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    Thread: MKV GTI R32 tail light DIY

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      03-18-2007 02:10 AM #51
      Quote, originally posted by BRM10984 »
      The rear fog modification renders the rear fog location useless as a reverse light. In other words, no- a car modified to have a rear fog lamp will not have two functional reverse lamps.

      Has anyone experimented with brighter alternatives to the reverse light? I feel it's kinda dark back there with two right now, but with only one when I get R32 rear lights, I'm gonna want to have some extra light back there (I actually use the passenger's side view mirror tilted down to see my rear wheel while reversing.)

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      03-21-2007 08:24 PM #52
      Quote, originally posted by corradokidg60 »
      Has anyone experimented with brighter alternatives to the reverse light? I feel it's kinda dark back there with two right now, but with only one when I get R32 rear lights, I'm gonna want to have some extra light back there (I actually use the passenger's side view mirror tilted down to see my rear wheel while reversing.)

      I agree it's a little dim, I experience the same thing myself. Be careful though. I've read elsewhere on the Vortex that increasing wattage in the bulb back there could have negative consequences to the light housing and wiring.

    3. 03-21-2007 08:38 PM #53
      Man are you kidding me I just ordered my r32 tailights and I did not know you have to go through all this nonsense to switch tail lights...there goes german for ya

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      03-21-2007 10:04 PM #54
      Quote, originally posted by brandon0221 »
      Man are you kidding me I just ordered my r32 tailights and I did not know you have to go through all this nonsense to switch tail lights...there goes german for ya

      I looked at this DIY for about a week and a half while I was waiting on my lights to arrive. I was a little nervous about cutting wires on my new baby. (I ended up splicing into, not cutting, the wire in #3, as suggested earlier in the thread). To my surprise, it took me literally 25 minutes, including coding to accomplish it. Don't let the whole "rewire" concept get to you. It's real simple. And makes great lights...well, really great.

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      03-22-2007 11:46 AM #55
      Quote, originally posted by brandon0221 »
      Man are you kidding me I just ordered my r32 tailights and I did not know you have to go through all this nonsense to switch tail lights...there goes german for ya

      It's not that bad at all, I dont mind soldering, I actually like it. The part that took me the most time was getting the wire out of the socket... other than that it's a simple mod.

    6. 03-22-2007 12:21 PM #56
      Cool! Glad everyone is liking my inside-the-taillight soldering mod. I started a DIY! Woohoo!
      As a side note - I didn't have this post in my email replies section, so I never saw the pic request, thanks to zither99 for posting those pics for me.


      Modified by desean81 at 9:22 AM 3-22-2007

    7. 04-01-2007 10:14 PM #57
      So what will not work if I only plug and play

    8. 04-10-2007 01:28 PM #58
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      So after you cut the wire, both the wire from terminal 2 and 3 splice together in one side of the connector?

      i don't think there was a definitive answer on this (or else i'm just not getting it)... is it correct that after you cut the wire in #3, the wires in #2 and #3 are spliced together and are connected to the other end of the cut wire via a butt connector?
      i'm stupid. thanks again.


      Modified by djkjan82 at 6:29 PM 4-10-2007

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      04-18-2007 04:19 PM #59
      Quote, originally posted by djkjan82 »
      i don't think there was a definitive answer on this (or else i'm just not getting it)... is it correct that after you cut the wire in #3, the wires in #2 and #3 are spliced together and are connected to the other end of the cut wire via a butt connector?
      i'm stupid. thanks again.

      Modified by djkjan82 at 6:29 PM 4-10-2007

      bump for an answer to this...gonna try this after I get my lights tomorrow.

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      05-17-2007 01:13 PM #60
      Anybody know what the part numbers are for the lights?

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      05-23-2007 10:52 AM #61
      Quote, originally posted by sldrsvw »
      I did this mod and used the coding here and have full circle brake lights and amber center

      Some clarification needed here. I'll be helping someone with this, but don't want full circle brakes, but just the outer half to match RoW specifications. Would it be just swapping the wire to the other terminal or just leaving it? It seems logical that leaving out the splicing two wires together would give half circles, but just a question of which terminal. I know that I will be able to figure it out if no one gets back to this question, but it would be nice to know ahead of time.
      Also, could someone post what the process is with the long coding helper? What check boxes need to be checked/unchecked?



