MKV Steering Assist adjustment with Vag-Com???

[stigs-friend]

Anyone know of a way to tweak the steering assist on the MKV's? I'd like to tighten my 2.5 up to feel more like the GLI/GTI, a 2.5 owner can dream right . I thought I saw something about being able to adjust it with a Vag-Com but when I went to check it out tonight I didn't see a definitive setting/menu. For fear of mucking up my steering I decided to ask, anyone done this or know how to do it? TIA

[jeffyscott]

Another option...

I am pretty sure I was told by dealer that there is one free adjustment allowed. So you might check if dealer will do this for you.

[Tim Birney]

Yes you can change the steering assist from soft to hard, spread out over 7 adjustments, 0 to 6 (although I had always thought it was just 5 adjustments) 0 or 1 is tight, and 5 or 6 is loose, or the most assist.
I was going to finish this up, but my memory is not what it once was.
I'll add to this later, when I double check with my lap top.
(module 44 steering I believe)
Someone else will chime in if I don't get back to this.

I dug it out of my trunk...
Controller 44, Steering Assist, Adaptation, channel 1.
You will probably see a value between 2 and 5, or more likely it will be set to 3. Very stiff steering = 1, and a very light feel would = 5. These are changeable, so try it out and see how you like it.

(mine was 3, I went to 2, and drove it for two days, then I decided I liked 3 better)

Modified by Tim Birney at 12:31 PM 2-4-2006


Modified by Tim Birney at 6:09 PM 2-4-2006

[stigs-friend]

Quote, originally posted by Tim Birney »

Yes you can change the steering assist from soft to hard, spread out over 7 adjustments, 0 to 6 (although I had always thought it was just 5 adjustments) 0 or 1 is tight, and 5 or 6 is loose, or the most assist. Controller 44, Steering Assist, Adaptation, channel 1. You will probably see a value between 2 and 5, or more likely it will be set to 3. Very stiff steering = 1, and a very light fell would = 5. These are changeable, so try it out and see how you like it. (mine was 3, I went to 2, and drove it for two days, then I decided I liked 3 better)

Awesome

That's exactly what I needed. I still couldn't find a reference to this on the forums already do you think this would be a valuable addition to either the DIY and/or the Vag-Com tricks threads? Surely I'm not the only noob on the face of the planet with this desire/question....am I ?

Thanks again!

[Tr0p1c_6er]

What are the GTIs set at from the factory?

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by stigs-friend »

Awesome That's exactly what I needed. I still couldn't find a reference to this on the forums already do you think this would be a valuable addition to either the DIY and/or the Vag-Com tricks threads? Surely I'm not the only noob on the face of the planet with this desire/question....am I ? Thanks again!

Certainly, I'll get it added immediately.

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by Tr0p1c_6er »

What are the GTIs set at from the factory?

I'm not sure. If I get access to a Vagcom next weekend again, I'll check my GLI and report back. I'd imgaine it's the same on the GTI and GLI.

[stigs-friend]

Quote, originally posted by BRM10984 »

I'm not sure. If I get access to a Vagcom next weekend again, I'll check my GLI and report back. I'd imgaine it's the same on the GTI and GLI.

I've got access to a GLI, a GTI, and a Vagcom. I'll try to post an answer to that by this evening.

[syntrix]

Quote, originally posted by BRM10984 »

I'm not sure. If I get access to a Vagcom next weekend again, I'll check my GLI and report back. I'd imgaine it's the same on the GTI and GLI.

It's set at 5 on the GLI.

Ok, my cat is out of the bag.

I was going to get a fish scale and code all the values and report how many lbs it took to move the wheel.

You want this in the FAQ? I'll add it!

[syntrix]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2356431

added!

Now someone go and get a fish scale so I don't have to do the dirty work!!!

[Dan Halen]

Quote, originally posted by syntrix »

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2356431 added! Now someone go and get a fish scale so I don't have to do the dirty work!!!

That would be a neat experiment. Post a new thread with the results once you get 'em.

[Tim Birney]

Odd, you would think Grandmas TDI would be a 4 or 5, and GTI/GLI would be a 2...
My TDI was set at 3 from the factory, and I stumbled into an '06 TDI that was a 5.
...but a GLI set to 5?

(perhaps the scale is backwards... 5 being tight/hard, and 1 being mushy/soft?)

Although, I went from 3 to 2 and it felt a little more stiff than I wanted it to be.

[stigs-friend]

Quote, originally posted by Tim Birney »

Odd, you would think Grandmas TDI would be a 4 or 5, and GTI/GLI would be a 2... My TDI was set at 3 from the factory, and I stumbled into an '06 TDI that was a 5. ...but a GLI set to 5? (perhaps the scale is backwards... 5 being tight/hard, and 1 being mushy/soft?) Although, I went from 3 to 2 and it felt a little more stiff than I wanted it to be.

