OFFICIAL: MMA thread (all things mma, pride, ufc) - NO SPOILERS!!

[golfzex]

Looks like frankie is makin the drop to 145. no immediate title fight. wonder if there gonna do kz and edgar for #1 condender

either way Frankie will loose badly to Aldo.

[BlckBadged_SwissChee]

either way Frankie will loose badly to Aldo.

What if he tights greatly to him though :p

[Minker17]

What are these rumors I'm hearing about Hendo being out?

[atx-g60]

i much perfer the rumors of gsp v silva

[golfzex]

What are these rumors I'm hearing about Hendo being out?

Not true

[golfzex]

i much perfer the rumors of gsp v silva

True

[-teknien-]

Following last weeks SF card how do you guys feel about the front kicks to the knees... The commentators were calling for an illegal kick, many articles I've read claimed the kick was illegal too!

Watch ander Anderson Silva fight and he kicks the front of the knees all the time.

Are they illegal or not? What do you think they should be?

Personally I dont think they should be allowed. Any strike can be a potential game ender but the amount of damage you can afflict by kicking the knees can be bad.

[atx-g60]

i dont want to be kicked anywhere. but yes i would agree this should be an illegal strike.

[golfzex]

Ok maybe Dan is out, Dana is making an announcement today.

[Big M]

Frankly, i wonder why it's not done more, if it's legal. It can be a game breaker.

[Minker17]

Not true

Well something has happened. Conference call in 5 minutes and Zeus from ME says he has gotten calls from people saying UFC Execs are at Greg Jackson's camp.

**EDIT** THE EVENT HAS BEEN CANCELLED!

Fight offered to Chael. He accepted. Jones declined the fight!

[Bubba 2.0 GLS]

Jones may have more pressing issues if he doesn't take the Machida fight. I can't believe Jones killed an entire card by ducking someone who hasn't fought at 205 in years and is doing it on 8 day notice

[golfzex]

Jones may have more pressing issues if he doesn't take the Machida fight. I can't believe Jones killed an entire card by ducking someone who hasn't fought at 205 in years and is doing it on 8 day notice

Jones is scared, period.

You cant talk as much **** as he does and have the terrible attitude he does and turn down a fight.




http://www.cagepotato.com/breaking-u...ly-pissed-off/

[golfzex]

Well something has happened. Conference call in 5 minutes and Zeus from ME says he has gotten calls from people saying UFC Execs are at Greg Jackson's camp.

**EDIT** THE EVENT HAS BEEN CANCELLED!

Fight offered to Chael. He accepted. Jones declined the fight!

Ok maybe Dan is out, Dana is making an announcement today.

Yeah I already corrected myself

[atx-g60]

what a joke. he should crush chael. oh well hoping machida takes the rematch 9/22

[Bauzen]

Shocked right now. JBJ should be stripped of his belt IMO.

He's in shape, 8 days out from a fight.
They replace the fighter with a smaller dude with a similar skillset, but who hasn't been training.

And JBJ ducks. Insane.

[Big M]

I'd expect this from Greg Jackson.
I never saw this coming from Bones.

He just lost me as a fan.

[Bains]

I don't get it, as a champion why would you ever take a filler fight? why is everyone so upset? if manny and mayweather were gonna fight in boxing and one dropped out why would either of them just fight a random from a lower weight class?

it makes no sense for jon jones to fight sonnen, for once the UFC cancelled a card instead of putting a ****ty card on (cough calgary cough).

edit - also the card could have gone on without jon jones/henderson, why should jones take all the blame? on top of that you realize how bad it looks that the president of the company (and apparently owners) are **** talking jon jones? after he signs a deal with nike? how fast do you think nike will be to sign champions in the future.

[golfzex]

Dont use boxing as an example for something in MMA, boxing is running itself into the ground because no one has complete control over the sport.

Dana is the boss, period. You fight who he says, just like I do what my boss says.

Jones talks like he is Gods gift to MMA and then refuses to fight a middleweight who hasnt been training for a fight, he was scared and its painfully obvious.

If your as good as Jones says he is then shut your mouth and fight anyone put in front of you.