      Modified by VWYankee at 7:53 AM 5-23-2007

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      05-26-2007 12:19 PM #62
      Ask cafecar on here about this. He ran one wire from each tail lamp to the control module to get ROW specs. I do not belive there is a way to do this with coding only. cafecar will know all of the details.
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      05-28-2007 10:32 AM #63
      Quote, originally posted by VWYankee »
      Some clarification needed here. I'll be helping someone with this, but don't want full circle brakes, but just the outer half to match RoW specifications.

      Although full circle brakes would be a good idea, and personally, I think I would rather have the full instead of half circle brakes to go along with the amber turn signals...
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    14. 05-28-2007 09:51 PM #64
      If you want to have half circle brake lights you must run 2 wires from each tail light assembly to the Central Electrics control module and code the module accordingly. Too much disassembly involved for me just to have half of the brake lights. It is safer to have full circle brake lights in my opinion.

    15. 06-12-2007 04:10 PM #65
      Seems to me that all you have to do to get a half circle of brake light is to put the wire that one would splice/split (without splicing it) into the slot that will light up the the half of the brake lights that you want to light up and do the coding as required. Or is that going to throw a code.
      Also, after doing this as per instructions will the car be able to tell me if one of the brake light bulbs (now powered by the spliced/split wire) is out?


      Modified by AS3 at 6:16 AM 6-15-2007

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      06-15-2007 08:52 AM #66
      Quote, originally posted by AS3 »
      Seems to me that all you have to do to get a half circle of brake light is to put the wire that one would splice/split (with splicing it) into the slot that will light up the the half of the brake lights that you want to light up and do the coding as required. Or is that going to throw a code.
      Also, after doing this as per instructions will the car be able to tell me if one of the brake light bulbs (now powered by the spliced/split wire) is out?

      Agreed. Well, sort of. I'd like to see why any long coding is needed outside of getting the rear fog to work. For the signals, if you're swapping wires, that should be all that's needed. There's no way coding is need just to get "amber" since these are still incandescent bulbs like the stock tails, and no magic/coding is needed to "enable" anything (outside of the rear fog as stated).

    17. 06-15-2007 09:07 AM #67
      Alas, coding is mandatory, at least for for the Rabbit (don't know about the Jetta). If not, the wire powering the amber light will act like it's supposed to for the US specs and it will light up when the brakes are applied (speaking from recent experience). Under US spec coding the wire powering the turn signal does double duty, as a signal and as a brake light. Changing the code releases it from it's brake light obligations. Splicing/splitting/soldering the remaining wire for the inside half of the brake light rounds out the donut.
      All you really need to do is change byte 13 in the code to 00 from the default of 14 (I think). Otherwise you get the the amber signal lighting up with the brake lights, but it will blink if the brakes are on and you have pushed the indicator stalk. Maybe some think that's cool. Not me.

      Modified by AS3 at 6:17 AM 6-15-2007


      Modified by AS3 at 6:20 AM 6-15-2007

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      06-15-2007 12:43 PM #68
      Quote, originally posted by AS3 »
      Alas, coding is mandatory, at least for for the Rabbit (don't know about the Jetta). If not, the wire powering the amber light will act like it's supposed to for the US specs and it will light up when the brakes are applied (speaking from recent experience). Under US spec coding the wire powering the turn signal does double duty, as a signal and as a brake light. Changing the code releases it from it's brake light obligations. Splicing/splitting/soldering the remaining wire for the inside half of the brake light rounds out the donut.
      All you really need to do is change byte 13 in the code to 00 from the default of 14 (I think). Otherwise you get the the amber signal lighting up with the brake lights, but it will blink if the brakes are on and you have pushed the indicator stalk. Maybe some think that's cool. Not me.

      I wasn't thinking about the difference with US spec sharing the brake and signal operations. Now it makes sense that coding is needed to get amber working properly. However, now that makes me think there should be a way to get it to work without splicing/adding/soldering wires, but perhaps just by switching.
      Say you get them wired so it functions the way you're describing (amber lighting up when you brake), then play around with the long coding so the computer's only telling amber to light up with indicators not with brakes as well. Has anyone played around with that?

