Eaton guys represent...

[G60Scuzz]

The ulimate reliable INEXPENSIVE alternative to a gladder....

There are some older pics btw..

It is currently getting re-finished... so it will look new when its done...

The inside is ported and polished...

Who else has one....

Time to share ideas and sssshhh, trying to lay low on the tex

[mrkrad]

let's talk prices.

how much you get that eaton for ? $200?

any plans to sell a kit??

[fatherc_chris]

Is the Eaton more efficent than the G-Lader?

[mrkrad]

That is not specific enough.

Perhaps you need to ask something

is the EATON (m45,m60,m62,m90,m112) more efficient in this specific engine configurations? If so, where? If not, where?

[fatherc_chris]

I guess first of all.....which eaton is most widely used in a G60 application. Secondly, which eaton requires the least amount of custom fab work? Thanx

[tony_pappas]

Really interested in this. No g60 will EVER go back on my car.

Bump for you from a guy weighing his options.

[ntonar]

I like the reroute

[wolf rocco]

2 days my eaton is coming off and getting a good porting
i will get some updated pics also

[Danno13]

Whose going to post the pics and dimensions for the brackets?

[Guillem]

Another Eaton M64 owner here

[Lysholm]

Quote, originally posted by mrkrad »

That is not specific enough. Perhaps you need to ask something is the EATON (m45,m60,m62,m90,m112) more efficient in this specific engine configurations? If so, where? If not, where?

thats plenty specific, you will get a slight improvement in adiabatic efficiency as the charger gets bigger, however none of the eatons are as efficient a gladder in the adiabatic dept.

every company that ever produced a kit, most were m45's, scrapped it because the charger couldn't even come close to stage 4 g60 numbers, a few 60,62 & 90 conversions have popped over the years, but i don't think there has ever been a dyno chart

[mrkrad]

all the eatons are more efficient to the pocket book. for the cost of other blowers you could afford a TURBO and an EATON

pocketbook efficiency. very important for corrado owners to consider.

i bet a stage 4 G60 and Eaton will make withing 10hp of each other, but one supercharger will cost more than 10X more for a used one than the other

rebuilds of eatons with porting go for like $300-400 too. not to knock the g60 but damn thats cheap.

[4DR-84]

How much do u have to fab and what do u got to fab??? How long did it take to fab?

What eaton is the best? Which one can be put on the easiest And such..???

And whats the total cost and time.. I want to do this setup on my g60 rabbit this summer looking to spend around 1000...

THANKS

[Lysholm]

i figured this was worth posting,

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=295839
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=205998

this was a long time ago and Mark (91g60gti) is no longer an active vortex member, Ricky (VW1990CORRADO), had the same dyno results years later w/ one of Joezx6's kits

the bottom line is eatons suck compared to a gladder, and the only thing they are better than is nothing

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[mej3]

Here's mine. Faster than it should be! m62, machined aluminum brackets...porsche 944 IC (not installed yet, only run with giant volvo fmic)

[Peter Tong]

Quote, originally posted by Lysholm »

i figured this was worth posting, http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=295839 http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=205998 this was a long time ago and Mark (91g60gti) is no longer an active vortex member, Ricky (VW1990CORRADO), had the same dyno results years later w/ one of Joezx6's kits

I never was priviledged enough to see a dyno of Joezx6's kits... only 156 whp? What model of Eaton blower did JoeZx6 use?

Its interesting reading those past threads... Wolf Rocco - have you dyno'd your Eaton install? Have any of these Eaton setups been dyno'd? The results would be interesting to say the least...


Modified by Peter Tong at 1:14 AM 3-29-2006

[mrkrad]

156whp isn't bad consider most g60's are in the 160's on a good day..

i bet if you setup the choices of boost at the same 15psi you'd get a +/-10psi spread at best.

but the cost to the pocketbook spread would be much wider!

[kompressorRaddo]

my setup with the m45

[Peter Tong]

Quote, originally posted by mrkrad »

156whp isn't bad consider most g60's are in the 160's on a good day.. i bet if you setup the choices of boost at the same 15psi you'd get a +/-10psi spread at best. but the cost to the pocketbook spread would be much wider!

Well I would have to say that you have a good argument there Do you perchance have a link to the 156 whp dyno?

[jwatts]

Here's my best argument for an eaton. Low boost eaton forced by a turbo... better boost response and you don't have to overspin the eaton.
3-5psi from eaton in this setup, the other 10-13ps coming from the T3-60. Makes the turbo boost response much better. We'll probably experiment with smaller pullies for the charger in the future, but for now it's a fun experiment and will see the dyno in the coming weeks.

[kompressorRaddo]

Quote, originally posted by jwatts »

Here's my best argument for an eaton. Low boost eaton forced by a turbo... better boost response and you don't have to overspin the eaton. 3-5psi from eaton in this setup, the other 10-13ps coming from the T3-60. Makes the turbo boost response much better. We'll probably experiment with smaller pullies for the charger in the future, but for now it's a fun experiment and will see the dyno in the coming weeks.

that looks so sick!!! awesome

[Lysholm]

Quote, originally posted by mrkrad »

156whp isn't bad consider most g60's are in the 160's on a good day.. i bet if you setup the choices of boost at the same 15psi you'd get a +/-10psi spread at best. but the cost to the pocketbook spread would be much wider!