On that note, after some experimentation today I may have a theory on that. We checked out the GLI and it was set to 5...ok so we checked my 2.5 and it was set to 3...now that doesn't make sense from what I've read, so we tested it at nearly every setting.

Theory warning!!

I am not presenting this as a fact, just based on my observations today a plausible idea about these settings.

We tried modifying the setting while sitting still and couldn't tell any difference really, so we would change a setting and try to make the same run along the same stretch of road. What I began to notice was that though the amount of assist did not seem to change the point at which it reached it's minimum point did. So basically:

setting at 1 the assist curve would drop off at about 10 - 15MPH
2 the assist curve would drop off at 20 - 25MPH
3 the assist curve would drop off at 30 - 35MPH
Ect.

This may have very well just been my perception but I could tell no difference in the amount of assist offered, i.e. how easy it was to turn the wheel only how soon that assist went away.

Like I said just a theory try it out for yourself and let me know so we can compare notes.

[Tim Birney]

I noticed the same change when I went from 3 down to 2, and I did not like it.
I think 3 is probably the best for all around driving.
We have to remember that this is the Assist that is being discussed, and not some magical adjustment to the Steering Ratios.

[stigs-friend]

I ended up setting mine at 2, since that range or lower is where I take most of my "everyday driving" turns. If I'm speeding thru some nice curves I like the "heavier" feel of the wheel. I would imagine there would be a seperate setting for the amount of assist offered as well, but I can't say that for certain.

[Tim Birney]

Quote, originally posted by stigs-friend »

I ended up setting mine at 2, since that range or lower is where I take most of my "everyday driving" turns. If I'm speeding thru some nice curves I like the "heavier" feel of the wheel. I would imagine there would be a seperate setting for the amount of assist offered as well, but I can't say that for certain.

Are we backwards? Part II

A little clip of a post over on the TDIClub....

" we've discussed in previous threads, the settings range from 1 - 6, 1 being "mobility" setting, v. high powered assistance, and 6 is "GTI" setting with minimal assistance.

I was surprised to learn that my car has been on setting 2, or "Girlie" as it's now called. I expected it to be set 5 - 6, sports style steering for the GT models but no! Perhaps this was another mess up on behalf of the boys at the VW factory?"

So, are we backwards on the number scale?



Modified by Tim Birney at 7:49 PM 2-6-2006

[syntrix]

So your tests backup that it's backwards, right?

[Tim Birney]

Quote, originally posted by syntrix »

So your tests backup that it's backwards, right?

No, that was a clip from the TDICLUB, from a UK driver.

I queried his VAGTECH Technician's screen as showng GTI rather than displaying a number range, as we show it.
I believe, from what I experienced that we are not backwards, but the ASSIST is what we are actually decreasing, or increasing. We are decreasing the assistance on the lower settings, and increasing the assistance on the higher numbers.

So less assistance at speed would be "1" and more assistance at speed would be "5".
Low speeds will be transparent to any changes.

I'll post the link, so you can read for your self.

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=129533

Modified by Tim Birney at 7:34 AM 2-7-2006

[stigs-friend]

Quote, originally posted by Tim Birney »

So less assistance at speed would be "1" and more assistance at speed would be "5". Low speeds will be transparent to any changes.

This makes sense to me as I see the assist as the graph of a reference curve with the speed across the horizontol axis and the amount of assist across the verticle axis. The VW engineers have told the ECU to match this curve as closely as possible at all times but they built in some configurablility by using a multipler, the assist value, which would change the correlation of speed to assist consistently unless turned off, i.e. set to 0. So it makes sense to me that the higher the value the greater the assist at any given speed.

Just to clarify hopefully, if at 10MPH the reference graph says that the amount of assist should be 5lbs but we have our assist value set at 6 then the ecu tries to make the amount of assist 30lbs. If we change our value to 2 then the amount of assist changes to 10lbs. If we set it to 0 then the amount of assist would be 0 regardless of what the reference graph said.

I am not a VW engineer, thank goodness or else VW's stock would tank and complaints on vortex would sky rocket, but this makes sense to me based on what I saw in fiddling around with my settings. A side note that might verify this, we set the value to 7 for giggles and took a quick spin and found the assist to be erratic, it would be high, then low, then high again, back to low, ect. That could have been the ECU trying to compensate for values that were falling outside what it "expected" them to be.

Hopefully that'll make sense to somebody other than me. I'm not very good an explaining the things in my head, so I apologize if I just confused anyone further.