      *Edit*
      I mention this because I know with getting the Jetta LED's to work there are combinations of long coding that similar results happen. You'll get amber when braking along with signaling if the long coding is done a certain way. It's ugly as crap because they're dual color LED's, so it's more of an orange color because both red and yellow LED's are being activated. Strange, but has me wondering about the R32 tails.


      Modified by VWYankee at 9:47 AM 6-15-2007

    19. 08-04-2007 02:56 PM #69
      Quote, originally posted by 4string »
      You will need 2 wire terminals to insert into the multiplug terminal housings for the outboard rear light assemblies. The terminals you can get at the VW dealer and the terminals will have a short piece of wire crimped onto them that you can splice onto the original harness.
      The part number for the wiring terminal is:
      000 979 141

      Sorry for bumping this up, but I've got a question.
      You need to buy this terminal for it to work? Or did some of you guys not use this and got it working anyhow? Like is there a way to just "hook" up a wire similar w/o buying that terminal. Thanks.
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      08-11-2007 02:28 PM #70
      Quote, originally posted by g60_corrado_91 »
      Sorry for bumping this up, but I've got a question.
      You need to buy this terminal for it to work? Or did some of you guys not use this and got it working anyhow? Like is there a way to just "hook" up a wire similar w/o buying that terminal. Thanks.

      The jumper wire is needed, sort of, but technically not. I just did this today for Andrew and thought I had the right jumper wire (I have some for hooking up the rear fog), but I didn't.
      You can do everything the DIY says without a jumper wire, but the outer half circle of the taillight will NOT light up at all as you won't have any wire running to the terminal that sends the power/signal. So, the inner half circle will still function right as a tail and brake light with amber being in the little center circle.
      What I can't believe no one has mentioned on here is that the jumper wire needed (000 979 141) is freakin' $11 and is a special order at just about every dealer!! I thought the part number looked familiar and might be the same jumper used for many things on MKIV's, but I was wrong after trying that one (didn't work). So, you gotta buck up and buy the darn wire for $11, even though the jumper for doing the rear fog that looks identical outside of being smaller is only a dollar or two. That's just dumb...


      Modified by VWYankee at 11:30 AM 8-11-2007

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      08-22-2007 07:45 PM #71
      Well the wire works, but it is posing a new question.
      To those who have done this mod so far, here is the question:
      Go outside, get in your car, and step on the brakes. Does ANYTHING light up? Note, I did not say, put your lights on. Nor, did I say, turn the car on.
      I just finished connecting the jumper wire, the coding was already done. When I step on the brake pedal without the car on, nothing happens, not even the third brake light turns on. When I step on the brake pedal with the taillights on and the car off, nothing happens. When I step on the brake pedal with the car on, and lights off or on, my brake lights function.
      Is anyone else having this issue? Did we miss something?
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      08-22-2007 07:50 PM #72
      That's how all of them are. Even before you wired them up they were like that. Normal

    23. 08-22-2007 07:57 PM #73
      Yeah, the brake lights do not turn on with the ignition off. That's how it is for US spec and UK spec (probably the others as well). Now if you're igition is on and there's nothing, then you've got a problem.
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      08-22-2007 08:05 PM #74
      Quote, originally posted by g60_corrado_91 »
      Yeah, the brake lights do not turn on with the ignition off. That's how it is for US spec and UK spec (probably the others as well). Now if you're igition is on and there's nothing, then you've got a problem.

      Really... Then why do I want to think that most cars, and I thought including the VW's that I've had, it doesn't matter whether or not the car is running for the brake lights to work??
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    25. 08-22-2007 09:50 PM #75
      Quote, originally posted by VWYankee »

      You can do everything the DIY says without a jumper wire, but the outer half circle of the taillight will NOT light up at all as you won't have any wire running to the terminal that sends the power/signal. So, the inner half circle will still function right as a tail and brake light with amber being in the little center circle.
      Modified by VWYankee at 11:30 AM 8-11-2007

      Like this?

      Figures. I actually like the way the inners only are on but I think it would be the same for the brake lights. What I would like to do is make the tail lights inner only but still have full brake lights and do it via vag com, but I doubt I could do that.
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