[Bains]

Yeah because it makes sense if you have a title you've successfully defended multiple times to defend it against a no body who hasn't proven them-self at 205?

The fact he's fighting Machida who deserves a shot is the best option here, no doubt about it, for the fans and for contenders to see that just because someone gets injured doesn't give a random guy at 205 a title shot.

I don't know, I believe people are more angry about the whole card being cancelled and no one being paid. Well guess what Dana has the ability to pay those guys still, but he won't. Because he's such a nice guy you know and Jon Jones is the Devil

Jon Jones has more at stake than Chael Sonnen has ever had in his career. The guys sponsored by Nike, undefeated, and the champion. Ask GSP how fighting a nobody went for him as a career move

[Big M]

Bains has changed my mind on this. Well done.

[Bubba 2.0 GLS]

JBJ keeps regarding himself as the greatest ever, so why not fight who ever they put in front of him? If you want to keep saying that then back it up. Another thing, I remember him and Chael having a Twitter beef not even a week ago, with JBJ calling Chael a coward and a cheater. Now he has a chance to fight him on 8 days notice where Chael didn't even have a camp and said he has to lose a lot of weight to make it to 205. JBJ has the upperhand regardless of what you may think and still wouldn't take the fight knowing damn well he is the card.

The game plan is the same as it were fighting Hendo minus the H-Bomb. Again what else do you need to train for? I could understand if you were training for a wrestler and they gave him Anderson instead, but they aren't doing that.

Then his camp tries to uproot Machida by saying they will fight Chael at 152 instead. Even though the fight was given to Machida already.

Sounds like a lot of bs coming out of the Jackson camp, and I wouldn't be shocked if Jackson fighters end up with a bullseye on their back from Zuffa.

[leakypipeDCI]

What has Chael done to deserve a title shot? I can't stand that ****ing guy.

This would eventually happen when yo uhave three fights a month. Time for Dana to pony up for the fighters on the undercard.

[Bubba 2.0 GLS]

Wasn't only Chael, Chris Weidman even volunteered, according to his twitter, to fight Bones but said it never made it to Bones because he already declined Chael with the "I won't fight him on short notice" response. So 2 MW jumped at the chance to fight a bigger stronger opponent.

I don't like Chael, do I think he deserves a shot at the belt in a new division, NO, but he has the balls to fight whomever they put in front of him. Bones just ducked Chael after talking **** via twitter, which I read somewhere he deleted. That's some champ right there.

The UFC has to put on more fights now or else fighters will be on the shelf for way to long. That happens when you absorb the WEC and parts of Strikeforce roster. It may look like UFC is running more shows now but in all honesty they have been for a while just under different names. Not every card is going to be stacked but have 1 or 2 main sticking points now till Strikeforce is folded into UFC which should happen in about 3 years.

[Bains]

Machida out and Belfort in according to MiddleEz. Still at UFC 152 Toronto...

This thing is going bananas

[jimntjames]

Team Quest seems awfully shady in this whole event...

It's being reported that Henderson was injured three weeks ago but he doesn't say anything until 8 days from the event? So is it a coincidence that Sonnen starts tweeting insults at Jones 3 weeks ago?

Henderson should have told Dana when it happened to have some contingencies in place...Sonnen and Henderson knew what they were doing.

[-teknien-]

A couple of things to ponder:

1. It was not 100% Jones who "ducked" the fight. He has coaches, a team, management ect. He should not be taking the whole blame.

2. I'm sure zuffa will kick some cash to the other fighters, you know the "under the table" cash that is thriving in this sport.

3. I can guarantee that Jones does not have 100% control of his twitter account.

4. Like Bains said; Why the **** should he HAVE TO except a fight on a really short notice with Chael??

5. As for the blame on JBJ for the cancellation of 151 that is ridiculous. UFC's roster is huge with guys ready to fight. They could have easily put on another spectacular fight to replace JBJ vs. Hendo.

6. I'm not trying to sound like I'm riding JBJ nuts, but people are retarded, there is a bigger picture here. Look at it from all angles then formulate an opinion.

7. "He's scared to fight" Lol. I'm pretty sure 99% of professional combat athletes are not scared to fight, thats why they do it for a living.

