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    Thread: Volvo S60R - Hit or Miss?

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      06-01-2006 10:50 AM #26
      Unlike the people who have responded here, I own a V70R.
      Likes:
      --Seats (best seats ever, anywhere, anytime)
      --Power is impressive, turbo hooliganism
      -- Hauling capacity
      -- Q-ship
      -- looks
      -- stereo system is fantastic
      -- blue chrono dials
      -- comfortable
      -- ability to modify suspension settings
      -- AWD for winter fun
      -- loaded with all the luxury trimmings
      -- definitely feels, looks and smells like a Swedish car
      -- safety ratings are great
      -- car feels like a brick, substantial, doors are pleasingly chunky
      -- nice 6-speed manual shifter
      Dislikes:
      -- too big and heavy for real fun in the twisties
      -- steering lacks feel, overboosted
      -- turning radius wider than many full size SUV's, makes for difficult parking in most urban parking lots and garages
      -- suspension feels wrong (jiggly damping picks up every bump in the road but floaty suspension in "comfort" mode, search swedespeed for "sidehop" or "sidestep" problem)
      -- common problem is a retaining bracket under the exhaust hangs low and can get bent upwards on a speedbump, forcing the exhaust into the driveshaft. = expen$ive repair.
      -- bi-xenon headlights are embarrassingly bad especially on high beam, worse than many halogens
      -- torque listing of 295 lb-ft at 1950 rpm is optimistic; full engine torque doesn't feel like it cuts in until 2500 and up; Haldex AWD plus turbo magnifies turbo lag as the AWD system causes it to bog a little bit.
      The V70R is a great "total package" -- speed, hauling, comfort, luxury, looks. There are few if any real competitors to the V70R at its price point (S4 Avant is smaller and much pricier; Dodge Magnum SRT-8 is interesting but lacks the hauling capacity; Legacy GT wagon is a cheaper alternative but nowadays you can't get it in a stick; SUV's might factor into it but if you don't like SUV's, then there's not much there).
      BUT, an S60R seems like a good value only on heavy discount, as there are dozens more viable competitors that could present you with similar performance and attractiveness. But if you must have AWD, you don't have a lot of choice.
      And those seats. Sweet jesus, they are like the Throne's of God Himself.
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      06-01-2006 11:19 AM #27
      Quote, originally posted by HarryHood »
      Likes:
      --Seats (best seats ever, anywhere, anytime)

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    3. 06-01-2006 12:07 PM #28
      HarryHood, have you adjusted up your Xenons?

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      06-01-2006 12:10 PM #29
      Very nice looking but not stealthy. I've seen them on the streets and usually comes in bold colors.

    5. 06-01-2006 12:36 PM #30
      The styling looks dated.

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      06-01-2006 12:53 PM #31
      I love them. I would make mine a V70R though...I love the fast wagons! [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      06-01-2006 01:09 PM #32
      My buddy has a regular S60, and it's a very nice car. Comfy and stylish inside, if a bit tight, but it is dead quiet (almost too quiet). The 6 speed is a good box, nice engagements and the clutch isn't too bad. And the 5 cylinder sounds awesome, when you can hear it.
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      06-01-2006 01:11 PM #33
      i just bought a 2000 V70 GLT i love it. i love the dual AC and its one of the coldest blowing AC systems ive ever had. Handling isnt great, but i plan on getting the IPD sway bars to fix that.
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      06-01-2006 02:31 PM #34
      Quote, originally posted by mojojojo.ca »
      HarryHood, have you adjusted up your Xenons?

      Yup, by 1 and a quarter turns. It's an improvement, but they are still embarrassing for xenons.
      Quote, originally posted by Vision33r »
      Very nice looking but not stealthy. I've seen them on the streets and usually comes in bold colors.

      The cars come in mostly bland colors -- black, gray, silver, dark blue. The bolder colors include sonic blue, red and (until this year) flash green.
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      06-01-2006 02:50 PM #35
      Quote, originally posted by mojojojo.ca »
      Yes, but it costs tons less. You can also look at the the 6MT, with it's 298hp and Brembo's.
      I've always wanted a used R, but soon, a new G35x (with the same amount of power, etc...) will cost the same!

