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    1. Moderator WolfGTI's Avatar
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      05-03-2006 03:34 PM #71
      Quote, originally posted by sdezego »
      What are you using/going to use for Exhaust? I presume not the AGN (i.e. Euro, N/A Header)?

      Just curious...

      I am building up a 20/20 G60 motor as we speak and ended up buying a Supersprint Mk2 16v Header ($$) and will be mating it to a SS Flange I have. Definitely not plug and play, but for my setup it should be perfect (hopefully).

      The 16v SS header spaces out between the primaries enough for the 20v head/ flange? That's interesting - I was going to have a stainless 4 into 1 equal length header made for the car.


      Modified by WolfGTI at 3:52 PM 5-3-2006

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-03-2006 03:47 PM #72
      Get a TT 16v header with the slip on collector, remove the 16v flanges, reposition them to one of the many 20v exhaust flanges available.
      Pretty damn cost effective and will get the job done.

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      05-03-2006 03:51 PM #73
      Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »
      Get a TT 16v header with the slip on collector, remove the 16v flanges, reposition them to one of the many 20v exhaust flanges available.
      Pretty damn cost effective and will get the job done.

      My worry with that idea is are the primaries large enough - I believe the 20v ports are larger than the 16v primaries in that TT header

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-03-2006 04:05 PM #74
      On the SS header, the primaries are actually slightly bigger then the ports on my AEB head so no worries there. iirc (1.5" vs ~1 3/8 as measured). I will either match them or leave the head slightly smaller to help prevent reversion. (not really sure about this yet).

      As far as the spacing, the outers are pretty close and the inners are off by a few mm, but nothing that can't be corrected.

      I will try and get some pics with the flange up to the header so you can see the offsets.

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      05-03-2006 04:19 PM #75
      Quote, originally posted by sdezego »
      On the SS header, the primaries are actually slightly bigger then the ports on my AEB head so no worries there. iirc (1.5" vs ~1 3/8 as measured). I will either match them or leave the head slightly smaller to help prevent reversion. (not really sure about this yet).

      As far as the spacing, the outers are pretty close and the inners are off by a few mm, but nothing that can't be corrected.

      I will try and get some pics with the flange up to the header so you can see the offsets.

      Shawn

      My head is an AEB as well - I hadn't measured up yet - but this info is muchly appreciated, definitely will save me some time.

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-03-2006 04:25 PM #76
      I will hook up some pics tonight. I need to post them on the G60 forums 20v thread anyway.

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      05-03-2006 10:02 PM #77
      Quote, originally posted by sdezego »
      I will hook up some pics tonight. I need to post them on the G60 forums 20v thread anyway.

      Shawn

      Here you go. The information I posted above was indeed accurate. Rather than repost everything here again, here is a link to my post in the G60 Forum's 20v thread.

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...ge=22

      Hope this helps.

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      05-04-2006 11:25 AM #78
      Quote, originally posted by WolfGTI »
      Let's see - chipped 1.8T sheep or a motor that is in the same league with a super car motors in terms of hp/liter. I'll take my route, turbos will always be faster but less satisfying to drive. It takes so little challenge to make power with a 1.8T that why bother, I don't like big turbo 1.8T's powerband / delivery so instead I'll challenge myself and build an all motor car.

      I'll buy that for a dollar...my rocco all motor car was balls ass fast. with a stock motor in it, just about, maybe 130-140 hp. while my jetta with a turbo and 10# boost in it feels much slower, and only ran .5 seconds faster in the 1/4. I can chirp 2nd, and 3rd in my rocco, but some times only 2nd in my jetta.


      Modified by WolfGTI at 11:30 AM 5-4-2006


    9. 05-04-2006 02:00 PM #79
      Quote, originally posted by blinkinbanana »
      I'll buy that for a dollar...my rocco all motor car was balls ass fast.

      Power to weight ratio is your friend


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      Power to weight ratio is your friend

      true dat.

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      05-11-2006 10:17 PM #81
      Eurospec 2.0 forged 4340 race crank - lightened, balanced, knife edged, drilled journals. Camera battery was low - hence the pics came out rather poorly. The crank looks greasy - it has some sort of protective goo coating it - not nice and shiny to the touch like the pistons and rods were.




      Modified by WolfGTI at 11:49 AM 9-28-2006

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-11-2006 10:30 PM #82
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    13. 05-11-2006 11:07 PM #83
      Nice build. Couple of Q's. What does the head flow stock and after your done with the headwork how many cfm's are you looking at gainin? 2nd- what E.t's and mph are you looking forward too? 3rd- why not just build ( or get a built) a header for YOUR application? Headers can make or break the build, the airflow should have no bottle necks. * from a honda guy point of veiw lol*

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      05-11-2006 11:18 PM #84
      Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »
      Nice build. Couple of Q's. What does the head flow stock and after your done with the headwork how many cfm's are you looking at gainin? 2nd- what E.t's and mph are you looking forward too? 3rd- why not just build ( or get a built) a header for YOUR application? Headers can make or break the build, the airflow should have no bottle necks. * from a honda guy point of veiw lol*

      1 - Stock AEB head flows in the neighbourhood of 220~225cfm (not going wild on the head as this is a daily driver).

