Eaton guys represent...

[Andrew Stauffer]

Guess Kenne Bell doesn't offer "silencer kits" like BBM does.......

[g60_c]

Quote, originally posted by Rennen Performance »

We'd like that

sometime in the next 3 weeks i'm hoping.. gotta nail down some leaks, both oil & coolant.. oh.. and get 'er inspected

-nate

[g60_c]

Quote, originally posted by Andrew Stauffer »

Guess Kenne Bell doesn't offer "silencer kits" like BBM does.......

because the kenne bell package is an oem replacement for the eaton that would hvae existed on the car previously.. and they DO have a "silencer kit".. it's called putting the throttle body prior to the charger, and having a bypass valve. soon as you hit WOT or somewhere near it.. any kennebell package is gonna whine like a mother.. it's a side effect of the internal workings of a twin screw compressor.

-nate

[Peter Tong]

Any new Eaton guys ready to add some hot air to this thread?

[wolf rocco]

sorry peter nothing to add yet

was going to hit the dyno this weekend but i ended up getting a 83 polo so so cash to take the rocco to the dyno

[MrPillowPants]

I'm wondering what happened with these kits this guy is trying to make

[wolf rocco]

joe

i think joe ran into some personal problems and just kind of faded away off vortex

[evil-e]

Quote, originally posted by Peter Tong »

Any new Eaton guys ready to add some hot air to this thread?

Eaton M90 is sitting on top of my toolbox along w/ an ABA/16v...
Going to be quite a while till it's a runner though. Once I get it done, though, I'm def. going to dyno it.

[g60_c]

my updates are... un-ending problems with the remainder of the car.. boooo

brand new alternator is crapping out, and i think i burned the rings outta the engine too .. oh well, it's close to the end of the season anyway, so i'm just gonna park it & work on it over the winter (again)

however, did get it on the dyno this summer..
typical "stg4 g60".. 15 psi on the eaton, FMIC, 260/268 cam, sns chip, 3.5bar stock injectors (a little on the dangerous side, i know)... 150/150 to the wheels...

-nate

[Iceman666]

new block is on its way....as well as some bits for my a/w IC should be back up and running soon enough

[VW1990CORRADO]

so who has my old kit? hows it doing? sold it back in 2002.

[swingwing205]

Quote, originally posted by Peter Tong »

Any new Eaton guys ready to add some hot air to this thread?

Hey Peter, I've almost got my Eaton M90 conversion totally done, but it's been a headache since I've had to engineer the kit to be able to keep A/C and clear everything. It's been a real trip.

I've got a lot of testing to do and then she'll go up for sale. It should make a really awesome Xcross car, great for torque, and winding roads, which are in abundance around here in Tennessee (Like the Dragon...)

[g60_c]

no new hot air to add here... other than, developed a nasty "twitch" in the car when i open/close throttle.. thank god i just have to get it to the garage for winter storage...

-nate

[Iceman666]

you have a choice, keep the a/c and hack up the fan shroud or no a/c other then that...i doubt it will fit.

[Andrew Stauffer]

Quote, originally posted by g60_c »

because the kenne bell package is an oem replacement for the eaton that would hvae existed on the car previously.. and they DO have a "silencer kit".. it's called putting the throttle body prior to the charger, and having a bypass valve. soon as you hit WOT or somewhere near it.. any kennebell package is gonna whine like a mother.. it's a side effect of the internal workings of a twin screw compressor. -nate

That's not a silencer kit, that's proper design. Oddly, my twin screw demonstrates alot less blower whine than a Mini Cooper S with an intake. Though I'd agree you can't miss the sound over 4000rpms.

[swingwing205]

Quote, originally posted by Iceman666 »

you have a choice, keep the a/c and hack up the fan shroud or no a/c other then that...i doubt it will fit.

The fan shoud is modified, but not too much, and the AC will be no probs. It's a very tight fit but not impossible. Very impressive looking too...

[Iceman666]

hehe dont have to tell me

[mrkrad]

TIGHT FITS

nobody wants a loosey *****

[swingwing205]

Quote, originally posted by mrkrad »

TIGHT FITS nobody wants a loosey *****

This isn't a loose fit either. Once I get back from vacation, I'll be getting this thing all wleded up and onto the car. Finally this project will get gone, and really can't wait!

[Sciroccomann]

Keeping the eaton thread alive! Does anyone know if positioning matteres for lubrication purposes? Ie, is theree an UP side? (M62 specific) doesn't appear so as I've found pictures on here of several mounting positions...

Anyone konw of any good Eaton resources? manuals? etc?

[g60_c]

Quote, originally posted by Sciroccomann »

Keeping the eaton thread alive! Does anyone know if positioning matteres for lubrication purposes? Ie, is theree an UP side? (M62 specific) doesn't appear so as I've found pictures on here of several mounting positions... Anyone konw of any good Eaton resources? manuals? etc?

eaton's are designed with "universal mounting" in mind.. as long as it is horizontal, you can "clock" it any way you want & still maintain the lubrication..

