HP 335Tq (2) 334HP 334Tq (3) 324HP 328Tq

vasteve..stock..(1) 202HP 203Tq (2) 208HP 205Tq (3) 205HP 211Tq

rich@eip..EIP ST 1(9psi)..(1) 347HP 318Tq (2) 343HP 319Tq (3) 326HP 312Tq*

rich@eip..EIP ST 4 (26psi)..(1)504HP noTq (2) 572HP 526Tq (3) 568HP 526Tq (3) 566HP 538Tq (4) 581HP 531Tq *

dqr32..APR 93, intake..(1) 217HP 232Tq (2) 220HP 222Tq (3) 219HP 221Tq

avi..HPA Twin Turbo..(1) 399HP 427Tq (2) 385HP 391Tq

luis..Giac100,Full Milltek,268/264 cams..(1) 231HP 220Tq (2) 231HP 224Tq (3) 229HP 228Tq

95glx..CAI,GIAC100?,268/264 cams..(1) 227HP 223Tq (2) 227HP 228Tq (3) 228HP 236Tq

avi..HPA TwinTurbo Jetta..(1) 348HP 381Tq *(2) 337HP 349Tq *(3) 312HP 348Tq*

All runs in 3rd gear except where * 4th gear.

There will be pictures and videos, as well as full graphs posted later.

Remember, results are on this dyno, on this day.

Modified by jessla at 5:17 PM 1-14-2006

Modified by jessla at 5:18 PM 1-14-2006


Modified by jessla at 5:19 PM 1-14-2006

[Mike Solo]

For those of you who want this in a more readable format / who want to make graphs, etc., out of this, I've compiled all of the information listed here by Jessla into a spreadsheet, with the data broken out by driver, mods, turbo kit, PSI where noted, and 1st-4th gear runs, split by HP and Tq.

Spreadsheet is available here (right click to save):
http://www.realfx.com/r32/DynoRuns11406.xls

Nice job guys! Sorry I missed it!

Oh, and here's a handy little graph:

Edit: Smaller picture without truncation.


Modified by Mike Solo at 3:14 PM 1-14-2006

[wihaR32TT]

Quote, originally posted by jessla »

jessla..VF ST2,Neuspeed Ex..(1) 282HP 232Tq (2) 284HP 230Tq (3) 286HP 231Tq wrvr6..VF ST 1..(1) 282HP 229Tq (2) 279HP 230Tq (3) 275HP 228Tq

Quote, originally posted by jessla »

rich@eip..EIP ST 4 (26psi)..(1)504HP noTq (2) 572HP 526Tq (3) 568HP 526Tq (3) 566HP 538Tq (4) 581HP 531Tq *

That is sick!

[Mike Solo]

Why are there two third-runs listed for the EIP Stage 4? Is the first one a bad run?

[r32mxspd]

So how was Rich's EIP stage 1 running 9psi? Was he running race gas? That is a huge difference from the other EIP stage 1.

[gizmopop]

were these AWD dyno runs or FWD?

[Mike Solo]

Quote, originally posted by gizmopop »

were these AWD dyno runs or FWD?

AWD.

[jettacabby]

great post!!!! ok, there is a turbo in my very very near future.....mmmmmm

[power_mind]

what a day...man am i beat!!!

edit: on a side note im not so sure anything of this magnatude has ever been pulled off...... to Wabbit for organizing this!!!

maybe another one this summer this time at Curry's in Sterling on their mustang AWD Dyno!!!! we could start a East Coast Dyno tour!!!

Modified by power_mind at 6:15 PM 1-14-2006

[Mike Solo]

Quote, originally posted by wihaR32TT »

I'm confused about that as well, Chris told me that bit on puzzling info on the phone. For some reason, the VF stage 1 car made nearly identical power compared to the VF stage 2, despite stage 2 having slightly higher boost and an FMIC.

[Anand@4induktion.com]

Apparently the new EIP stg1 software can run significantly more boost than the old 5-6psi stuff...

Jeremy(Rabbitgtibbar)'s first 2 runs were at .5 bar; third at .55 according to Rich
Rich's car was around .6 or .63bar and running an open dump on the WG, which apparently adds about 10WHP

[chwmy]

curious to know what gains might come out of cams-- do they increase peak power, or just move the curve around?

[Anand@4induktion.com]

Quote, originally posted by chwmy »

curious to know what gains might come out of cams-- do they increase peak power, or just move the curve around?

as per todays numbers, about 7WHP and 9lb/ft of torque.... also the two cam cars were coincidentally running 100octane...

a bigger notice from cams can be had when they are added to a SC kit

[15DGR V6]

They certainly increase power & make the power cuvrve top heavy.

[jessla]

Quote, originally posted by Mike Solo »

Why are there two third-runs listed for the EIP Stage 4? Is the first one a bad run?

My addled mind is the problem......Rich made a couple additional runs, his first showed no TQ reading.....It's been a long day......

As to the VF 1/VF 2......1/4psi difference...but note.....2 gained, the 1 dropped with each run......

[TTigg]

Quote, originally posted by power_mind »

what a day...man am i beat!!!

Way to go man. Your FT400 made more power than EIP Stage 4 and not much less than the (seriously more expensive) Twin Turbo!!

[smeg0r]

no pics?

[Mike Solo]

Quote, originally posted by TTigg »

Way to go man. Your FT400 made more power than EIP Stage 4 and not much less than the (seriously more expensive) Twin Turbo!!

