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      11-15-2006 10:11 AM #1
      We're getting there...

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      At the European Media Leaders Summit in London, MGM chief Harry Sloan confirmed that the studio plans to focus on its five core franchises.

      blah blah blah...

      Finally, Sloan confirmed MGM was in talks with Peter Jackson to make two movies based on J.R.R. Tolkein's "The Hobbit" though that is contingent on negotiations with New Line, which owns the right to produce "The Hobbit".

      The first "Hobbit" will be a direct adaptation of "The Hobbit," and the second would be drawn from footnotes and source material connecting "The Hobbit" with "The Lord of the Rings".




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      11-15-2006 10:58 AM #2
      on the Bilbo Baggins movie.

      WTF is "two or three tentpoles?"

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      11-15-2006 11:02 AM #3
      I cut the stuff out of the article that didn't relate to the Hobbit movie
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      11-15-2006 12:34 PM #4
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      five core franchises - James Bond, "The Pink Panther," "Thomas Crown," "Rocky" and "The Hobbit".

      "Core franchises"? I see one franchise, a bad attempt to capitalize on a historic series that will hopefully not have a sequel, a single decent movie that is rumored to have a sequel in the works, another attempt to capitalize on a historic series (reserving judgement on that one), and a one-off 'prequel' to a franchise.

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      11-15-2006 12:52 PM #5
      Yep, MGM is just confirming their ideas suck I guess.

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      11-15-2006 01:29 PM #6
      They hiring??

      Cause I come up with better sh*t than those ideas, when I'm on the can


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      Quote, originally posted by Arsigi »

      "Core franchises"? I see one franchise, a bad attempt to capitalize on a historic series that will hopefully not have a sequel, a single decent movie that is rumored to have a sequel in the works, another attempt to capitalize on a historic series (reserving judgement on that one), and a one-off 'prequel' to a franchise.

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      11-15-2006 03:30 PM #8
      I will be sp psyched if these movies are given the same time and attention to detail as the LOTR trilogy. 3 of my favorite movies EVER, and probably my favorite book series EVER.
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      11-15-2006 03:39 PM #9
      OMG beng comes to save the day and actually talk about the MOVIE and not how much better they could run MGM
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      11-15-2006 03:44 PM #10
      You're right - I didn't even think much about THE MOVIE, sorry.

      For the record, I will be very excited about The Hobbit, and share the sentiment that I hope it is done up to the standards set by the LOTR movies.

      Anyone think Ian Holm will involved as Bilbo? I wouldn't hold my breath, but he would be obviously ideal for the role.

      Edit: - nevermind that - I didn't realize he is now 75 years old!

      I don't really understand the 'two movie' approach, though.

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      11-15-2006 03:52 PM #11
      They did principle filming for LOTR in 2000 when Holm was 69. He'd be 77 or so when they film the Hobbit movie if it goes smoothly. He looked great as a young Bilbo in the opening sequence of FOTR but can a 77 year old man pull off a 50 year old running doing a crapload of action scenes? I dunno... but he would be the obvious choice IMO.

      I like the idea of 2 movies if it's done well cause hell it's more LOTR for me but I think a lot of "creativity" will need to be done to make a second story just based off of Tolkien's notes of what happened between the 2 books. There's plenty of stuff, just nothing that Tolkien ever pulled together into an actual story.

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      11-16-2006 12:17 AM #12
      Finally, a movie for the best book of the series.
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      11-16-2006 10:13 AM #13
      Quote, originally posted by Big M »
      Finally, a movie for the best book of the series.

      Them's fightin words.

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      11-16-2006 10:52 AM #14
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      Finally, a movie for the best book of the series.

      You mean they're making a movie of The Silmarillion ?

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      11-16-2006 02:18 PM #15
      Quote, originally posted by Karma »
      They did principle filming for LOTR in 2000 when Holm was 69. He'd be 77 or so when they film the Hobbit movie if it goes smoothly. He looked great as a young Bilbo in the opening sequence of FOTR but can a 77 year old man pull off a 50 year old running doing a crapload of action scenes? I dunno... but he would be the obvious choice IMO.

