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    Thread: Project ABE (AEB+ABA) - 110 HP/L

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      05-02-2006 05:13 PM #51
      If 1.8T's are sheep and built N/A 20/20's are challenging, then what is my new project?
      For some reason the word "stupid" keeps ringing a bell. Yeah, that sound about right... stupid.

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      05-02-2006 06:18 PM #52
      Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »
      If 1.8T's are sheep and built N/A 20/20's are challenging, then what is my new project?
      For some reason the word "stupid" keeps ringing a bell. Yeah, that sound about right... stupid.

      No - I think insane would be more appropos.
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    3. 05-02-2006 08:48 PM #53
      Dope.

      keep us updated.

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      05-02-2006 10:10 PM #54
      Nice VW parts and service sign.

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      05-02-2006 10:13 PM #55
      So are you taking a 20v head and making it all NA? I remember seeing mention of a 20v head in the previous thread....
      Just curious.
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      05-02-2006 10:14 PM #56
      Quote, originally posted by Scuba2001 »
      So are you taking a 20v head and making it all NA? I remember seeing mention of a 20v head in the previous thread....
      Just curious.

      Yes that's my goal.
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    7. 05-03-2006 12:13 AM #57
      sounds cool. keep us updated. I wouldnt mind going that route if you can get some good power out of it. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    8. 05-03-2006 12:21 AM #58
      i think that this is a really cool build up.. keep the posts coming [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] sorry that the first post got holed. it is cool to see the ideas in the 2.0 forum...
      what kind of power are you expecting? what rpm limit? i have been thinking about this idea.... or the aba 20vt combo. how do you like the ms&s?... you got your pistons through usrt...correct? i would need new pistons either way and i would like to support them [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] ... . my project is probably a year out or so

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      05-03-2006 12:45 AM #59
      Quote, originally posted by djpj06 »
      i think that this is a really cool build up.. keep the posts coming [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] sorry that the first post got holed. it is cool to see the ideas in the 2.0 forum...
      what kind of power are you expecting? what rpm limit? i have been thinking about this idea.... or the aba 20vt combo. how do you like the ms&s?... you got your pistons through usrt...correct? i would need new pistons either way and i would like to support them [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] ... . my project is probably a year out or so

      Thank you for the comments.
      Powerwise I am looking for 200 crank as a minimum.
      RPM limit - the bottom end will be good to 8500 rpm, the cams are good to 7800 or so.
      The MSnS-E has worked wonderfully for me for almost 1 year daily driven now.
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    10. 05-03-2006 12:52 AM #60
      Well, not quite F1 territory, but that's some pretty high engine speed. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    11. 05-03-2006 05:33 AM #61
      def. a sweet project. Cant wait to see it finished [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      05-03-2006 08:45 AM #62
      Quote, originally posted by ABF Jeff »
      Well, not quite F1 territory, but that's some pretty high engine speed. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      F1 - somehow a car that idles @ 8000 - 9000 rpm and pulls to 19000 wouldn't be well received on the street, that plus I wouldn't be able to afford gas to keep it running.
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-03-2006 11:05 AM #63
      Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »
      For some reason the word "stupid" keeps ringing a bell. Yeah, that sound about right... stupid.

      I have a few 'stupid' heads to practice on if you want em.
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      05-03-2006 12:02 PM #64
      Quote, originally posted by need_a_VR6 »
      ... if you want em.

      I need to run down there soon so I can poke around your good junk, then we can take the ladies out for dinner.
      For topic sake, Mr. Mendra, what are you thinking for the cylinder head? Honestly, for what that head flows in stock form I was just going to get a valve job on the stock intakes and replace the exhaust valves (with ones Joe can get) and call it a day. You really can't give it much more cam to warrant going much further than that for N/A.

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      05-03-2006 12:07 PM #65
      Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »
      I need to run down there soon so I can poke around your good junk, then we can take the ladies out for dinner.
      For topic sake, Mr. Mendra, what are you thinking for the cylinder head? Honestly, for what that head flows in stock form I was just going to get a valve job on the stock intakes and replace the exhaust valves (with ones Joe can get) and call it a day. You really can't give it much more cam to warrant going much further than that for N/A.

      Mr.Billy - There's actually a solid lifter cam set out there but it's not daily driver friendly. Anyways with regards to the head, I am replacing the intake and exhaust valves with lighter SS valves from Supertech (through Joe) and Ti retainers with suitable springs to handle the lift on these cams.
      The head ports will be cleaned up a little to remove casting lines etc and at most gasket matched.