      I think it's a close call. There is a lot to like about the R- I think it's Volvo's best looking car to date- Gotta love all of the features like Brembos, 6-speed option. You have to admit, it's a pretty cool car.
      It's also a bit pricey.
      You can't really mod the X- In terms of suspension, nobody even makes an aftermarket shock for the G35x-
      The G35x is more like $32-35k new, if you take your time.
      The R even with rebates is considerably more expensive.
      That was the deciding factor for me actually. Volvo has to have the most comfortable seats too.
      Things I don't like about the R?
      I think 300hp is a bit on the optimistic side, or maybe it's just that the "flat" torque curve doesn't really tell the whole story. A chip would cure that I'm sure.
      Dynamically, decent, similar to other Volvos (except the S) which is to say the steering is a bit more numb than average.
      If you could find a fully loaded one for under $40 new, I'd say you can't go wrong. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] Actually that would be a sweet deal.
      And you don't see them everyday

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      06-01-2006 07:14 PM #36
      The Bi-Xenons have heavy restrictions here in the states. The low beams are great but the Highs suck!!! The only alternative is to swap them out for Euro Bi-Xenons. See swedespeed.com for the swap they just did it last month on their project V-70R.
      The flash green was only available for one year with only 7 of them coming to the states!!!
      We had one in stock, here at the dealership!!!! Awesome Color [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]
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      06-01-2006 07:21 PM #37
      Yes, I have driven several 6spd. R's They all feel a little funny at first. It is something you get used to. All of the Volvo clutches feel that way. I found that it helps to drive without shoes! I personally could feel the clutch a lot better.
      Harryhood- i read that you that you own a V-70R and that the 6 spd manual is great, but is yours a manual. You said the torque is not all there at 1950rpms and comes in at approx 2500rpms. To the best of my knowledge the Autos are limited in 1st and 2nd gear to promote longevity.



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      06-01-2006 07:27 PM #38
      I really like it, but of course the fast Audi, Mercedes, and BMW are "better" cars (they also cost a lot more)... but the Volvo is definitely designed to be able to live with and in all weather, it's also NOT German, which is sometimes a nice thing - more comfortable ride, comforting interior layout that isn't so cold and dark, generally a softer alternative.
      THe S60R is a good car, but it's the V70R that really does it for me... The Audi S4 Avant is useless as a wagon, way too damn small for rear passengers, and luggage space isn't nearly as good... the Mercedes E-Class AMG wagon is huge like the Volvo, but it costs a whole lot more (but it does have way more power) and will probably break down more often,
      I really like Volvo's in general, the R cars will probably always have my approval as sweet cars.
      Quote, originally posted by spicygimp »
      Yes, I have driven several 6spd. R's They all feel a little funny at first. It is something you get used to. All of the Volvo clutches feel that way. I found that it helps to drive without shoes! I personally could feel the clutch a lot better.

      I kind of like Volvo clutches... you're right at home if you've owned a VW... I found the engagement point to be very similar, but the Volvo manual transmission drivetrains are so damn smooth and easy to launch - loved the fact that their engines don't over rev at the tip of the gas either, making it that much easier... I test drove a lot of cars between last summer and this past winter, and I found the Volvo manual transmission drivetrains to be the best for smoothness and ease of launching the car (most Japanese cars had engines that would rev way too high at the tip of the throttle, I don't like that).

      Quote, originally posted by MEIN_VW »
      My local Volvo dealer said the S60/V70 would be redesigned for the 2008 model year but I don't know how official that information is.

      You heard right, the cars will be announced in 2007 as 2008 models, following the launch of the Volvo S80 flagship... there will also be a Volvo C30 hatchback to compete with the VW GTI, Audi A3, Mini Cooper S etc.