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      Don't forget though a Hobbit at age 50 is actually like a human in their mid to late 30's. The "coming of age for a Hobbit is 33 which would equal a man's coming of age at 18. I love the job that Ian Holm did as Bilbo is LOTR but he isn't the right man for the job unfortunately. I have no idea who I would choose though...
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      Quote, originally posted by Karma »

      I like the idea of 2 movies if it's done well cause hell it's more LOTR for me but I think a lot of "creativity" will need to be done to make a second story just based off of Tolkien's notes of what happened between the 2 books. There's plenty of stuff, just nothing that Tolkien ever pulled together into an actual story.

      [Restart geekdom]I too am a little skeptical about this. While I didn't hate the Arwen-Aragorn love crap that Jackson portrayed in LOTR I would be furious if there was some ridiculous love story portion of the Hobbit. There is however plenty for Jackson to cover in a 2nd movie. It's just how it could be covered that generates some concern for me. Over all though, I am very excited![/Re-end geekdom]


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      11-16-2006 03:51 PM #16
      I can't wait.

      I have complete faith that Jackson will dedicate just as much effort to these movies as he did the trilogy. If anything the experience that everyone gained in working on the trilogy will only make these movies all the better.

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      11-16-2006 05:04 PM #17
      Quote, originally posted by beng »

      Them's fightin words.

      I love the Lord of the Rings as a whole but in my opinion the Hobbit is the greatest book ever written.

      BTW- I assume you've all heard about the new Tolkien book that is due out in 2007 right?


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      11-16-2006 05:07 PM #18
      I never read The Silmarillion so not sure if I will pick this up until I do.

      I never really cared for the idea of his son piecing together his father's old stuff into a story which is what this is. I mean it's based off of his notes but it just isn't written by the author at the end of the day.

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      11-16-2006 05:09 PM #19
      Here is a snippet from an interview Jackson did with AICN last month that I wasn't aware of.

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      We think the two film idea is really smart. One of the problems with The Hobbit is that it is a fairly simple kids story, and doesn't really feel like The Lord of the Rings. Tonally I mean. It's always may be a little worried, but with two films that kinda gets easier. It allows for more complexity. At that implied stuff with Gandalf and the White Council and the return of Sauron could be fully explored.
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      11-16-2006 05:37 PM #20
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      I never read The Silmarillion so not sure if I will pick this up until I do.

      While the Silmarillion can be a tough read the 1st time through one can still really appreciate the brilliance behind it. It certainly doesn't have the standard flow that the Hobbit has it has so much sheer information it's astonishing. To just think about how much thought Tolkien put into his world is just awesome.

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      I never really cared for the idea of his son piecing together his father's old stuff into a story which is what this is. I mean it's based off of his notes but it just isn't written by the author at the end of the day.

      Don't forget though, Tolkien wrote the Hobbit to entertain his children initially. I've heard that Tolkien would tell his sons all kinds of stories about Middle Earth that he never had the chance to write down. Based on that I'm fine with Christopher compiling his father's notes. It certainly won't be the equal of the Lord of the Rings but I bet I will be still worth picking up if you're into Middle Earth.


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      11-16-2006 09:22 PM #21
      The Silmarillion would never work as a movie, no lead charecters, too many charecters, and just way too much info.
      Who ever even tries to write a screen play based on that book should get the Oscar on effort alone.

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      11-16-2006 09:58 PM #22
      Quote, originally posted by Shere Khan »
      The Silmarillion would never work as a movie, no lead charecters, too many charecters, and just way too much info.
      Who ever even tries to write a screen play based on that book should get the Oscar on effort alone.

      The Silmarillion is a history book. It isn't really meant to be a long single narrative like LOTR or The Hobbit. Although, if someone were to make a TV series of the book it might work.