I believe you mean Stage 1? Nothing beat the Stage 4. Also, The FT400 did not beat the HPA TT R32 (it did beat the HPA TT Jetta Wagon though).

[power_mind]

Quote, originally posted by smeg0r »

no pics?

was too busy freezing my arse off!!! but here's one of the FT360/FT400

[Nebby]

Quote, originally posted by jessla »

All runs in 3rd gear except where * 4th gear.

Why?

[power_mind]

Quote, originally posted by nebuchadnezzar »

Why?

tech screwed up...in addition to showing up almost 30 mintues late

[Bungchow88]

Quote, originally posted by jessla »

All runs in 3rd gear except where * 4th gear.

Yeah im a little confused on that too. Dont most dynos do a 4th gear pull. Is there really any difference between the 3rd and 4th gear pulls?

[0302]

Quote »

acerxz..GIAC, EIP ST EX,AEM cai..(1) 218HP 225Tq (2) 221HP 225Tq (3) 224HP 227Tq dqr32..APR 93, intake..(1) 217HP 232Tq (2) 220HP 222Tq (3) 219HP 221Tq luis..Giac100,Full Milltek,268/264 cams..(1) 231HP 220Tq (2) 231HP 224Tq (3) 229HP 228Tq 95glx..CAI,GIAC100?,268/264 cams..(1) 227HP 223Tq (2) 227HP 228Tq (3) 228HP 236Tq

Does this mean that the cams aren't worth the money or would the actual graphs show me that the hp/tq is over a broader rpm range? It also seems that the cammed cars were on 100oct which is this correct?

[Anand@4induktion.com]

Quote, originally posted by power_mind »

tech screwed up...in addition to showing up almost 30 mintues late

lol "tech" was the owner of the shop

and I know they aren't used to doing 6spds, thus rarely do 4th gear pulls... however, i think it was more done for consistency after the first few cars.

[Acerxz]

Quote, originally posted by gotpsi »

Does this mean that the cams aren't worth the money or would the actual graphs show me that the hp/tq is over a broader rpm range? It also seems that the cammed cars were on 100oct which is this correct?

The graphs show the gain.

Rabbits EIP stage 1 ran 334 after they raised the boost.

[Mike Solo]

Quote, originally posted by Acerxz »

Rabbits EIP stage 1 ran 334 after they raised the boost.

Wow. EIP is looking better & better here. I'm impressed.

[twinturbo666]

Quote, originally posted by Mike Solo »

Wow. EIP is looking better & better here. I'm impressed.

get it mike youll luv it.. hit me up if u wanna go 4 a ride...

[TTigg]

Quote, originally posted by Mike Solo »

I believe you mean Stage 1? Nothing beat the Stage 4. Also, The FT400 did not beat the HPA TT R32 (it did beat the HPA TT Jetta Wagon though).

Correct, sorry I saw Rich @ EIP Stag and just figured that was 4. BTW 9psi without a spacer gasket? not sure how long that's going to last.

My point about Power's err, well Power was that he's only making say 50-60hp (whp) less than the twin turbo R32 and it's 1/2 the cost covnversion

[George@DUBWARS]

Quote, originally posted by Mike Solo »

Wow. EIP is looking better & better here. I'm impressed.

me too!

I was amazed how close the FT400 was to the TT set ups & how far away the price difference is.

I am glad you did this for us Rabbit! I was struggling with the whole FI options for sometime.. while in my head, a couple things never added up on some of the kits.. but after today, looks like a few of you made great choices!


Modified by George@DUBWARS at 5:47 PM 1-14-2006

[kyle@eiptuning.com]

Lets hear it for Rabbit!

-Kyle

[power_mind]

Quote, originally posted by George@DUBWARS »

but after today, looks like a few of you made great choices!

i know, thanx

[Nebby]

Quote, originally posted by TTigg »

My point about Power's err, well Power was that he's only making say 50-60hp (whp) less than the twin turbo R32 and it's 1/2 the cost covnversion

Quote, originally posted by George@DUBWARS »

I was amazed how close the FT400 was to the TT set ups & how far away the price difference is.

Yeah, but just looking at peak numbers can kind of be misleading...
I'm waiting for the actual .drf files or someone to post the graphs to
show power delivery. My guess is that the more expensive twin turbo
setups make power sooner and hold onto it more consistently.

And powermind already mentioned the HPA twin turbo car was running
quite lean, so it was having some issues it seems.

That said... I'm all for the power delivery of the FT400 kits! I'll see
you there around mid-2006 powermind! Unless you're already off into
FT450+ territory by then.

[power_mind]

Quote, originally posted by nebuchadnezzar »

That said... I'm all for the power delivery of the FT400 kits! I'll see you there around mid-2006 powermind! Unless you're already off into FT450+ territory by then.

quite possibly FT4XX territory

but don't worry Neb its ok to admit you follow sometimes rather than lead....its natural

[jmikola]

eip stage 4 looks great, as does the fairly inexpensive stage 1 with modified software - although the someone mentioned the safety concern running 9 psi on that kit.

i'd definitely like to know what was wrong with the hpa tt cars, but props to this avi character for owning two kits. looks like somebody had some cash burning a hole in their pocket.

these numbers really make na tuning look even more costly. i know luis invested quite a bit (at least 75% of a vf stage 1) into his setup and it's still only 30hp above stock.

[Matt20AE]

i believe that they use 3rd is because its the closet to direct drive.