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      06-01-2006 08:37 PM #39
      Quote, originally posted by lip »
      And you don't see them everyday

      Probably my favorite "feature" of the R.
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    16. 06-01-2006 08:59 PM #42
      Quote, originally posted by MEIN_VW »
      My local Volvo dealer said the S60/V70 would be redesigned for the 2008 model year but I don't know how official that information is.

      I thought the last rumor on the replacement for the S60/V70 was in limbo. The S40 is doing well and the new S80 is close in terms of price, size, and performance (Yes I know the S80 will have a V-8).
      The last thing I read was Volvo's interest to do something different in terms of a different vehicle.
      I could be wrong? Back on topic - I would love a V70R!

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      06-01-2006 09:12 PM #43
      Quote, originally posted by GTiTOM »
      absurd discounts o dq n these right now. there was an ad in the local paper for $10,000 off msrp if you lease. my girl's brother was looking into these and said he found people online ORDERING them and getting almost $15K off sticker. at $45K (with all the options) i'd run away, but if it came down to closer to $30, it becomes an interesting car. he was supposed to go drive one yesterday, but i don't think he made it.

      i dont believe that for a second. in 2003 i sold volvos, and we didnt discound r's a bit. we also did such a good job selling them that we got extra inventory beyond out allotment. you couldnt trade for them with anyone because they were selling theirs too.
      granted, that was 3 years ago, but you cant tell me that in 3 years the cars are selling for new with a 30%, think about that for a second, a 30% discount off sticker volvo always had dealer cash on many of their models but nothing even coming CLOSE to that
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      06-01-2006 09:18 PM #44
      Quote, originally posted by AndrewT »
      has anyone ever driven a 6 speed version of this?
      i test drove one, and the clutch was terrible...was too light, very small engagement zone, and very high. i had to rev the crap out of the car at a full stop to have any semblence of a smooth start. could there have just been something wrong with the one i drove?
      other than that, its a great car. its certainly not as sporting as a S4 or M3, but the engine pulls like a freight train, and it handles quite well for such a big car. i agree with the person above who said it sounds like a vacuum cleaner at full throttle. kinda nasty.
      i'd buy one with an automatic, but that clutch was terrible.

      i've driven a few of them, but it was long enough ago that i barely remember. i remember all volvo clutches being kinda light, the shifter wasnt as bad as the criticism it got in all the rags, and it wasnt the greatest handler but sharper than a t5 at least. i remember boost hitting early and pulling hard all the way (the turbo is actually quite sizeable!)
      i also remember feeling a noticible difference in the suspension settings
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      06-02-2006 12:00 PM #45
      Quote, originally posted by yo vanilla »
      i dont believe that for a second. in 2003 i sold volvos, and we didnt discound r's a bit. we also did such a good job selling them that we got extra inventory beyond out allotment. you couldnt trade for them with anyone because they were selling theirs too.
      granted, that was 3 years ago, but you cant tell me that in 3 years the cars are selling for new with a 30%, think about that for a second, a 30% discount off sticker volvo always had dealer cash on many of their models but nothing even coming CLOSE to that

      Mine was a 2004 model that they sold me for $5k off sticker in August of 2004. I have heard that S60R's get bigger discounts because they tend not to sell as well as the V70R's. I think $10k might be exaggerated, but 6 or 7k is not unheard of late in the model year.
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    20. 06-02-2006 01:44 PM #46
      I own an '04 V70R. I'd say HIT for the most part.
      Mine is 6-spd manual, and coming out of a '95 Saab 900 the clutch isn't bad at all!
      The worst features are the turning radius and the 4C suspension, in that order. The best feature is stepping on the gas above 3K RPM, in any gear.
      I love the Sonic Blue color that became available for 2006, I'd have gotten it if available in 2004. Mine is TiGray, shown below:


      sorry for the odd photos, I'm posting from work.