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      11-20-2006 10:11 AM #23
      And that is the end of that. I now have zero hope for anything these ****ing idiots try to push out.

      http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/061120l.php

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      Posted: Monday November 20th 2006 1:07am
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      It doesn't get much more official than this folks. In a lengthy letter to The One Ring.Net, "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy helmer Peter Jackson confirmed will not be involved in the making of the series 'prequel' "The Hobbit".

      For sometime a cloud over Jackson's involvement has been swirling due to an unresolved lawsuit between Jackson and New Line over incomes on "The Fellowship of the Ring". Until the issue was settled there wasn't expected to be any involvement on Jackson's part.

      Now, producer Mark Ordesky called Jackson's manager and "told him that New Line would no longer be requiring our services on the Hobbit and the LOTR 'prequel'. This was a courtesy call to let us know that the studio was now actively looking to hire another filmmaker for both projects".

      The reason for this? According to the letter "Ordesky said that New Line has a limited time option on the film rights they have obtained from Saul Zaentz, and because we won't discuss making the movies until the lawsuit is resolved, the studio is going to have to hire another director".

      Gentlemen, you had my curiosity. But now you have my attention.

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      11-20-2006 10:19 AM #24
      that is just terrible terrible news. its funny how these people can squabble over money when there is so much to be had.

      the prequels are destined to suck...

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      11-20-2006 10:22 AM #26
      This is AMAZINGLY stupid on New Line's part. The uglyness is in the details...

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      Xoanon @ 10:32 pm EST

      Moments ago we received this email from Peter Jackson and his crew down in New Zealand, take a look...

      Dear One Ringers,

      As you know, there's been a lot of speculation about The Hobbit. We are often asked about when or if this film will ever be made. We have always responded that we would be very interested in making the film - if it were offered to us to make.

      You may also be aware that Wingnut Films has bought a lawsuit against New Line, which resulted from an audit we undertook on part of the income of The Fellowship of the Ring. Our attitude with the lawsuit has always been that since it's largely based on differences of opinion about certain accounting practices, we would like an independent body - whether it be a judge, a jury, or a mediator, to look at the issues and make an unbiased ruling. We are happy to accept whatever that ruling is. In our minds, it's not much more complex than that and that's exactly why film contracts include right-to-audit clauses.

      However, we have always said that we do not want to discuss The Hobbit with New Line until the lawsuit over New Line's accounting practices is resolved. This is simple common sense - you cannot be in a relationship with a film studio, making a complex, expensive movie and dealing with all the pressures and responsibilities that come with the job, while an unresolved lawsuit exists.

      We have also said that we do not want to tie settlement of the lawsuit to making a film of The Hobbit. In other words, we would have to agree to make The Hobbit as a condition of New Line settling our lawsuit. In our minds this is not the right reason to make a film and if a film of The Hobbit went ahead on this basis, it would be doomed. Deciding to make a movie should come from the heart - it's not a matter of business convenience. When you agree to make a film, you're taking on a massive commitment and you need to be driven by an absolute passion to want to get the story on screen. It's that passion, and passion alone, that gives the movie its imagination and heart. To us it is not a cold-blooded business decision.

      A couple of months ago there was a flurry of Hobbit news in the media. MGM, who own a portion of the film rights in The Hobbit, publicly stated they wanted to make the film with us. It was a little weird at the time because nobody from New Line had ever spoken to us about making a film of The Hobbit and the media had some fun with that. Within a week or two of those stories, our Manager Ken Kamins got a call from the co-president of New Line Cinema, Michael Lynne, who in essence told Ken that the way to settle the lawsuit was to get a commitment from us to make the Hobbit, because "that's how these things are done". Michael Lynne said we would stand to make much more money if we tied the lawsuit and the movie deal together and this may well be true, but it's still the worst reason in the world to agree to make a film.