      3 - I intend to have a custom header 4 into 1 with 1.75 inch primaries merging into a 2.5inch collector.

      4 - As far as ET's and mph - I am not building a drag car per se. The car is more of a highway pull / circuit /road course car. That being said I would hope for mid 14's at the minimum with traps into the 90's, however this is guesswork on my part. I am just going off what my stock 8v bottom end with a worked 8v head is doing presently.

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    15. 05-11-2006 11:21 PM #85
      Quote, originally posted by WolfGTI »

      1 - Stock AEB head flows in the neighbourhood of 220~225cfm (not going wild on the head as this is a daily driver).

      3 - I intend to have a custom header 4 into 1 with 1.75 inch primaries merging into a 2.5inch collector.

      4 - As far as ET's and mph - I am not building a drag car per se. The car is more of a highway pull / circuit /road course car. That being said I would hope for mid 14's at the minimum with traps into the 90's, however this is guesswork on my part. I am just going off what my stock 8v bottom end with a worked 8v head is doing presently.

      Cool beans. I just started getting into Vdubs, thanks to one of my boyz. But imo i think the head should be reworked to acheive great power across the whole powerband. What cfm's do the worked 8valve heads flow?

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      05-11-2006 11:24 PM #86
      Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »
      Cool beans. I just started getting into Vdubs, thanks to one of my boyz. But imo i think the head should be reworked to acheive great power across the whole powerband. What cfm's do the worked 8valve heads flow?

      The head will be worked - but not probably to the fullest extent it can be as that would spoil the low end considerably. My 8v head flows 178cfm @ 28inches of water I forget the lift figure.

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    17. 05-11-2006 11:26 PM #87
      O ok. Well hopefully in the near future i can start practicing porting on the 8valve heads and see what i can get. IMO Power is in the head. Good luck with your project looks like your taking no short cuts.

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      05-11-2006 11:30 PM #88
      Quote, originally posted by Professor15 »
      O ok. Well hopefully in the near future i can start practicing porting on the 8valve heads and see what i can get. IMO Power is in the head. Good luck with your project looks like your taking no short cuts.

      Thank you, I am taking my time getting everything together, this is the more costly route, but I believe the motor with the components I have chosen will have the longevity and integrity I want as opposed to a 'grenade' special. I agree much of the power is in the head. I'm going to dyno my 8v on Sat and see what it has in it. Considering the bottom end is completely stock and the head and breathing is what was focused upon. The 20v build is more of a complete all round build, the 8v was the test bed to see what gains the ITB's and proper breathing can do on a fairly asthmatic head in stock form.

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    19. 05-12-2006 08:18 AM #89
      Make sure you get your sheets scanned. I'm curious to see them with the ITBs.

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      05-14-2006 08:41 PM #90
      this thread is Loscavio approved

    21. 05-15-2006 04:18 AM #91
      this makes me want to do an all motor set up badly.

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      05-15-2006 09:24 AM #92
      Here's the dyno sheets -
      This one is my better runs @ NGP without the ITB's.
      8v ABA2.0L with a ported head, Supersprint headers, TT276 cam, stock bottom end - (90,000 miles)

      This is the same motor 2 years later with the ITB's. (148,000miles)




      Modified by WolfGTI at 3:24 PM 12-19-2006

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    23. 05-15-2006 09:39 AM #93
      well the torque finaly stopped dropping off so violenty with the ITB's installed

      what sort of engine management are you running?


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      05-15-2006 09:42 AM #94
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      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    25. 05-15-2006 06:07 PM #95
      stuff looks good Mendra!! Definitly goin in the right direction! cant wait to hear them on the road.

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      05-15-2006 07:02 PM #96
      Those A/F plots on the latter need some work... lol

      j/k Nice going

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    27. 05-15-2006 08:14 PM #97
      well now, this whole thread just encouraged me to get my N/A 2.0 going !!!

      Good work, and keep it up.


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      05-15-2006 10:36 PM #98
      Some info - with regards to my con rod set

      I weighed the rods on a postal scale.
      3 of the rods weighed 564 grams and one weighed 563 grams - How's that for quality control and balance.


      Modified by WolfGTI at 11:50 AM 9-28-2006

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    29. 05-16-2006 03:50 AM #99
      omg i feel really stupid i checked wolf gti sig and saw his itb setup and i was like oh snap i remeber when i was reading that forum. yeah his car is on the usrt website under itbs. i love that vid too

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      06-15-2006 02:18 PM #100
      Update: - Block is finished at the machine shop. Assembly to begin in the coming week. I'll post pics of the assembly process.
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    31. 06-15-2006 02:25 PM #101
      Bump following and waiting....

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      06-18-2006 01:11 AM #102
      Wow...even the paint on the car looks incredible. This makes me envious of those who are mechanically inclined. Great looking car...great project

    33. 06-18-2006 10:04 PM #103
      ever thought of selling some pistons like that as beer coasters?

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      06-23-2006 10:54 AM #104
      Quote, originally posted by Maddave10 »
      Wow...even the paint on the car looks incredible. This makes me envious of those who are mechanically inclined. Great looking car...great project

      Thanks for the compliments. My paint isn't super but its not bad for a car with 155k on it.

      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    35. 06-23-2006 02:37 PM #105
      so what's going on with the build?

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