-nate

[OhioBenz]

Quote, originally posted by swingwing205 »

This isn't a loose fit either. Once I get back from vacation, I'll be getting this thing all wleded up and onto the car. Finally this project will get gone, and really can't wait!

Swing, didnt i sell you my G60 mounting bracket like really dirt cheap last year??

Would like to see some pix .... esp since you kept the AC and all which is my plan for the ABA-16v stroker.... 11:1 forged etc etc Only plan to run about 10psi max, MSNS-e

BTW i worked up a plug-in chart for calculating charger pulley ratio.
If anyone is just starting this process - IM me and I'll plug in what you're building to get you the "right" pulley size for the boost you want

M90 is a gotta - the others are too small!!

[Sciroccomann]

M90 is a gotta - the others are too small!!

great.. I'm using the M62 on a 9a 16v.. Final gearbox parts come in Monday so I should have the motor/trans in the car by mid week. Planning to figure out the outlets and plumbing once I get other components in the car to see what space I have left...

Comp. ratio is 9.6:1 (ie, stacked aba's down from 10.6:1). I was hoping this charger would push 10 - 12lbs of boost, but really have no way of knowing for sure..

Anyone run this M62 charger? ? am I wasting $$ making outlets for this charger? any advice from someone with direct experience with this charger is greatly appreciated!! at least it's not the mini-cooper M45.. The say the 60 series is rated for 2 - 4 litre engines..

[OhioBenz]

the M series is "good for 12,000-14,000 rpm" but I think as others have pointed out the efficency drops off in the high end.

With the M90 I can run it at 8400rpm and get 10psi boost with only a 1:1.04 pulley ratio (very slight overdrive)

For an M62:
If you have a 2.0 displacement and want to reach 10 psi, the charger will have to be running 13415rpm at 8000 engine rpm or a pulley ratio of 1:1.68
Now if you're running a 1.8, the numbers change quite a bit...
10976 charger rpm at 8000 engine rpm for a 1:1.37 pulley ratio and 10 psi

I think its easy to see why the M45 and M62 are not good choices - and why they failed to meet Neuspeed etc's predictions.
I've been an engineer for over 30 yrs and a little bit of theory goes a long ways!!

I dont think the M90 in my setup is going to reach near the intake temps due to the lower rpms, it should last a lot longer, and perform well within my rpm range. I chose to stick to stock CR and O-ring the block, run lower boost. Like I said earlier my ECR should be around 18:1 which is almost beyond pump gas range anyway...

[Sciroccomann]

That's great to hear from someone who knows wtf is going on.. : ) I guess this sets some expectations out of the charger, and i better keep my eyes open for an M90, or Glader parts..

[Sciroccomann]

Would you say the M60 would be well suited for a 1.8l 8v (G60 motor)?

[OhioBenz]

Quote, originally posted by Sciroccomann »

Would you say the M60 would be well suited for a 1.8l 8v (G60 motor)?

i was looking at a SC book at borders cos I looked online for the gen3 Eatons - and cant find the "official" displacement/rev data...

The book listed the gen4 Eatons - M62 1L/rev; M90 1.5L/rev; M112 1.85L/rev

However I seem to recall the gen3 M90 as being only 1L/rev.... Can somebody correct me? are the gen3 & 4 the same in displacement?

If that is the case, the M62 should be an OK replacement for the G-Lader on a 1.8L

Having seen vid clips of "Sam's Rabbit" runnig an M90...I would still have to go that route tho....

[g60_c]

if i had a place to host the vids, i'd put up a couple of my corrado @ the drag-strip with my m90 setup... it's from trackside, not in-car.. but.. you'll get the idea

-nate

[need a vdub]

send vids to my email (check PM)

Update: I am redoing the fuel pump on my M90 set up after that Dyno time. within the month of march


Modified by need a vdub at 10:12 AM 2-28-2007

[g60_c]

Quote, originally posted by need a vdub »

send vids to my email (check PM) Update: I am redoing the fuel pump on my M90 set up after that Dyno time. within the month of march Modified by need a vdub at 10:12 AM 2-28-2007

nice! what're you doing for a fueling setup on it?

[need a vdub]

Just an external Walboro. Already have 440cc and SDS of course.

[G60mxl]

by the way I have a eaton m90 I am selling it in 100 dlls

[g60_c]

Quote, originally posted by need a vdub »

Just an external Walboro. Already have 440cc and SDS of course.

fed by the in-tank pump?

surge tank?

[need a vdub]

You are correct. Just found out my injector circut is not getting power After that I will be up and running.

[91GSiXTY]

I have a Kit FS

Battery will need to moved as well as carbon can.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3104891