      Several years ago, Mark Ordesky told us that New Line have rights to make not just The Hobbit but a second "LOTR prequel", covering the events leading up to those depicted in LOTR. Since then, we've always assumed that we would be asked to make The Hobbit and possibly this second film, back to back, as we did the original movies. We assumed that our lawsuit with the studio would come to a natural conclusion and we would then be free to discuss our ideas with the studio, get excited and jump on board. We've assumed that we would possibly get started on development and design next year, whilst filming The Lovely Bones. We even had a meeting planned with MGM executives to talk through our schedule.

      However last week, Mark Ordesky called Ken and told him that New Line would no longer be requiring our services on the Hobbit and the LOTR 'prequel'. This was a courtesy call to let us know that the studio was now actively looking to hire another filmmaker for both projects.

      Ordesky said that New Line has a limited time option on the film rights they have obtained from Saul Zaentz (this has never been conveyed to us before), and because we won't discuss making the movies until the lawsuit is resolved, the studio is going to have to hire another director.

      Given that New Line are committed to this course of action, we felt at the very least, we owed you, the fans, a straightforward account of events as they have unfolded for us.

      We have always had the greatest support from The Ringers and we are very sorry our involvement with The Hobbit has been ended in this way. Our journey into Tolkien's world started with a phone call from Ken Kamins to Harvey Weinstein in Nov 1995 and ended with a phone call from Mark Ordesky to Ken in Nov 2006. It has been a great 11 years.

      This outcome is not what we anticipated or wanted, but neither do we see any positive value in bitterness and rancor. We now have no choice but to let the idea of a film of The Hobbit go and move forward with other projects.

      We send our very best wishes to whomever has the privilege of making The Hobbit and look forward to seeing the film on the big screen.

      Warmest regards to you all, and thanks for your incredible support over the years.

      We got to go there - but not back again ...

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      11-20-2006 10:41 AM #27
      Wow - that sucks. I won't give up all hope, but am definitely not optimistic at this point....
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      11-20-2006 10:49 AM #28
      The only thing that is going to save this is if the fans boycott New Line enough and can convince them what a financial disaster this would be to the franchise (read: EASY money with Jackson, failure without). But I think Jackson has a bad taste in his mouth at this point and it sounds like he's done even if New Line gets their act together.
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      11-20-2006 11:49 AM #30
      This just sucks.... What a colossal screw up on New Line's part. Unreal....

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      But I think Jackson has a bad taste in his mouth at this point and it sounds like he's done even if New Line gets their act together.

      Agreed.


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      11-20-2006 02:47 PM #31
      i hope any actors they try to carry over (ian mckellan, hugo weaving, etc.) all boycott whoever takes over the series
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      11-20-2006 09:18 PM #32
      Talk about dropping the ball. New Line is going to look back on this day with deep regret (no doubt after many of its high ups have been fired).

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      11-20-2006 10:35 PM #33
      Quote, originally posted by Methalius »
      I love the Lord of the Rings as a whole but in my opinion the Hobbit is the greatest book ever written.

      Quote, originally posted by Methalius »
      BTW- I assume you've all heard about the new Tolkien book that is due out in 2007 right?

      No, tell me about it!

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      11-21-2006 11:10 AM #34
      Quote, originally posted by uv23 »
      Talk about dropping the ball. New Line is going to look back on this day with deep regret (no doubt after many of its high ups have been fired).

      Word. LOTR as a whole has made almost 3 BILLION worldwide.... They are seriously going to squabble about what they actually owe PJ and co.? The Hobbit and the other film would certainly keep on par with the other 3. In essence New Line could have made 5 Billion from this franchise. What fools....

      Quote, originally posted by Vamped »

      No, tell me about it!

      It is called The Children of Húrin and it is being released in April of '07. I believe it is going to be kind of like what The Silmarillion was only this is for the history of men. I could be wrong though. Regardless, I'll be getting this...


    35. 11-21-2006 03:46 PM #35
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      This just sucks.... What a colossal screw up on New Line's part. Unreal....

      Agreed.

      I agree. NO ONE could have done the job Jackson did with LOTR series and to turn it over to someone else at this point because you tried to screw the guy out of money is sad. They might as well trash the project altogether.


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