[Bubba 2.0 GLS]

From what we were told in the conference call Hendo injured his knee on Saturday, and didnt get a hold of Dana till Monday/Tuesday because of phone number changes. I haven't read any articles with 3 weeks ago the injury occurred.

Jones is a fighter he has the last say on who he fights and who he does not fight. It's his name that goes on the contract not Team Jackson or his manager. The team will always think of the team first fighter second.

Zuffa will no doubt kick some money under the table even though they shuffled those fights to other cards.

Jones should fire the person who handles his Twitter account.

Fighters have taken fights on short notice all the time. Bitchping did it on 8 days notice with Chael. Chris Leben did 2 fights in June July 2010, Fought Simpson and then fought Akiyama on short notice, I think it was 10 day notice. There plenty more out there.

His excuse was he wasn't trained to fight Chael and that its a dangerous fight on short notice. Dangerous to the guy who has a similar skill set to Hendo, is out of shape, with zero camp time and is doing it on 8 days notice. Advantage was all Bones if he really is the P4P best fighter at his weight class.

UFC 151 was a PPV, who could they have fight on it that could have saved the PPV fee? Anderson vs who??? Its the only title out there to justify a PPV at this time. WW is sidelined because Condit wants GSP, HW no one knows who JDS is going to fight is it Cain or is it Ubereem, and LW was just fought. In the smaller weight classes the only person is Aldo but he has a fight card later this year.

Fighters aren't scared to fight, they are scared to lose in a humiliating fashion. For Bones the fear is losing endorsements especially from Nike.

[synthsis]

A couple of things to ponder:

1. It was not 100% Jones who "ducked" the fight. He has coaches, a team, management ect. He should not be taking the whole blame.

Absolutely he takes the blame, it's his name on the poster. Everyone else is merely a consultant to the final decision.

2. I'm sure zuffa will kick some cash to the other fighters, you know the "under the table" cash that is thriving in this sport.

3. I can guarantee that Jones does not have 100% control of his twitter account.

I dunno about that, I don't think fighters are using Twitter account managers like some super famous people. Most of his tweets go in line with his cocky attitude.

4. Like Bains said; Why the **** should he HAVE TO except a fight on a really short notice with Chael??

Champion: Anytime, anyone, anywhere. END OF STORY.

5. As for the blame on JBJ for the cancellation of 151 that is ridiculous. UFC's roster is huge with guys ready to fight. They could have easily put on another spectacular fight to replace JBJ vs. Hendo.

Spectacular? probably not, a filler Main event, maybe, but this all stems back to what we all think: too many events. Lots of fighters are either on medical suspension or hurt in general or are not ready to be a main event because their scheduled fight is too far out to be in top form.

6. I'm not trying to sound like I'm riding JBJ nuts, but people are retarded, there is a bigger picture here. Look at it from all angles then formulate an opinion.

7. "He's scared to fight" Lol. I'm pretty sure 99% of professional combat athletes are not scared to fight, thats why they do it for a living.

see my answer to #4

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[jimntjames]

Daniel Woirin, Henderson's Muay Thai coach, stated how he was injured three weeks ago during training - it's in Fighter's Only Mag online. I can't link it now because I'm at work and the site is blocked but google it.

Henderson was injured defending a takedown 3 weeks ago.

[leakypipeDCI]

http://www.fightersonlymag.com/conte...-was-sustained

Now Sonnen says he's the new champ by forfeit.

Jones should be looking at how Anderson smashed Chael and be licking his chops.

Interesting point about Quest.

[synthsis]

something I tweeted about yesterday but can be elaborated on here:

Is this a prime example for fighters Unionizing or creating a Fighter's Association?

It's been talked about a lot, but what about the guys who were on a $5K/$5K contract for this fight and were depending on that money to cover the cost of their training camp and to pay their day to day bills?

These guys need to know at the end of the day, no matter what happens, they will get at least a portion of their salary guaranteed to them.

[Big M]

What's all this talk about "under the table" money to the little guys?

Isn't the UFC notorious for being cheapasses?

[-teknien-]

I agree. But I also think Zuffa wont let those guys hanging.

[synthsis]

what are the odds Vitor gets hurt training (which he has been known to do) and has to bail on the fight against Jones?