      Modified by kr900 at 10:49 AM 6-2-2006


      Modified by kr900 at 10:52 AM 6-2-2006

    21. 06-02-2006 01:59 PM #47

      Quote, originally posted by HarryHood »
      Unlike the people who have responded here, I own a V70R.
      Likes:
      --Seats (best seats ever, anywhere, anytime)
      --Power is impressive, turbo hooliganism
      -- Hauling capacity
      -- Q-ship
      -- looks
      -- stereo system is fantastic
      -- blue chrono dials
      -- comfortable
      -- ability to modify suspension settings
      -- AWD for winter fun
      -- loaded with all the luxury trimmings
      -- definitely feels, looks and smells like a Swedish car
      -- safety ratings are great
      -- car feels like a brick, substantial, doors are pleasingly chunky
      -- nice 6-speed manual shifter
      Dislikes:
      -- too big and heavy for real fun in the twisties
      -- steering lacks feel, overboosted
      -- turning radius wider than many full size SUV's, makes for difficult parking in most urban parking lots and garages
      -- suspension feels wrong (jiggly damping picks up every bump in the road but floaty suspension in "comfort" mode, search swedespeed for "sidehop" or "sidestep" problem)
      -- common problem is a retaining bracket under the exhaust hangs low and can get bent upwards on a speedbump, forcing the exhaust into the driveshaft. = expen$ive repair.
      -- bi-xenon headlights are embarrassingly bad especially on high beam, worse than many halogens
      -- torque listing of 295 lb-ft at 1950 rpm is optimistic; full engine torque doesn't feel like it cuts in until 2500 and up; Haldex AWD plus turbo magnifies turbo lag as the AWD system causes it to bog a little bit.
      The V70R is a great "total package" -- speed, hauling, comfort, luxury, looks. There are few if any real competitors to the V70R at its price point (S4 Avant is smaller and much pricier; Dodge Magnum SRT-8 is interesting but lacks the hauling capacity; Legacy GT wagon is a cheaper alternative but nowadays you can't get it in a stick; SUV's might factor into it but if you don't like SUV's, then there's not much there).

      I agree with HarryHood, as we seem to own identical twin V70Rs. He missed out on the total stealth-speed factor of the car. The highs and lows pointed out all are true...

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      06-03-2006 09:45 AM #48
      Quote, originally posted by HarryHood »
      Mine was a 2004 model that they sold me for $5k off sticker in August of 2004. I have heard that S60R's get bigger discounts because they tend not to sell as well as the V70R's. I think $10k might be exaggerated, but 6 or 7k is not unheard of late in the model year.

      $5K off at the end of the model year is entirely believeable; i remember volvo having $5K dealer cash on certain models at that time of year, for instance (and actually august is 5 months after volvo's new model year, new year cars always came in around april)
      $7K is a stretch, but a possibility if there is $5K dealer cash and they discount the gross (they have iirc $2000ish gross in them). $10K is not believeable, and $15K is most certainly not.
      also, unless things have changed the s60r was always the better volume selelr, as the v70r had about 1/3 the production.
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      06-03-2006 10:53 AM #49
      Quote, originally posted by yo vanilla »
      $10K is not believeable, and $15K is most certainly not.

      i guess i can't read then all i'm saying is that last week's boston globe had an ad that said "Volvo S60R Leases: $10,000 off MSRP" (not verbatim). i'll see if i can dig up the paper and take a pic for you. i don't know the details, nor the "catches", but that's what the advertisement read. either way, still a hefty discount.
      EDIT:
      just peaked around edmunds car pricing forums. searched for "s60r". more than one person is talking about getting them for more than $10,000 under INVOICE as well. first return was this thread:
      page 7: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.c...d0/60
      "Replying to: qbrozen (May 09, 2006 10:22 am)
      There is $10,500 in lease cash on the R starting today.
      Makes a big difference in the lease program. "
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      http://townhall-talk.edmunds.c...d0/89
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      MSRP: $45,800
      Sale Price: $31,000

      Residual: 43%, $19,694
      Money Fctr: .00202 = 3.95%
      Down Pymt: $0, just inceptions of $1000
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      Modified by GTiTOM at 10:07 AM 6-3-2006

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      06-03-2006 11:28 AM #50
      i would like to see the ad, if you dont mind
      there is a difference in "lease cash" vs actual discounts though. you can make a lease number look any way you want it to
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