Sam were talking about an all out Repoman crazy 8v built motor, w/fully built bbm glader i think Marks car jumped to the 190+ whp range, 156whp is only 15 or so hp lower than a bone stock g60 and charger


Modified by Lysholm at 6:59 PM 3-29-2006

[mrkrad]

bone stock g60 is 134whp when brand new. keep the facts straight there's some noobs here that might get confused.

the eaton is still up to 20X cheaper than the lysholm, street prices. it is also up to 10X cheaper than the g-lader street prices (aka what i can find and buy right now).

This flexibility is definitely worth it. Heck you can even have a spare eaton so when you need to rebuild your lysholm, you won't be missing boost.

im gonna get an eaton, sell my rebuilt g-lader, and get a turbo kit. twinchargin' is where its at man.

[Lysholm]

sorry dude, but its pretty obvious i meant to say higher not lower, and i agree the twin charger setup is a good setup for eaton, problem is that the $ value and complexity just skyrocketed... where are you getting 10-20 more than(g60/Lysholm) multipliers from, junkyard eaton prices aren't comparible to brand new kit or rebuilt charger prices... and we're not talking about twin charging, we're talking about single charger replacement, lets try to stay on topic brother...


Modified by Lysholm at 7:54 AM 3-30-2006

[Peter Tong]

I'd love to see some Eaton dyno runs... so far though no one has posted up Post em up Eaton folks! I'm sure there are boatloads of folks that would be interested... perhaps we can pool some cash to help one of these guys dyno...

[Lysholm]

Quote, originally posted by Peter Tong »

I'd love to see some Eaton dyno runs... so far though no one has posted up Post em up Eaton folks! I'm sure there are boatloads of folks that would be interested... perhaps we can pool some cash to help one of these guys dyno...

what he said, of the two guys that i mentioned, both had dyno runs but never posted the actual charts, and those are the only two pg eaton conversions that have shared dyno info at all in the past 7 or so years ive been lurkin' on the tex

[wolf rocco]

WE just got a dyno in our province so now i only have to drive 3 hours to get to it

i will post up the results in the summer right after i run

[mej3]

I'll take the challenge, one of the reasons we dont dyno the werewolf is the lack of dyno funds! (a slip of paper and bragging rights doesnt mean a whole lot) but in the name of SCIENCE and Economy! I say Spin those rollers!

[Lysholm]

Rennen has a pretty good deal $75 for two back to back runs, and they're in Portland, ME

[Peter Tong]

Glen,

How much would it cost for a few runs on your local dynojet? Lysholm's right... I've been on here since '99 or so and haven't run across an Eaton dyno either... they seem to be as rare or rarer than hen's teeth... perhaps we can rustle up some funds...

Peter T

[jwatts]

Would be nice to see all 4, 5.... no 6 types of FI (G60, eaton, lysholm, turbo, centrifugal [rotrex or vortech], and of course twincharged ) dynos laid over eachother to visually see their strengths and weaknesses. Damn, I think there are more options for this old 8V than for the mustang, or honda guys have, LOL.

OF course, we'll represent the twincharged sect, though this particular eaton is waaay underdriven. The dyno will probably look as if there was bigger motor spinning up the turbo a bit earlier than before. At one point, we'll experiment with smaller pullies to get more significant pressure out of the eaton and see what the net effect is. No matter the pulley size, being able to up the boost even more with the turbo is waaay cool .

Meanwhile, the bare metal parts have been painted. Here's another pic.

[DAMACGON]

People with Lysholm will feel better about their $2500 lysholm, after they see an eaton dyno from a $250 eaton setup LOL

By the way ... $250 eaton is 10 times cheaper than $2500 lysholm and as much as strong as a Lysholm and can push enought pressure, and also you can decide which to go : M45, M62, M64, M90, M112 .. you have the choice

[Peter Tong]

Quote, originally posted by jwatts »

Would be nice to see all 4, 5.... no 6 types of FI (G60, eaton, lysholm, turbo, centrifugal [rotrex or vortech], and of course twincharged ) dynos laid over eachother to visually see their strengths and weaknesses. Damn, I think there are more options for this old 8V than for the mustang, or honda guys have, LOL.

I think this is a great idea... got to have an Eaton dyno first though

[Lysholm]

Quote, originally posted by DAMACGON »

People with Lysholm will feel better about their $2500 lysholm, after they see an eaton dyno from a $250 eaton setup LOL By the way ... $250 eaton is 10 times cheaper than $2500 lysholm and as much as strong as a Lysholm and can push enought pressure, and also you can decide which to go : M45, M62, M64, M90, M112 .. you have the choice

i've said it a thousand times, of the many eaton claims over the years there has never been a single shred of dyno data ever posted on the tex...and there have been plenty of conversions

[jwatts]

All of the different types have their shortcomings... even the lysholm. Some show in power curves, whether it's lack of top end, bottom end, etc... some are noisy, some are known to be more delicate than others, etc. Everything is compromise, so if it bolts on and you don't like it... unbolt and trade for another option. We have a lot .