      Modified by WolfGTI at 12:48 PM 5-3-2006
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

    16. 05-03-2006 01:10 PM #66
      i hope you update your facts sheet that you display with your "show car". all these engine mods better get you more points mendra. haha.
      actually its looking good mendra. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      05-03-2006 02:48 PM #67
      Quote, originally posted by WolfGTI »
      Let's see - chipped 1.8T sheep or a motor that is in the same league with a super car motors in terms of hp/liter. I'll take my route, turbos will always be faster but less satisfying to drive. It takes so little challenge to make power with a 1.8T that why bother, I don't like big turbo 1.8T's powerband / delivery so instead I'll challange myself and build an all motor car.

      I have to agree...Some of the most fun, and most impressive cars I've ever driven / dyno'd are all motor cars. Something about an NA motor making 185whp at 9krpm is just magical. (yeah, they've been hondas, but still, you can't hate on the power they can make)
      A 20v 4-cyl making similar power (or even slightly close) would be a true ripper a motor after my own heart....hhehehehehe


      Modified by nate@NGP at 11:51 AM 5-3-2006

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      05-03-2006 02:51 PM #68
      Quote, originally posted by burnt63 »
      i hope you update your facts sheet that you display with your "show car". all these engine mods better get you more points mendra. haha.

      I'm sorry but I lowell'd a little bit at that one.
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      05-03-2006 03:06 PM #69
      Quote, originally posted by GodsChariot337 »
      That's all this car would be good for...showing cuz Im sure he doesn't want to be embarrassed by VR swapped cars.

      The thought had not crossed my mind, but thanks for bringing that into perspective for me.
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-03-2006 03:32 PM #70
      What are you using/going to use for Exhaust? I presume not the AGN (i.e. Euro, N/A Header) and are looking for a long tube full race of sorts?
      Just curious...
      I am building up a 20/20 G60 motor as we speak and ended up buying a Supersprint Mk2 16v Header ($$) and will be mating it to a SS Flange I have. Definitely not plug and play, but for my setup it should be perfect (hopefully).



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      05-03-2006 03:34 PM #71
      Quote, originally posted by sdezego »
      What are you using/going to use for Exhaust? I presume not the AGN (i.e. Euro, N/A Header)?
      Just curious...
      I am building up a 20/20 G60 motor as we speak and ended up buying a Supersprint Mk2 16v Header ($$) and will be mating it to a SS Flange I have. Definitely not plug and play, but for my setup it should be perfect (hopefully).

      The 16v SS header spaces out between the primaries enough for the 20v head/ flange? That's interesting - I was going to have a stainless 4 into 1 equal length header made for the car.


      Modified by WolfGTI at 3:52 PM 5-3-2006
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-03-2006 03:47 PM #72
      Get a TT 16v header with the slip on collector, remove the 16v flanges, reposition them to one of the many 20v exhaust flanges available.
      Pretty damn cost effective and will get the job done. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

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      05-03-2006 03:51 PM #73
      Quote, originally posted by billyVR6 »
      Get a TT 16v header with the slip on collector, remove the 16v flanges, reposition them to one of the many 20v exhaust flanges available.
      Pretty damn cost effective and will get the job done. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

      My worry with that idea is are the primaries large enough - I believe the 20v ports are larger than the 16v primaries in that TT header
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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      05-03-2006 04:05 PM #74
      On the SS header, the primaries are actually slightly bigger then the ports on my AEB head so no worries there. iirc (1.5" vs ~1 3/8 as measured). I will either match them or leave the head slightly smaller to help prevent reversion. (not really sure about this yet).
      As far as the spacing, the outers are pretty close and the inners are off by a few mm, but nothing that can't be corrected.
      I will try and get some pics with the flange up to the header so you can see the offsets.
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      05-03-2006 04:19 PM #75
      Quote, originally posted by sdezego »
      On the SS header, the primaries are actually slightly bigger then the ports on my AEB head so no worries there. iirc (1.5" vs ~1 3/8 as measured). I will either match them or leave the head slightly smaller to help prevent reversion. (not really sure about this yet).
      As far as the spacing, the outers are pretty close and the inners are off by a few mm, but nothing that can't be corrected.
      I will try and get some pics with the flange up to the header so you can see the offsets.
      Shawn

      My head is an AEB as well - I hadn't measured up yet - but this info is muchly appreciated, definitely will save me some time.
      R.I.P Barbaro
      I'm all for a clean car, and lowering for performance reasons, decent wheels, etc... but this "stance" crap sucks.
      Quote Originally Posted by 302W View Post
      lol wut? You can have the baddest carbon brakes straight of an Enzo, it doesn't mean jack **** when your contact patch is 1/3 the size it would otherwise be, and partially the sidewall

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