[buddahvw]

I am still a little confused (what else is new)

has anyone double checked what these setting are on the US GTI and GLI

what is factory pre-set, what have people changed it to?

thanks
mtm

[Tim Birney]

From what I felt during my test, I am certain we are correct.
For lower assistance, and a more in control feel, go down to 1 or 2.
For higher assistance, and a more cushy/mushy feel to your steering, then go up to a 4 or 5.
(I am leaving 0 and 6 out of the equation, but if anyone wants to try them, go ahead)

[syntrix]

Quote, originally posted by buddahvw »

I am still a little confused (what else is new) has anyone double checked what these setting are on the US GTI and GLI what is factory pre-set, what have people changed it to? thanks mtm

Factory GLI Setting [or scroll up a bit]

[Milkfloat]

Guys hoping you can help me, I have tried this however, my adaptation channel 1 is set at 12. The label calls it 'Sport'. Any ideas? I was originally told to follow this procedure:

[Select]
[44 - Steering Assist] (from Chassis tab)
[Recode - 07]

Take note of the value which is in the form 0001x1 where x is the weight setting, eg 000121
If x is set to 1, it will be very light, if it is set to 5 it will be heavy
Replace the number with the required weight, eg 000151

However, the login 07 box was grayed out.

Any chance of a screenshot of your adaptation channel?

[nastybags]

is this vag change worth it.I am just wondering is this something that anyone with a vag-com should change?What are the benefits.

[syntrix]

Quote, originally posted by Milkfloat »

Guys hoping you can help me, I have tried this however, my adaptation channel 1 is set at 12. The label calls it 'Sport'. Any ideas? I was originally told to follow this procedure: [Select] [44 - Steering Assist] (from Chassis tab) [Recode - 07] Take note of the value which is in the form 0001x1 where x is the weight setting, eg 000121 If x is set to 1, it will be very light, if it is set to 5 it will be heavy Replace the number with the required weight, eg 000151 However, the login 07 box was grayed out. Any chance of a screenshot of your adaptation channel?

You need adaptation then channel 1.

You went a different route.

[Tim Birney]

I agree, it appears that the Coding is being displayed, when adaptation should have been entered.

When the adaptation is changed, the coding actually stays as is.

[aychseven]

Lee,
Have you driven a regular jetta yet? noticed any difference in steering feel? or have you changed your assistance level to play around with it yet?

i kinda like the assist level in my VE at low speeds, but around 60mph+ it seems to take too little effort to steer, makes it feel a little unsafe.

also anyone know if the steering ratio is the same on all the MKV cars?

[syntrix]

Well let's adjust yours and see how you like it

I'm cool with mine where it's at. I just want to use a fish scale to test the settings in this manner:

1. At rest
2. At different speeds on a dry lake bed.

The results should be very interesting

[Milkfloat]

You missunderstand me. I did go to adapation first, but my value is set at 12 for channel 1(I am not Popeye). The label for the first adapation channel is 'Sport'.
The other procedure involving 'recode' I posted is one that someone else in the UK has managed.

[Tim Birney]

I think I am getting the picture.
The GOLF/GTI vehicles appear to be different in respect to the Jettas when the Steering Assist is in question.(Golf/GTI built in Wolfsburg, and backs up a thread that Sebastian posted quite a while ago)

The U.S. Jetta has an adaptation range of 0 through 6, no words or letters.
Whatever you are seeing with Various settings such as "GTI" indicates something that the normal Jetta owner will not see.

Could you post some screen shots?

(I am Popeye)

Modified by Tim Birney at 5:01 AM 2-10-2006

[Milkfloat]

OK, here we go. Some screenshots.
1. The Controller Open

2.Adapatation Channel 1 - Note value is 12!

3.No Fault Codes

4.Group 5 of the measuring blocks which I assume shows the value at idle.

I have no idea why the GLI and GTI would be different. Also the TDI I tried had the same setup as mine.

/Olive Oyl.

[Tim Birney]

Quote, originally posted by Milkfloat »

OK, here we go. Some screenshots. 1. The Controller Open 2.Adapatation Channel 1 - Note value is 12! 3.No Fault Codes 4.Group 5 of the measuring blocks which I assume shows the value at idle. I have no idea why the GLI and GTI would be different. Also the TDI I tried had the same setup as mine. /Olive Oyl.

I have no idea where you you obtained 512.1-UD from. I went to http://www.ross-tech.com and reloaded the latest 512.1 thinking I would get that program, and I ended up with 512.1-D, as I already had.

Where you see SPORT, I see Normal 1 through 7 (using Adaptation values 0 through 6). If I step up to Adaptation values of 7 through 12, I then see USER 1 through 5 in the box that you have displayed as 'SPORT'.

So the big question is, "Where did you download the 512.1-UD Software from?"

Modified by Tim Birney at 3:31 PM 2-11-2006

[syntrix]

I have 512.1-UD, too. Weird.

Is the module controller the same? IE same part/label file? IE 1K2 909 144 H??

I'm too sick to go and scan mine right now

[Tim Birney]

Yep, and there is a post from Washington State on the VAG-COM forum, the user has -UD also.
Now if i could figure out how to get it.

[GoneHome]

Guys... this sucks. I have nothing in there. He's a snippit from my autoscan.

Address 44: Steering Assist

Controller: 1K1 909 144 J

Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.5 D04 1606

Coding: 0000000

Shop #: WSC 00000

No fault code found.